Israel hands Russians the names of russian scientists helping Iran build the bomb

Israel hands Russians the names of russian scientists helping Iran build the bomb

www.timesonline.co.uk

Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has handed the Kremlin a list of Russian scientists believed by the Israelis to be helping Iran to develop a nuclear warhead. He is said to have delivered the list during a mysterious visit to Moscow

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So Netanyahu was in Moscow last month on his secret trip delivering to the russian the names of russian scientists helping Iran build the bomb. im not really sure what it means but its a bit of a slap in the face to the russians, isreal is basically sayin what what, we know what ur doin... any thoughts?

www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

Hasn't it pretty much been proven that the whole warhead thing is western propaganda? Now they got names??? Wth?

reply to post by TheCoffinman


Yes, my thoughts are what a load of crap.

All anyone needs to do is step back from the situation. Israel has been stomping their feet for a few years now about Iran. Israel has consistently been aggressive towards it's neighbors. They spout off about the Holocaust, or anti-Semitism as the reason why it is justified.

The real truth hurts. 60 million People lost their lives in WW 2. A semite is not exclusive to Zionist who moved into the neighborhood not that long ago, in the grand scheme of time. Palestinians are also Semites.

From there with those reasons being moot they've gone on to use the reasoning they are a shining light of truth, and democracy in the ME.

Truth is there that this is a lie also. Racism is rampant in Israel. They openly hate gays; there are several articles out where they vigilante patrol for Arab men dating Jewish girls; c'mon what happens when they actually find them.

Also, thanks to some brave Jewish Men interviewing many in Israel the main reason stated in the interviews for not liking Obama is because he is BLACK. Nothing else, but "he's black".

There is simple logic that only needs to be applied to this. I am surprised that anyone in the World still listens to Israel. They are indeed the boy crying wolf continually; except in this case they seem to be the perpetrators more often than not.

I appreciate You bringing this article to the table coffinman. It is important to know the lies that are being told now.

reply to post by The Coffinman


My first thoughts are that you need to go back to your OP and rewrite it in English.

On the story; perhaps it was bomb equipment that was been transported on that hijacked ship the Arctic Sea?

There was an interesting post in another thread that suggested that Israel does NOT have any nuclear weapons and it's all a big front.
This is why no one has inspected them and why they haven't signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
Is this the real reason Israel are so fearful of a nuclear Iran?

I guess this is what to be expected when one group of people run the majority of media.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

As you said:

It is important to know the lies that are being told now.

And those lies include:

Israel has consistently been aggressive towards it's neighbors. They spout off about the Holocaust, or anti-Semitism as the reason why it is justified.

In 1948 neighbors did not agree to Israel existence in any form. Since then conflict goes on and on. All wars and operations are continuation of the same conflict that was started when neighbors declared war on Israel in 1948.
Another lie is:

Racism is rampant in Israel. They openly hate gays; there are several articles out where they vigilante patrol for Arab men dating Jewish girls; c'mon what happens when they actually find them.

There are racists in Israel. Like in any country. I did not hear about Arab killed in Israeli court by Israeli racist for example. And there are people who hate gays. And? Look in your area and in less then half an hour you will find racists. Some people need only to look in the mirror though,and those people live not only in Israel.
And group that looks for Jewish girls dating Arabs exists. It has nothing to do with government though. There is Nazi party in Germany. And?
And final wise remark:

Also, thanks to some brave Jewish Men interviewing many in Israel the main reason stated in the interviews for not liking Obama is because he is BLACK. Nothing else, but "he's black".

And???? It was a survey or he questioned few drunk American Jewish teens in Israel? "Many in Israel"......
Smear Israel,smear,smear,smear... Hard work is never done, ha?

There is simple logic that only needs to be applied to this. I am surprised that anyone in the World still listens to Israel

There are those that listen to Israel because they have logic. They are not driven by cheap black PR campaigns with purpose only to show negative stuff and use word Israel near it.

That is a very intriguing development in the merry-go-round that we all know as the Iran Nuke crisis. What it says to me, is that western intelligence networks are far more entrenched than previously thought. Your right, it is probably a means to make the Russians come clean about their advisers being in Iran. It's like catching the child with their hand in the cookie jar. Very interesting development, thanks for sharing.

reply to post by lightchild



Haha! This is a very real probability in my opinion. Great insight. This makes the most sense as well. But in the end why do they need their own nukes? We have nukes all over the world and could bomb Israeli enemies with a moments notice.

A pattern is emerging I am afraid.

On 2nd Oct' there was only one single news source stating

The nuclear talks in Geneva led to an agreement in principle to process some Iranian enriched uranium in Russia and France

but surprisingly it not published anywhere in MSM. It's astonishing MSM is not covering this important aspect.

I could only find a link from Russian news source posted on You Tube.


And I saw this important piece of information is missing on this thread Dated 3rd Oct:

Mohammed El-Baradei, the director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, arrived in Tehran last night for discussions on Sunday with Ali Akbar Salehi, head of the Iranian Atomic Energy Organisation and other officials.

Iran's nuclear programme in spotlight as IAEA chief El-Baradei arrives in Tehran

And just few hours ago this news emerged from Israel and is allover the MSM.
Dated 4th Oct

Israel's prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, has handed the Kremlin a list of Russian scientists believed by the Israelis to be helping Iran to develop a nuclear warhead. He is said to have delivered the list during a mysterious visit to Moscow.

Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...

This is a direct provocation by Israel in my view now to Russia and Iran. After Iran agreed to let Russia and France enrich uranium for it, Israel has now come up with a list of Russian scientist who are suppossedly helping Iran build nuclear warheads. Thus, Israel is indirectly accusing Russia of helping Iran make nuclear warheads and suggesting Russia shouldn't enrich uranium for Iran.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by December_Rain]

[edit on 3-10-2009 by December_Rain]

reply to post by ZeroKnowledge


Hi Zero, I'm still gathering everything to show You. I would suggest also going here threeworldwars.com... The current World situation was outlined by Illuminist's over 100+ years ago. Albert Pike said the last war would be between the Muslim, Jewish, and Christian Worlds.

The great battle of Armageddon is supposed to take place in Jerusalem; on the hills around it; not my words, but fact.

Take, or think what You will. I only want Peace, and all to be happy. The fact is that not only the Israeli People, but the US People are being led down a dark, dark path. The end of the path is death for most. The problem with supporting any war dealing with Religious intolerance; which is what is being perpetrated now, is that is exactly what the Illuminated Freaks laid out long ago.

The obviously horrendous thing to any Israeli, or anyone being in Israel such as Yourself is from the looks of the Illuminated Freaks; ya'll are the sacrificial offering. I just don't understand the degree of ignorance that can defend insanity; which was laid out so long ago, and as a story line is being followed to a Tee; should the storyline continue it is predominantly People of Israel who don't have the happy ending according to the Elites story.
Yes Listen To Israel
HUMAN RIGHTS IN PALESTINE AND OTHER
OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES
Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
www2.ohchr.org...

1. On 3 April 2009, the President of the Human Rights Council established the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict with the mandate “to investigate all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law that might have been committed at any time in the context of the military operations that were conducted in Gaza during the period from 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009, whether before, during or after.”

B'TSELEM
Statistics, and fatalities from the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights In The Occupied Territories.
www.btselem.org...

What Iran is required to do. I STRONGLY suggest watching this video.



'Protecting' Jewish girls from Arabs
www.jpost.com...

Every night, dozens of young men in Jerusalem's Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood take to the streets and go out searching for girls.

But theirs is not a promiscuous search. In fact, the group of some 35 volunteers is looking to prevent such interaction and to stop what neighborhood residents have overwhelmingly complained is a growing problem in Pisgat Ze'ev - Arab men going out with Jewish girls.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Nice video. The news dude at the end was sweating buckets and even had to admit that the guest made a "valid point" by stating that Iran can test missiles all it wants to and that the US and Israel test more frequently than that. Actually, that guest needs to play it safe, because when you point out irrational and illogical this stuff is, you could "disappear" after you get kidnapped by the MIB.

He's also right that the US and Israel threaten Iran pretty often.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by MegaCurious]

Hi sanchoearlyjones!

Strange how you omitted the reasons for the story you highlighted and gave a link to: 'Protecting' Jewish girls from Arabs.
From reading your posts about Israel, I guess it speaks for itself!

You added only a snippet of a story, so here is some of the other 'snippets' you chose to leave out, for your own reasons (which are apparent even to a blind person).

I am not religious, nor am I a Jew or a Christian, I just like the facts, not distorted ones!

This story you omitted to highlight properly, refers to Jerusalem's Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood. North Jerusalem suburb, which shares a side of the security barrier with the Palestinian village of Anata and the scattered dwellings on the edge of Shuafat refugee camp

also

"We're not aggressive, and we don't use violence," said Moshe, a 31-year-old member of the group who spoke to The Jerusalem Post on Thursday.

"Our goal is to be in contact with these girls and try to explain to them the dangers of what they're getting themselves into. In the last 10 years, 60 girls from Pisgat Ze'ev have gone into the [West Bank Arab] villages," he said. "And most of them aren't heard from after that."

also

Moshe said that his group also maintains contact with the Arab men as well

also

While some girls are receptive to the group's efforts, others are not. "But we keep trying," Moshe said. "These are girls who usually don't know any better, who come from troubled homes, and they're swept up by the guy's charm or nice clothes. We try to show them that these aren't the most important things, and we have women who speak to them as well."

also

According to Moshe, the group is currently in contact with 17 girls, the majority of whom are in high school. The group has encountered physical confrontations, but, Moshe said, iits work is done within the full confines of the law, and the Arab men they approach are often receptive as well.

also

But for Moshe and his group, the importance of their job lies with the girls they say they are protecting. "Sometimes these guys are abusive to the girls," Moshe said. "While that usually starts after they're married, there was an incident recently where one of these guys was beating the girl up in the middle of the street. We got involved, and she left him, but it's a shame that it has to come to that."

Another major issue for the group are the brothels that have sprung up in the neighborhood. In addition to their nightly "patrols," the group stages protests outside the houses of ill repute in an effort to pressure the owners to shut them down.

"Our mission is not against Arabs," Moshe said. "But it is for the protection of Jewish women, wherever they may be. And with regards to the brothels, the police don't interfere, because they're run by crime families. But if enough residents stand up against them, I believe they will be shut down."

In that vein, Eish L'Yahadut is planning a rally next Thursday in front of the mall, to protest the brothels and what it calls "police inaction" over the matter.

"We want to get the neighborhood involved," Moshe said. "Because it's our neighborhood, and if we don't stand up for it, no one will."


Israeli girls are going missing.
Israeli girls are ending up in Arab Whorehouses and Brothels.

That ^^ would botheer and worry any normal person.

If the same were to happen in my district and if the police failed to act upon it, I would probably be just as concerned as Moshe and his 'group'.

I wonder what you would do?

sanchoearlyjones:

Crikey, this is one helluva distorted and warped post!
Where do you get your information from?
Seems you have stepped back so far, you are having problems seeing what is out there.

Yes, my thoughts are what a load of crap.

All anyone needs to do is step back from the situation. Israel has been stomping their feet for a few years now about Iran. Israel has consistently been aggressive towards it's neighbors. They spout off about the Holocaust, or anti-Semitism as the reason why it is justified.

The real truth hurts. 60 million People lost their lives in WW 2. A semite is not exclusive to Zionist who moved into the neighborhood not that long ago, in the grand scheme of time. Palestinians are also Semites.

From there with those reasons being moot they've gone on to use the reasoning they are a shining light of truth, and democracy in the ME.

Truth is there that this is a lie also. Racism is rampant in Israel. They openly hate gays; there are several articles out where they vigilante patrol for Arab men dating Jewish girls; c'mon what happens when they actually find them.

Also, thanks to some brave Jewish Men interviewing many in Israel the main reason stated in the interviews for not liking Obama is because he is BLACK. Nothing else, but "he's black".

There is simple logic that only needs to be applied to this. I am surprised that anyone in the World still listens to Israel. They are indeed the boy crying wolf continually; except in this case they seem to be the perpetrators more often than not.

I appreciate You bringing this article to the table coffinman. It is important to know the lies that are being told now.

I love info like this: "Albert Pike said the last war would be between the Muslim, Jewish, and Christian Worlds."


Umm...being that the majority of the world powers belongs to one of these MAIN religions of the world, how is this a prediction? If there is to be a world war, then yes these religions would be involved because they encompass the worlds populous. What is prophetic here?

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
reply to post by ZeroKnowledge

 

Hi Zero, I'm still gathering everything to show You. I would suggest also going here threeworldwars.com... The current World situation was outlined by Illuminist's over 100+ years ago. Albert Pike said the last war would be between the Muslim, Jewish, and Christian Worlds.

The great battle of Armageddon is supposed to take place in Jerusalem; on the hills around it; not my words, but fact.

Take, or think what You will. I only want Peace, and all to be happy. The fact is that not only the Israeli People, but the US People are being led down a dark, dark path. The end of the path is death for most. The problem with supporting any war dealing with Religious intolerance; which is what is being perpetrated now, is that is exactly what the Illuminated Freaks laid out long ago.

The obviously horrendous thing to any Israeli, or anyone being in Israel such as Yourself is from the looks of the Illuminated Freaks; ya'll are the sacrificial offering. I just don't understand the degree of ignorance that can defend insanity; which was laid out so long ago, and as a story line is being followed to a Tee; should the storyline continue it is predominantly People of Israel who don't have the happy ending according to the Elites story.
Yes Listen To Israel
HUMAN RIGHTS IN PALESTINE AND OTHER
OCCUPIED ARAB TERRITORIES
Report of the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict
www2.ohchr.org...

1. On 3 April 2009, the President of the Human Rights Council established the United Nations Fact Finding Mission on the Gaza Conflict with the mandate “to investigate all violations of international human rights law and international humanitarian law that might have been committed at any time in the context of the military operations that were conducted in Gaza during the period from 27 December 2008 and 18 January 2009, whether before, during or after.”

B'TSELEM
Statistics, and fatalities from the Israeli Information Center for Human Rights In The Occupied Territories.
www.btselem.org...

What Iran is required to do. I STRONGLY suggest watching this video.

'Protecting' Jewish girls from Arabs
www.jpost.com...

Every night, dozens of young men in Jerusalem's Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood take to the streets and go out searching for girls.

But theirs is not a promiscuous search. In fact, the group of some 35 volunteers is looking to prevent such interaction and to stop what neighborhood residents have overwhelmingly complained is a growing problem in Pisgat Ze'ev - Arab men going out with Jewish girls.

reply to post by Jakes51


Spot on, it says to me Israel are much more embedded than previously thought.
I dont honestly believe this to be false.

Of course Iran are trying to get a bomb, its a goal that ensures your nations survival and place at the world table.

Russia are skilled in bomb making, why does this surprsie anyone?

You forget guys we were told Iraq had WMDs and we totally found them. WMDs were all over the place remember? Saddam had them under his bed and in his closet he even had one in that hole he was hiding in

reply to post by Beefcake


I hear You, and I can only hope others do. The People who WILL suffer more than any are the common People of Israel. They are being held out as the sacrificial lamb.

Should the plans of the Illuminated NWO proceed as planned, and Armageddon commence(war in the hills around Jerusalem), then the Elite feel confident that the surviving People will beg for a new religion; the religion of the NWO.

I am not religious, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see, and understand what the NWO wants. They hate any, and all of the religions; save their freak show.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

Illuminaty, Pike - could be.Personally i doubt possibility of existence of united group of power hungry greedy and corrupted individuals for more then a day (ever heard about two scorpions in a can?), but could be. There is no actual proof possible if one accepts total control and total devotion of leading group.
But this is not a problem - my position on this is definitely not more accurate then yours.
But not so about your "Israel facts". It is all very much like this:

The great battle of Armageddon is supposed to take place in Jerusalem; on the hills around it; not my words, but fact.

See, there are prophecies about Armageddon - a fact, there is city of Jerusalem - a fact. Both in Israel. Rest is problematic. Mount Megido (this is what Ar Magedon means) is closer to Syria and Lebanon then it is to Jerusalem. And this is the same pattern with almost all you post about Israel. Few facts are correct, but there is no connection between them. So how it is not taking truth and mixing it with lies then?
There are big problems in Israel, problems with Human rights, problems with discrimination , problems with exessive use of force. And world is correct to point at this. Israel is not the only country with such problems, and certainly not the worst in this regard - but still, it is very far from Switzerland standarts.
But this is not all. For some reason Israel is also attacked by certain people never mind what it did or did not. Somebody threw a grenade in pub and killed people because they were sexual minority - he is a criminal. He acted against the law, police is looking for him. And yet there is crowd that sings - Israel is anti-democratic because someone went nuts there. This is not black PR? Or there is PRIVATE, non-governmental organization with arguable purpose to prevent Jewish-Arab marriage. With overwelming 35 members. And it is enough for same crowd to start making the same conclusion. Mohammed Ali was against intermarriage - US is less democratic because of that?
See, this is my main problem. Not pointing out what really is rotten in Israel - this is actually good because it is another balance against becoming something very bad. But making non-issues into something else with some pretty transparent goal.

[edit on 4-10-2009 by ZeroKnowledge]