Where oil comes from..

Hello ATS,

This is what I believe and if you believe different please leave your message and let's discuss it in a positive way no need to get emotional about it.

I believe there is no need for our dino friends nor dead trees or even dead plants are required to produce our black gold.



See there we have our nanodiamonds what a coincidence.

By the way, numerous abiotic oil processes have been identified since professor Gold wrote his book:
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There simply is NO "fossil" theory explanation for huge oil deposits below the salt layer.

Talk has turned away from origins of oil to, "How do we get the oil out for as cheap as possible."

Serious oil men don't dispute Abiotic Oil theory.

Tahiti is Chevron’s costliest U.S. project this year:
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"The deepest of the wells feeding the floating Tahiti platform reaches 26,700 feet below the surface of the Gulf, a record for a producing well, the company said."

So, the deepest wells are producing oil from 22,600 feet below the seafloor.


From dead plants and algae?

Not likely -- this is Abiotic Oil from below the salt barrier.

Additional data was not available, such as the temperature of the oil, the pressure, and the thickness of salt layer the oil sits under.





Natural petroleum seeps release equivalent of eight to 80 Exxon Valdez oil spills.

There is an oil spill everyday at Coal Oil Point (COP), the natural seeps off Santa Barbara, California, where 20-25 tons of oil have leaked from the seafloor each day for the last several hundred thousand years.

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Hydrocarbons are a chemical compound and not a biological organism. Since hydrogen is the most abundant chemical in the universe and carbon is the fourth most abundant chemical element in the universe, hydrocarbons are infinite.

"One can, then, conceive the production, by purely mineral means, of all natural hydrocarbons. The intervention of heat, of water, and of alkaline metals -- lastly, the tendency of hydrocarbons to unite together to form the more condensed material -- suffice to account for the formation of these curious compounds. Moreover, this formation will be continuous because the reactions which started it are renewed incessantly." -- Marcellin Berthelot, chemist, 1866

ScienceDaily (July 27, 2009) — The oil and gas that fuels our homes and cars started out as living organisms that died, were compressed, and heated under heavy layers of sediments in the Earth's crust. Scientists have debated for years whether some of these hydrocarbons could also have been created deeper in the Earth and formed without organic matter. Now for the first time, scientists have found that ethane and heavier hydrocarbons can be synthesized under the pressure-temperature conditions of the upper mantle —the layer of Earth under the crust and on top of the core.

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Here a few more qoutes:
"The capital fact to note is that petroleum was born in the depths of the Earth, and it is only there that we must seek its origin." -- Dmitri Mendeleyev, chemist, 1877

"It may be supposed that naphta was produced by the action of water penetrating through the crevices of the strata during the upheaval of mountain chains because water with iron carbide ought to give iron oxide and hydrocarbons." -- Dmitri Mendeleyev, chemist, 1877

"Whether naphta was formed by organic matter is very doubtful, as it is found in the most ancient Silurian [Ordovician] strata which correspond with the epochs of the earth's existence when there was very little organic matter; it could not penetrate from the higher to the lower (more ancient) strata as it floats on water (and water penetrates through all strata)." -- Dmitri Mendeleyev, chemist, 1877

"Do these fuels result always and necessarily in one way from the decomposition of a pre-existing organic substance? Is it thus with the hydrocarbons so frequently observed in volcanic eruptions and emanations, and to which M. Ch. Sainte-Claire Deville has called attention in recent years? Finally, must one assign a parralel origin to carbonaceous matter and to hydrocarbons contained in certain meteorites, and which appear to have an origin foreign to our planet? These are questions on which the opinion of many distinguished geologists does not as yet appear to be fixed." -- Marcellin Berthelot, chemist, 1866

"The hydrogen gas evolved from volcanoes, or from chasms in the earth during earthquakes, is generally combined with sulphur or carbon; it is probably formed by the decompostion of water, when it finds access to subterranean fire." -- Robert Bakewell, geologist, 1813

"Petroleum is the product of a distillation from great depth and issues from the primitive rocks beneath which the forces of all volcanic action lie." -- Alexander Von Humboldt, naturalist, 1804

Will continue on next post.


[edit on 10/5/2009 by PPLwakeUP]

The world-wide reserves of oil and gas were analyzed by Lasaga & Holland (1971) from both the perspectives of BOOP ["fossil" fuel theory] and an abiotic origin of petroleum. By their estimates, the maximum quantity of crude oil that could have been produced by all biological matter on Earth could be represented by a thin 2.5mm film uniformly covering the Earth’s surface. Their estimates of the quantity of crude oil that could be produced abiologically could be represented by a thick 10km (!) layer uniformly covering the surface of the Earth. This difference estimates that abiotic petroleum must be at least 8 million times greater than could ever be expected from BOOP. Thus modern petroleum science predicts, even by the early estimates of Lasaga & Holland, that there exist tremendous quantities of petroleum, sufficient for the needs of humanity for thousands of years.
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When one discusses oil, it is good to understand the "mother" of all oil fields, Ghawar, in Saudi Arabia, the largest oil field in the world.

To give some historical perspective, Ghawar was discovered shortly after WWII in 1948 and began producing in 1951. Even after all that time it still produces more oil than any other field in the world. Ghawar has produced a cube of oil 19 miles high, which is roughly 99,000 feet high (think of those airliners you see at 33,000 feet high and increase that three times, that's a whole heck of a lot of oil).

As described formally, Ghawar is situated over an active fault system (see link below quote):


Ghawar is a large north-trending anticlinal structure, some 250 kilometers long and 30 kilometers wide. It is a drape fold over a basement horst, which grew initially during the Carboniferous Hercynian deformation and was reactivated episodically, particularly during the Late Cretaceous. In detail, the deep structure consists of several en echelon horst blocks that probably formed in response to right-lateral transpression. The bounding faults have throws exceeding 3000 feet at the Silurian level but terminate within the Triassic section.

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What is interesting about the, above, passage is that while Ghawar is described as "over a basement horst...and was reactivated episodically...[and] the deep structure consists of several en echelon horst blocks...", the, above, passage makes no link between this active basement structure and the ultimate source of the oil (perhaps, the conventional view blinds the author to this connection).

Others, however, have made this connection explicit:

The oil fields of Saudi Arabia sit atop one of the most robust tectonic fracture and fault networks in the world. According to one study's author, H. Stewart Egdell, "Basement horst [a block of the earth's crust seperated by faults from the adjacent relatively depressed blocks] that has been periodically reactivated, underlies the world's greatest oil field, Ghawar."

These oil field structures are mostly produced by extensional block faulting in the crystalline Precambrian basement along the predominantly N-S Arabian Trend which constitutes the 'old grain' of Arabia. This type of basement horst, which has been periodically reactivated, underlies the world's largest oil field, Ghawar, and other major oil fields, such as Khurais, Mazalij and Abu Jifan. The basement horst beneath Ghawar Anticline has been suggested by Aramco (1959), from a positive Bouguer gravity anomaly which practically mirrors the field, and more recently, in greater detail, by Barnes (1987).


All Saudi Arabian offshore oil fields, and some near coastal fields, such as Abu Hadriya, Abqaiq and Dammam, are also produced by basement faulting which has cut the saliferous, Upper Precambrian Hormuz Series, triggering deep-seated salt diapirism.

(See, Basement tectonics of Saudi Arabia as related to oil field structures, by H. Stewart Edgell


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Again, note the reference to "reactivated" basement horst.

What does "periodically" or "episodically" reactivated mean?

Here's an analogy: Think of a glass of ice water with regular little ice cubes floating at the top; you jostle or agitate the drink and all the cubes slosh around and then reform a network of interlocking cubes. During the jostling, fluid is able to move up and around the cubes as they collide with each other.

Strike-Slip Fault Zone, Pop-up Block, Uplift, Detached Megablock, Extensional Block Faulting, Thrust Sheets, Fold-over, Lithotectonic, Thrust Fault, Regional Faults vs. Local Faults, Horsting, Fissures, Fractrues.

What do all these words have in common?

These words describe geologic structures on the edges of tectonic plates where collisions and interations take place. These words are the basics in understanding the interaction of the earth's crustal geology.

But they are also words used over and over in the exploration & discovery of petroleum. You just about can't read technical data about areas of potential oil discovery or production without these words.

Turns out, as has been previously commented and linked to, and as the title of one study indicates, the majority of the world's giant oil fields are located above where tectonic plates collide, fault, and fracture. Giant oil fields contain 65% of the world's proven reserves, and it starts off with the biggest oil field of them all, Ghawar.

Apparently, before the recent price collapse, Middle East oil producers were confident that they could raise oil production by 10 million barrels a day (see link below quotes):

Dubai: A massive $300 billion investment in boosting oil production is underway which could see the Arabian Gulf deliver a staggering 10 million barrels of crude a day in added capacity by 2015 more than half from Saudi Arabia alone according to project research firm Proleads.

"Recent analysis of total global oil production and development projects indicate that world crude production capacity from all sources has the potential to rise from 87 million barrels per day to as much as 108 million by 2015," said Emil Rademeyer, director of Proleads.

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Seems the Middle Eastern oil producers don't believe they are running out of oil.

"They'll just sit and wait for the market to go up."

There is so much oil..
Tankers sit tight for price rise

There are currently more oil tankers moored off the south Devon coast than at any time since the 1980s, a local shipping agency has said.

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Conclusion:
Energy has to be expensive otherwise there is no "ching ching" for the elite.

The big three in descending order:

1. Plasma Cosmology because it sets the stage for chemical reactions that form abiotic oil and drives many other of Earth's processes.

2. Expanding Earth theory because abiotic oil formation goes part and parcel with an expanding Earth and an expanding Earth is in turn driven by the electrical plasma currents that flow from the Sun to the Earth and directly from the intra-galactic Birkeland currents, which press upon the Sun's heliopause.

3. Abiotic Oil theory because petroleum is the most productive substance on Earth (besides the mind of Man) and at present drives industrial civilization.

The scientific evidence for all three theories is substantial.

Should science focus its energies on these three theories a new era in scientific advancement could help usher in renewed economic progress and possibly even a new phase in Man's civilization.

Holy camole. This is some read. Star and flag.... even though I didn't finish reading the first post, in fact, you lost me at that first picture, but it's clear you've done your work on this... and your objective is intriguing. If any of this is true, then.... we really might be onto something big here. I hope this makes it because this is some shattering news! We're fighting wars literally for nothing at all!

But, I do still believe there are good reasons to find alternative energy sources, don't you?

Hello Sancrosanct,

Thanks for the S&F.
Here is some explanation for the drawing
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Cool. Thanks.. that picture was pretty but it was confusing... and that article... somewhat cleared it up...

Will do my own research on this, hopefully to add to this topic within the week.

Best of luck.

Oilers disgust me, they seriously are our biggest issue in the U.S. If we found an alternitive source, we'd be ALOT better off.

I believe the Earth produces oil and there isn't a finite supply of it,like the Oil companies and others try to say.

Hello guys,

Just want share with you guys this informative information.




3 years later what do you guys think was I right


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Chevron Makes Angolan Oil Find :
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The recent find, based on a single discovery well, still needs further drilling to be confirmed, Chevron said. Oil discoveries pegged as "significant" by major oil companies such as Chevron often imply crude and gas resources of at least 500 million barrels.

Chevron's latest find marks the latest in a flurry of discoveries off Angola in the past few years that have made it Africa's biggest oil producer, with output of around 1.85 million barrels a day in July.
The oil finds interestingly enough are parallel to the finds off the coast of Brazil.

Remember Kudryavtsev's Rule that when oil is found in a gelogical strata, more oil will be found below that strata in deeper formations all the way down to the bedrock and into the bedrock (see link below on Kudryavtsev, an Abiotic Oil Russian geologist):

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This hypothesis seems to be confirmed by discovery of oil in the Three Forks-Sanish formation. Likely, upon scientific analysis, it will be found that the oil has the same chemical signature as the Bakken oil formation. And opposed to the suggestion in the linked article that it is possible that the oil flowed down to Three Forks-Sanish formation from the Bakken formation, rather, it's likely the oil flowed UP from the Three Forks-Sanish into the Bakken.

Fossil Fuels Without the Fossils? New Research Says It's Possible :
NY TIMES

There is MORE always MORE!

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Lost City Pumps Life-Essential Chemicals At Rates Unseen At Typical Deep Ocean Hydrothermal Vents:
SCIENCE DAILY

last post for today:

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origin of oil



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So, in a nutshell for the non-scientific peeps like me - oil is not a fossil fuel, oil is made by chemical processes within the earth itself? And it renews and isn't running out?

My grandad was a miner and he was certain that coal wasn't from fossilised trees. I thought that was one of his daftest ideas. Of course coal comes from trees, so does oil. Doesn't it?

Hello Wigit,

No oil doesn't come from any fossil, plant based or life based.

Especially if you note that most oil finds are below 10km...there is no fossil found below 3000m...
It all starts with micro diamonds deep in the earth combined with different steps of high/low pressure and many chemical processes as shown on this map.

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Oil supposedly comes from animals (dinosaurs) but I don't believe that notion.

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Thanks for clarifying that.

Now, aren't we all taught that oil comes from fossilised life? I was taught that at school, many moons ago.

Are they still taught that, or now do they know the truth, or is it SILENCE on that subject altogether?

Hi guys,

Unfortunatly yes schools still teach that..Abiotic oil is researched since very long time. And the compaines know it.
The masses are the only ones who don't know..Were already in 2012 and people still talk about PEAK oil which should have happened 12 years ago...


Here some 10 question to ponder about.
Taken from the links I posted earlier :

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1.Why are the oil fields concentrated in porous-permeable beds around and along the subduction and rift zones, and not also away from those zones? The oil fields, newly discovered in the south central part of the Arabian plate (south of Riyadh), show over 50° gravity API (super light). They are considered concentrates, and therefore, excluded here.

2.Why do oil reserves increase annually, despite the daily high production, as already described?

3.Why are most oil fields strictly located in favorable structures (anticlines, domes, reefs) over deep fractures, horsts, faults, etc present only in or near the subduction and rift zones?

4.Why are some hydrocarbons produced from, or exist in, organically barren rocks (sepentinites, carbonatites, Precambrian and ophiolitic rocks) present only in or near the subduction and rift zones?

5.Why are hydrocarbons found to the west and south, but not to the east, of the ophiolite mountain in Oman where carbonates, anticlines, fractures, and faults are also present? Is that because the subduction zone is present to the west and south, and not to the east?

6.Why are the oil reserves very modest in Syria, Turkey, and Oman, when compared to those in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, The Emirates, and Qatar? Is that because of the inadequate seepage of water (source of hydrogen) into the subduction and rift-zones?

7.Why are the oil and gas fields located in NW-trending anticlines along the foothills of the Zagros and in N-trending anticlines in Ghowar oil field (Saudi Arabia), Burgan (Kuwait), Dukhan (Qatar), and others, inshore and offshore the Gulf ? What has caused those structures, and the fractures, faults, and horsts beneath them, to form? Aren't the movements of the Arabian plate and the successive events a product of subduction?

8.Where are the sulfur (S), nickel (Ni), cobalt (Co), iron (Fe), and magnesium (Mg) found in oil likely to originate? Aren't they all found in basalts and mafic minerals such as olivine and pyroxene (pyrolite) in ultramafics in the lithosphere and asthenosphere?

9.What is the significance of pyrolitic (presence of olivine and pyroxene) characteristics found in drilling cores from producing wells in Israel, in carbonatites in rifted southern Syria, and in serpentinites in Turkey? Don't those characteristics relate the hydrocarbons to pyroxene and olivine, which release CO2 (source of carbon) upon fracturing (Wyllie -1975, 1977; Wyllie and Huang -1975, 1976; Eggler - 1976, 1978; Wallace and Green - 1988; (Mahfoud and Beck - 1991)?

10.Why are oil and gas fields found in traps ranging in age from Upper Paleozoic to Miocene? Has every field originated from a separate petroliferous lithologic source, which petroleum geologists have tried, to no avail, to pinpoint? Could it be that those fields originated from one source and by the some process afterward, differentiated into gas and oil, and driven under pressure to their actual places through fractures and faults? Which of the two approaches is more logical and easier to understand?
The second approach would solve the age problem without any difficulty. Moreover, it would continuously supply hydrocarbons to the fields, and would increase the reserves as the subduction movements continue. The additional hydrocarbons, which are greater than production, are certainly a factor that prevents the depletion of oil and gas in Middle East.

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