Swine flu "forced vaccination" is a conspiracy created by ATS members

reply to post by afoolbyanyothername


First of all, you are not in the USA. You are an outsider who does not know what is going on in the USA. Just last week there were hospitals in New York FORCING H1N1 vaccines on employees. Did you not see that headline or the thread that is on ats about that? Please check your facts before spouting off.

When I made my "no forced vaccination" post, this is what I meant, without directly saying it.

But yes, these sorts of theories are typical here. This is of course, a conspiracy board. This is what you can expect, day-in, day-out. If killer asteroids are not enroute to our planet, brown dwarf suns are. If the NWO isn't taking over the world in some new powerplay, then the Illuminati is. Martial law is always just around the corner, the country is constantly in a state of near collapse, and yes, we're all going to die... except those who have cleverly put together their BoBs and seemingly can't wait to try them out. They are PREPARED because they have.. SEEDS!! Seeds dammit!

But yea.. get used to that here. And no, these theories pretty much never come to fruition. However, after declaring how we will be sent to FEMA camps and killed and herded like sheep due to the swine flu and forced vaccinations, many will turn around and point to news stories like the NYC issue with healthcare workers being forced to get the vaccinations, and say "Omg.. see.. it's TRUE!" Even if it's 1 million miles away from what they originally predicted.

One day, one of these predictions will be right, and there will be just no living with these people.

Oh.. and yes, I have wondered at this for a long while, but many people seem to WANT a disaster. I think it might be human nature kicking in. I mean, until the last couple hundred years (if that), living was a dangerous experience. You encountered hardships quite often. Only recently has mankind reached a point where as a person, you may encounter next to no strife (if you live in some countries), and perhaps there is plenty of "desire to survive" left in our natures. You can't ditch over a million years of evolution in 100 years after all. I think many people WANT something to happen in their lives, even if it's a tragedy.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by fleabit]

Originally posted by john124
I know and it's damaging just like the rest of the anti-vax crowd. To fulfill your fantasies, those of you who make this crap up, are actually responsible for people not getting their jabs and causing deaths. How do you like that then? And don't expect me to listen to gibberish about NWO killing people using vaccines. How pathetic can conspiracies become, as this one is definitely the most ridiculous. As forced vaccinations are NEVER going to happen, and if that makes me a govt. agent in the most paranoid of people's minds because their life is so unfulfilled without a catastrophe, then so be it. Certain potential catastrophe's are worth discussing, but not this baseless & pointless one.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by john124]

And are you sir granted the gift of prophecy and therefore qualified to state what "will never happen"?

reply to post by SaturnFX


Ahh is that the map you learned from at school. I think i have found a picture of you teacher.

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Hey but at least you have all the women.

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To the OP, Did you forget this is a Conspiracy Web Forum or did you miss that part.

There is plenty of proof out their pointing towards the USA getting the forced vaccines, people have been pointing out this proof long before this new strain of swine, you know "Things like millions of plastic coffins" - Oh yea and the "FEMA Camp/Forms" Do you really believe this is just a coincidence.

Nobody said every country in the world are going to get forced vaccines. So your probably thinking "Why the USA?"

Take a look, people in the USA are starting to wake up in the masses. They have seen their new saviour Obama is full of S**T, they have been deceived time and time again, this time I believe the American people have had enough. So have we in the UK, we know if we don't stand and fight this time we are going to destroy humanity for many generations to come.

I am a true country man like many others and I will not be pushed into a corner, if we ignore this we will be a part of history nobody want to talk about. People will look back and say "WTF were these guys doing" I will stand side by side with my fellow country men and take these greedy bastards down, if they kill me so what "At least I tried"

Bottom line.. American and British people who are aware of what's going on are the biggest threat to the New World Order.

We I do know this my wife came home from work last night and informed me more about whats going on with the H1N1 FEMA office that was set up in John Hopkins in Baltimore. I had already reported that health care workers there were ordered silent about the FEMA office and the FEMA operations directives when a H1N1 case come through the doors and the chain of command that handles these cases. She informed me last night that the hospital union workers are threating to strike if they have to take the injections.
There is some thing brewing on this issue here in Baltimore. She also said there was a FEMA H1N1 out break test run last week at 9P.M. at night. Now the time frame of this is a little wierd to me but whats more crazy is that they ran this test as if the out break was so bad they had to use M&T Bank Stadium the home of the Baltimore Ravens. It all went down as if the outbreak was outta control and and all the local hospitals were over run with patients. All the FEMA operations were moved to M&T bank stadium along with military medical units. She said this test started around 9 P.M. and it took about 2 hours to get every thing set up and in place at the stadium. Her shift is over at 11p.m. she was 1 of 2 Radiologist on duty and she was told to stay stationed at Hopkins and the other Radiologist and tech aids would split up in teams to run the drill at the stadium. So now if any of you people in health care here in ATS know about these drills you might want to let eveyone know as a heads up cause this is getting a little fishy. I mean it's better to be prepared but it's the secrets that make these seem more sinister than it may be.

Originally posted by fleabit


... I think it might be human nature kicking in. I mean, until the last couple hundred years (if that), living was a dangerous experience. You encountered hardships quite often. Only recently has mankind reached a point where as a person, you may encounter next to no strife (if you live in some countries), and perhaps there is plenty of "desire to survive" left in our natures. You can't ditch over a million years of evolution in 100 years after all. I think many people WANT something to happen in their lives, even if it's a tragedy.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by fleabit]

Dude, have you ever attempted to get yourself a spot in the Black Hole at a Raiders game (and than not root for the team?) If ya want to see some strife and action, give it a go...

[edit on 3-10-2009 by LadySkadi]

reply to post by newyorkee


If more outside Countries did want to post more conspiracies...would amaricans want to listen?

www.thewashingtonnote.com...

If you want to know why all this is happening you need not look any farther than the "Georgia Guide Stones"

From population reduction - to dissolving certain laws and liberty - claiming global warming and environmental law - to Social Marxism

I would say they are implementing every word


Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
Guide reproduction wisely - improving fitness and diversity.
Unite humanity with a living new language.
Rule passion - faith - tradition - and all things with tempered reason.
Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
Balance personal rights with social duties.
Prize truth - beauty - love - seeking harmony with the infinite.
Be not a cancer on the earth - Leave room for nature - Leave room for nature

Originally posted by LadySkadi

Originally posted by fleabit


... I think it might be human nature kicking in. I mean, until the last couple hundred years (if that), living was a dangerous experience. You encountered hardships quite often. Only recently has mankind reached a point where as a person, you may encounter next to no strife (if you live in some countries), and perhaps there is plenty of "desire to survive" left in our natures. You can't ditch over a million years of evolution in 100 years after all. I think many people WANT something to happen in their lives, even if it's a tragedy.

[edit on 3-10-2009 by fleabit]

Dude, have you ever attempted to get yourself a spot in the Black Hole at a Raiders game (and than not root for the team?) If ya want to see some strife and action, give it a go...

[edit on 3-10-2009 by LadySkadi]

I'm a Bronco fan... someday, I'll have to go there for a game. But I doubt I'd sit in the Hole.. what a pit that has become.

But this desire for people to want something "exciting" to happen (even if it's not something good), is hardly limited to the folks on this board. I see it even at work. So... we are going to get snow in Denver. Suddenly, everyone is talking about "omg.. we might get 2 FEET! if it moves this way!" You can tell many people WANT a huge storm (and not just because they can stay home.. although, that may play into it). The thought of being in a rough storm tickles their fancy or something. It's a real effect, and it's rather interesting.

reply to post by afoolbyanyothername


# man I just want some vaccine, and I cannot find any anywhere! Our town is inundated with this flu and we are holed up in our farm house trying our best not to get sick. I am really worried about my four year old.

reply to post by arizonascott


Um.. well, what does swine flu have to do with the Georgia stones? There has been relatively few deaths.

Cigarette smoking has a much greater chance of making that happen, than this flu.

While there is a conspiracy here I don't think its quite as sinister as some make it out to be. I could be wrong but in all likelyhood its more a financial fraud than crazy experimentation.

The AMA heard president obama wants national healthcare so why not collect a few trillion dollars by releasing this bio-enginered threat. Any time a pharmaceutical company wants to make a quick buck this is all they have to do while mass media takes over and exagerates the threat.

Potentially the NWO has a lot of weapons at its disposal, including biological terror, but hopefully they won't start depopulating the planet quite yet. We must be awake and suspicious at all times!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07


If they take out 80% of the population with weapons it's a bit obvious.

If they take out 80% of the population with the H1N1 vaccine the 20% left will just say "How did they die" Oh well at least I can have an house on the sea front.

Edit: They could blame terrorist for tampering with the vaccines though if anyone questions all the deaths, yea that will work. Has done before

[edit on 3-10-2009 by NotAgain]

I don't know if this has been asked yet, but what proof do you have that Swine flu "forced vaccination" is a conspiracy created by ATS members? Please, post this evidence as I'm eager to read it.

Not quite a direct response to the OP but I didn't want to start a fresh thread maybe the OP could have a think on this... in the UK they are beginning trials on children from 6 months to age 14.. would you put your child forward for this trial (aka guinea pig testing)?

news.bbc.co.uk...

My kids are grown up 13 & 15 and they have both been warned to contact if any attempt to inject the flu vaccine into them at their school with out our consent..

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Well, what can I say except that I'm dismayed, shocked and appalled at the reaction that this thread apparently is generating from so many individuals ... individuals who one assumes in the "real world" out there are perfectly normal, level headed, intelligent, rational people with the expected operating levels of common sense.
And yet, put them on a forum such as this one and any semblance or pretense to rationality seems to get thrown right out the window as well as their ability to make logical sense of the world and events transpiring around them.

I started this thread of by making a bold statement that a ridiculous amount of time and effort has been put into the generation and continuation of a "belief" based upon an imagined ongoing "conspiracy" by governments around the world and/or the "shadowy" figures of the "invisible" NWO, who are assumed to have some kind of "evil agenda" in the making for the control of the worlds citizenry based on manipulation and fear engendered through the timely global spread of a virulent disease.

Then I pointed out that the day had finally arrived when sufficient quantities of vaccine were finally available and that if mass forced vaccinations were to take place, that now would be the time for these plans (if they existed) to be put into effect.
And yet, here we find ourselves with the days passing, vaccine available and absolutely NO sign of government/military heavy handedness about to swoop down on the total citizenry of ANY nation, and implementing draconian measures to force all the citizens to bend to the will of their respective government and be injected with swine flu vaccine.

Oh, yes ... we keep hearing that "it's going to happen" or "not yet but soon" or "they're waiting for larger quantities to be available" or a hundred and one other excuses. But the bottom line is that the vaccine is available NOW and NOTHING untoward is happening ... NO forced vaccinations of the entire populace ... NO unusual military activity ... NO media campaigns creating an atmosphere of panic and hysteria if the vaccination is NOT taken ... NO governmental intimidation. Instead, it's a case of "you want the vaccine, you can have it ... you don't want the vaccine, then that's your decision and right".
If it's NOT happening here, then you can bet it certainly isn't going to happen anywhere else either. And for those die-hard believers amongst you that continue to believe it will, just use a bit of logic and think through the ramifications of some countries electing to mass vaccinate their complete population, whilst other countries don't.

And no, having health care workers and those in frontline emergency and public services receiving the vaccination is NOT by any definition a validation that the conspiracy theory was in fact real and that mass vaccinations are already taking place and that the shift to the New World Order has begun. Compared to the entire population of the country, these groups are but a very small percentage.

But when the ordinary citizens begin to be coerced, manipulated, threatened and cajoled into accepting a vaccine they're unwilling or refusing to take, and when this action affects the MAJORITY of the citizenry in any nation, then we can talk about mass vaccination conspiracies ... but until that time arrives, or incontrovertible proof is disclosed that such a global vaccination plan actually does exist , then this mass forced vaccination conspiracy has NO validity or claim to truth.

In the final analysis, there will always be those individuals harbouring a deep seated resentment and unhappiness with the current state of the world and will happily clutch at any straw that may offer a significant change in the status quo, and the more so if these changes are of a catastrophic nature ...

Originally posted by kick Flip
Oh and in one state for every day that you arent vaccinated you have to pay $1000 dollars just to live there.

Which state? Please provide a link to a legitimate source.

reply to post by afoolbyanyothername


All of that is fine and dandy, but look at the title of this thread. The title of this thread reads, "Swine flu "forced vaccination" is a conspiracy created by ATS members"

My question is, what proof do you have that Swine flu "forced vaccination" is a conspiracy created by ATS members?

Originally posted by afoolbyanyothername

In the final analysis, there will always be those individuals harbouring a deep seated resentment and unhappiness with the current state of the world and will happily clutch at any straw that may offer a significant change in the status quo, and the more so if these changes are of a catastrophic nature ...

You've hit it right on the head old boy

There are certain groups within society who feel they've 'missed the boat' in terms of career, personal life, control, etc. Generally they are looking for some sort of event that can give them a second chance at being somebody.

Invariably that catalytic event tends to be in the form of disaster on a cataclysmic scale. For those minority groups, a huge disaster means a chance to begin again, to be empowered, to have agency.

They cling to these prophecies like a form of valuable currency. They see this currency as giving them a privilege and status that would otherwise be out of bounds for them. They see themselves as being special because they are 'in the know' about what's coming next.

That's why they attack so viscously anyone who threatens their privileged status. Any argument that counters their belief system, no matter how sound or logical, is not to be tolerated. Indeed it is to be feared.

As you said in one of your ealier posts, you have apparently "struck a nerve" with a certain element here on ATS.

Kudos to you