Will California become America's first failed state?

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
Why dont we just sell California to Mexico and use the money to pay down our loans from the Chinese. Kill two birds with one stone, maybe 3, because then maybe the rest of the illegals will move to Cali once its part of Mexico.

I guess in the end, regardless of what happens, California is just more proof that communism does not work.

If California was given to Mexico, the illegals would just swarm out of California

reply to post by blueorder


Well shucks, we just cannot get rid of those pesky illegals. They are like cockroaches, once you get them its hell to get rid of them.

Maybe we should just save Mexicans the trouble and take over Mexico. Maybe that would help save Cali from bankruptcy.

I am going back to Cali
to cali
to cali
I DONT THINK SO!


[edit on 5-10-2009 by StinkyFeet]

Originally posted by StinkyFeet
reply to post by blueorder

 

Well shucks, we just cannot get rid of those pesky illegals. They are like cockroaches, once you get them its hell to get rid of them.

heh


They are only in California because it is American, not part of that ridiculous Aztland movement, those big bad Europeans just made a damn attractive nation state

reply to post by Ophiuchus 13


You got a thread for this in the Fragile Earth forum or in the Predictions forum?

reply to post by grover

One of the key ingredients to the California disaster that politicians in the golden state hate to discuss is proposition 13 passed in 1978 which limited property taxes to:

NO The key ingredient is staying within budget PERIOD. Politicians spend money like a drunk with a millionaires stolen credit card. The solution was simple if you do not have the money you do not spend it. Unfortunately Bankers and Politicians both want to see money borrowed and spent. Now California is paying the price, but do not worry the rest of the USA will be following suit soon. We (the USA) no longer have the production base to dig us out of the hole the bankers INTENTIONALLY pushed the USA into. Bankers are NOT capitalists they are socialists. Every social program is more TAXES [interest] paid to them, every regulation keeps more "little guys" from competiting.

The 1980's bank funded "leveraged buyouts" were a repeat of the roaring twenties bank funded "speculation" The banks collapsed the market in 1929 just as it did in 2008. Both times the big Central bankers walk away with all the marbles, but this time the plan to own the entire country and not let us recouperate to be sheared again. They have bigger fish to fry than the USA - China.


75% of downtown Los Angeles and other metropolitan areas are now owned by foreigners that is why the taxes are not raised. TPTB do not want to pay taxes.

reply to post by crimvelvet

SIGH!!! Yes you are correct as far as it goes..

.but as I have pointed out repeatedly thanks to proposition 13 the state was required to replace the lost tax revenues to the localities so there has been that drain on the budget...

Then there is the requirement...also dictated by prop 13 that a 2/3 majority is required to raise taxes almost assuring gridlock.

It is not only as simple as everyone makes it out to be...its prop. 13's fault...its Democrats fault...its Republican's faults...its falling revenue's fault...its a failure to maintain a budget's fault and so on...

If it were only so simple then it could be fixed.

reply to post by grover

It is that simple, grover.

If you don't have the money for it, you can't have it.

The only thing complicated is getting the people to vote for leaders who understand that.

TheRedneck

Originally posted by missvicky
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

On the topic of illegals . . .

could it be that they lower the wages of everyone overall, therefore lowering taxable income, therefore lowering government income?

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Yes!!!!!
Have a whole bunch more to say but deleted it lest I get banned for appearing racist.

Say it!

You will not be banned

We are talking the real issues here.

reply to post by really


I certainly blame not only the corporations but the small business owner as well. Both hire illegals because they are cheaper. They are the ones supporting illegal immigration.

If we kept out the illegals they would have to pay minimum wage at the least, while this is low pay it is at least fairer than what they pay illegals.

That is why I say illegals are stealing jobs.

All in all it is greed that runs the illegals here. Their boss could be paying a fair wage and be out there helping his/her employees. But they would rather sit on their rear and pay barely enough to survive.

I do not blame illegals for trying to better themselves I only ask they do it the legal way.

Raist

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by missvicky
reply to post by Lemon.Fresh

 

On the topic of illegals . . .

could it be that they lower the wages of everyone overall, therefore lowering taxable income, therefore lowering government income?

_____________________________________________________________
Yes!!!!!
Have a whole bunch more to say but deleted it lest I get banned for appearing racist.

Say it!

You will not be banned

We are talking the real issues here.

You are correct. That's what I said before. However, (as I said before) corporations and businesses want them to come over and lower wages. There is a minimum (disgraceful minimum) wage for American Citizens, not for illegals. This like so many other problems every city, state, our country and most of the world face are because of corporate greed. It's that simple.
The Supreme Court found that a corporation's CEO and Execs one major rule is that they are supposed to turn a profit for their corporation. So, hiring illegals is one way to do that.

reply to post by ..5..


Maybe they do where you live but not here. They make very little here.

Besides I would rather pay firefighters 160k a year because they are needed and they risk their life daily. I say they are well worth it.


Stop giving CEOs, VPs, and presidents wages and bonuses that could feed several families for life though. What do most of them do aside from destroy America?


Raist


Edi: grammar

[edit on 10/5/09 by Raist]

Originally posted by Raist
reply to post by really

 

I certainly blame not only the corporations but the small business owner as well. Both hire illegals because they are cheaper. They are the ones supporting illegal immigration.

If we kept out the illegals they would have to pay minimum wage at the least, while this is low pay it is at least fairer than what they pay illegals.

That is why I say illegals are stealing jobs.

All in all it is greed that runs the illegals here. Their boss could be paying a fair wage and be out there helping his/her employees. But they would rather sit on their rear and pay barely enough to survive.

I do not blame illegals for trying to better themselves I only ask they do it the legal way.

Raist

HA!!! We must have been posting at the same time. I agree with you. Immigrants should be coming into the country in a legal manner.
I also agree that small businesses are as much at fault (although, many of those small business are at least LLCs). The system is screwed (to put it mildly). Trust me, most of your Congressmen and Senators want to keep it that way for their corporate masters.

Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by really

Most Americans won't work for the wages illegals work for.

Americans can't work for the same wages. Americans are here legally, and have to file taxes every year. Illegal immigrants only file should they get caught. The minimum wage laws prohibit everyone from working for wages lower than $7.25 an hour, but the only ones actually held to that standard are those who are not here illegally already.

Laws do not change the actions of those who are already criminals.

TheRedneck

That's a great point and absolutely true. Which brings me back to the Corps and businesses that don't give a # and just want cheap labor. Blame them and our government (because trust me, the govt is in on it).

reply to post by really


Yeah I guess we were. lol

Of course they do. We have already lined their pockets and the pockets of their families for many generations to come.

They screwed us because we let them do it though. People cannot get out of this only to sides to vote for mentality. There are more than two choices to vote for and if none of the choices are good we demand new choices.

Sadly though we have become lazy in this area and it screwed us. A few cannot bring it back it will take a multitude.


Raist

reply to post by TheRedneck


Brother you could not be more right.


Sadly though they screwed us (sorry that is the mildest I can put it) without even a kiss or dinner beforehand.


I don’t see a fix coming anytime soon either. It will take a lot of rebuilding to get it fixed. It will also take the majority of Americans working together, which I think will keep it from happening any time soon.

So many are trapped in the two party mindset. It is so sad to see that.

Raist

It sure will, because all in all the way california goes so does the rest of the US. Heck California is the 7th or 8th largest economy in the world. They in essence could be their own country.

ok....on the subject of illegal immigrants...it's touchy because the title "illegal immigrants" appears to have become synonamous in the popular vernacular with "Mexican". I have personally met Canadian and European illegal immigrants but they slip in under the radar because they are white. In fact the Canadian regularly crossed the border for twenty years working here and sending money home.
We have the immigration laws on the books. Fact. We don't need new ones. The question is why aren't these laws enforced equally? In my opinion they are not enforced in order to keep our Southern border soft...thus exploiting both the Mexican and American workers with ridiculously low wages. Allow the Illegal Mexican in who has no choice but to accept the low wages and you create a false competition : who will work the cheapest? At the same time destroy the unions so they continue to work cheaper and cheaper.
The argument that white people won't do the work Mexicans do is an outright lie, not even worth debating. My husband got a job at a plant that made aviation parts: sheetmetal. The only reason he got the job was that they were low on their quota of white people and being olive complexion he had to show a birth certificate to prove he's caucasion. the majority of workers there are Filipino, working in a sheet metal industry, some of them for over 20 years, for less than $10 an hour. Ever hear of the Sheet metal Workers Union? Where are they? No where because the Filipnos that work there figure it out, don't want conflict and won't even listen to a union rep. Not that it would be all that great anymore anyway.
My husband quickly got so sick of it that when he heard they were going to lay off some people he volunteered to quit in order to save some one else their job.
I do not understand why the government just insists on opressing prosperity. In the recent real estate boom everyone did well. You may argue that it was all false money, greedy people spending beyond their means, whatever. But it demonstrates a very basic point: when people prosper, every one does well, taxes get paid, and people feel good about themselves. Pop that balloon and what do you have? Despair, tent cities, a further degradation of our lifestyle. Is dead lawns becoming the new normal?
I still say quit looking at taxes. Look at the amount of fees Calif takes in daily...at city, county, and state levels. I'm sure the totals would drop your jaw.
Ok, I'm stopping. Remembering to breathe.

reply to post by missvicky


Star for you, Miss Vicky. Corporate greed is what it's all about.
Unbelievable.

Where will the LAPD get all the money to buy these ?

www.carpoint.com.au...

Holden is on the brink of announcing its biggest-ever customer order.

Long rumoured, the deal to sell Holden-built Chev badged cars to US police forces is essentially a done deal. In fact, it's so close to done that Holden chief Alan Batey was in Denver today to press the flesh with the boys in blue.

In an effort to secure its share of the US police car market, the Aussie carmaker and its Chairman trekked to Denver and the world's biggest police exhibition IAPC (International Association of Police Chiefs Conference) to unveil a special edition of its Gulf States WM-based Caprice sedan -- complete with gun rack and prisoner barrier. And while Holden execs in Australia are playing their cards close to their chests (there will be a watered-down announcement tomorrow, Tuesday) we can exclusively report that the deal is done. Holden-built police cars will be on the beat Stateside by early 2011.

As noted above, the new car will be sold in North America as a Chevrolet with the aim of taking a large slice of the 70,000 police sedan sales each year. Indeed, if the car proves popular with forces across the USA, Holden could end up selling more sedans to North America as police cars than it sells sedans in total in Australia.

reply to post by Somamech


Where will the LAPD get all the money to buy these ?

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Wow, don't cha think that would have helped GMC a tad? Now we have corporate outsourcing? And Calif is broke? L.A. is broke? I'll bet there's a DMV fee subsidizing this deal.