Litle Black "Thing"

reply to post by Lastone


Very interesting read.

I'll have to go back and read this one several time more.

What do you think it is?

Positions of STEREO A and B for 8-Oct-2009 18:00 UT

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Now if you look at Stereo Behind Hl1 Image you can see the "thing" and Mercury

08.10.2009 17:18:50 UT

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If you look at Stereo Behind Cor 2 what you'll see is Mercury and....a black area not shouingwhat should be there.

08.10.2009 18:09:35 UT

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Isn't it strange ??

Originally posted by redgy
hmmm, the idea of stereo is that images from both satelites are superimposed together to get the correct image, for size,distance,and location.
since you are only showing the one satelites image it would be great to see the images of both satelites superimposed with one another to get a better view of this black thing.

Yes But you can only do that with Stereo Ahead and Behind COR2

Not using Stereo Ahead and Behind Hl1.

If I'm wrong about it ... sorry

reply to post by loam


I do not know what it is... and that is the truth.

I can speculate about it ...!!! But it wouldn't do me no good

I do have a theory .. but it is too soon to post.

For the moment I'm just doing my observations... connecting information from different sources... trying to get a better picture of "it"...

When I feel comfortable about my conclusions...

reply to post by Lastone



I can see you have put a lot of work into researching this "thing. I will be keeping an eye on this thread for further events. S&F

I've been following this thread, and I must say you seem to be on to something here. No one has given an adequate explanantion thus far, except perhaps Phage's sensor flaw. But seeing as how you've tracking this 'thing' for so long now, I don't think it is a flaw(just a gut feeling). And maybe it does have something to do with the recent geological disturbances here on the Earth. I sure hope someone can figure this out, as it has certainly caught my interest. It's a big and mysterious universe out there, much like the depths of the sea.

The fact that it doesn't move leads me to believe phage is on the right line of thinking. Personally I suspect it might be a secondary blockage related to the built-in earth occulter on the heliospheric imagers, or if it's only appearing in one camera then a piece of debris on the imager might explain it, something that would be remidied by a good flat field subtraction not possible in space.

[edit on 11-10-2009 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by Phage
Since it didn't move in the frame I think it's safe to assume it is a flaw in the sensor.

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[edit on 10/4/2009 by Phage]

Clearly the Trail is being Disturbed by the "THING" So i highly doubt its a camera flaw

reply to post by icemax2005


There was one other possibility I was reluctant to mention; earth.
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Notice that stereo B is located farther out from the sun than the earth, from its perspective earth is a dark orb. Since their orbital periods basically match that of earth, it wouldn't appear to move like the other planets. That's the kicker for why this couldn't be anything abnormal; it would place it right next to us in our orbit AND it would have to be orbiting at the same rate as we are... chances are decent you're actually looking at US.

Using the applet found here

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You can create a video from the different instruments. HI 1 Behind allows for a time span of 28 days & shows passing the artifact so I'm not certain what it is other than an artifact. I haven't been able to locate it from the other instruments or the ahead view.

Stargate anyone? *she mused dreamily*

Eh, after finally getting the video to fully buffer I have to say it looks like an electron trap cleared by a CCD bakeout period.
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I think phage had it right.

Originally posted by ngchunter
Eh, after finally getting the video to fully buffer I have to say it looks like an electron trap cleared by a CCD bakeout period.

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I think phage had it right.

Thanks to you ngc for the link and to you and phage for the analysis.

In light of this week's Nobel Physics Award:

More Than Meets the Eye: How the CCD Transformed Science

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I would also have to agree with Phage, it looks like a burnt spot on the imaging device. Notice how it is the only thing that remains fixed, this is a good indication that it is physically linked to the space craft's camera.

Perhaps this black spot is from the brightness of the planets at that position. As they get closer to the Sun their reflective light gets brighter.

I thought that SOHO was in a balanced orbit between the Earth and the Sun.

reply to post by Devino


SOHO is orbiting the L1 point between Earth and the Sun. The STEREO Ahead and Behind satellites are at the L4 and L5 points, respectively.

Hello..

Sorry, working away from home and couldn't post.

Recen events are very interesting. And I'll put my case about them.

reply to post by ngchunter


That was my first Tought. A Flaw.

Only after watching the flaw come and go I started to question that Possibility.

Another observation made me change my perspective about that black spot. If it is a Flaw why would it disappear and appear behind a planet moving in to its position? Why would the Sun change its activity when planets move in to a position betwen "it" and the sun ?
Another important question is why does it look like being always in the same place? well it isn't. I looks like it but it isn't. It is moving in to the sun and by coincidence stereo rotation arround the sun compensates its motion forward, closer.
When stereo orbit comes in to a position that it no longer compensates its motion it will move. And it will be impossible to see it on stereo behind hl1 images.

Now .. Mercury came in to a position betwen it and the Sun and the Sun activity changed. We couldn't see it because mercury was acting as a shield.
Venus was also coming in to place. We had to planets between it and the Sun.

We also have to question Nasa Home work. Why ?
Because after uploading videos and people starting to question it, information is no longer available. Lets take a look at it.

Information available at stereo site on the 13.10.2009

Stereo Behind Hl1

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14.10.2009

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15.10.2009

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16.10.2009

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Now..

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Makes you think about it doesn't it ?

reply to post by ngchunter


No... we can't.

Because if you look at the images you will see mercury. It would be impossible to see mercury or Venus.

This is now..

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On the 04.10.2009 you can see mercury and Venus...stereo behind Hl1

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Present planets location..18.10.2009

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I think you are making a big mistake, or I'm the one making it

We can't compare Planets motion with "it". We can't look at stereo images and see planets come and go and say they are moving and the black spot isn't. Planets are rotating in a orbit. The black spot isn't.

Planets are rotating around the Sun. The Black Thing isn't.
Planets do change its position because they are rotating, and that makes "them move" on stereo images very fast. The Black "thing" isn't rotating in a orbit around the Sun. It is moving in to the sun. That makes it look like not moving. It is only the stereo satellite orbit that makes it "move on images".It takes earth 365 days to complete a full orbit. And that is the same time it takes Stereo satellite to do it also. Take that in to account when saying that the Black Thing isn't moving.

Maybe I'm wrong.. If I am do say so.

The Black "thing" isn't rotating in a orbit around the Sun.

Very strange indeed, I'm still can't get my head around this. Someone posted a few images of the black thing over in one of those planet x threads. If it's not a star or planet, and if it turns out to not be a flaw then...

reply to post by Lastone

From your original video I saw the black spot remain in the same position and this indicates to me that it has to do with the camera. After reading ngchunter's reply describing a "bake out" I got the impression of an old VCR with the image 12:00 permanently imprinted on the clock.

Perhaps this spot is at a critical brightness point and alignment for all of the planets and from this created a permanent image that was burnt into the camera. The reason the spot comes and goes has to do with the amount of light from the Sun's solar flares or a planet coming into alignment.

I think the idea that this spot is a physical object not connected to SOHO's camera that remains in constant alignment creates several difficult to explain problems. The simple answer is that this is related to the camera itself unless you have more video showing this thing moving.