A moment of silence for all the dead Jihadists

reply to post by ManBehindTheMask


I agree 99% with what you are saying, but I just have to point out that we DID
kind of massacre BUNCHES of Native Americans during our conquest of the New World. Now maybe we didn't set out to specifically exterminate Native Americans, but we pretty much destroyed a LOT of once-beautiful Native American cultures (and who knows how many people) during our conquests.

Back to the topic!

Originally posted by jam321
reply to post by dannyfal

 

Nazis were just following orders too

your killing me.

Guess now your comparing our troops to the Nazi's. Always got to play the Nazi card.

WOW, must be something in the air today.


Problem with you is that you don't see that the US has tried to limit civilian casualties at every corner. The US is not looking to create atrocities. They are just trying to get the guys who are intent on creating problems for the US.

If the US really wanted to created atrocities, they would remove our troops and mow down everything and anything that moves. Now that would be an atrocity. Then I would accept your opinion that our troops followed a lawful order just like the Nazi's.

ok the guys argument was that "the people in the military are just following orders" so what they are doing isn't their fault

i simply stated that the nazis were also following orders but it doesn't mean they shouldn't take responsibility for their actions

don't really see whats wrong with my statement, but what do i know? i'm just some ignorant fool who doesn't know anything

Originally posted by ManBehindTheMask
reply to post by dannyfal

 

You seem to me like youre the one with the ego, and misguided at that.

You need to learn to read and do a little history retracing.

No America has never exterminated any race of people. Slavery was bad very bad, but every culture in the world goes through that phase at one point or another. We werent the first ones to do it.

To compare the United States to the nazis, or a place where Sharia law has been in effect is ridiculous, ignorant, uninformed at best.

Read a book

so dropping atomic bombs on the japs is not an attempt at exterminating a race of people?

reply to post by dannyfal


Soldiers are trained to follow orders without question. The only exception that
I can think of is if soldiers are requested to do something that violates the Constitution.

Hey Vets, help me out with this one....how far off am i??

Originally posted by dannyfal


so dropping atomic bombs on the japs is not an attempt at exterminating a race of people?

Nope!

Haven't you been paying attention?

They're still here and have one of the richest and high tech countries around.


FAIL!

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reply to post by GorehoundLarry


well it seems we agree on more things than we disagree about Gorehound... but when you say "they".. who are "they"? even if you consider "these people" uncivilized and monsters... no one knows who "these people" are. and please don't tell me osama bin laden or some MSM answer. also, i made no personal attack, i was just mentioning that u were implying that your view is right and everyon else's view is wrong

where was i immature? i've simply been challenging ur beliefs. i'm not saying i'm right

[edit on 2-10-2009 by dannyfal]

Why did this post even have to be about "Jihadists"?

How about taking a moment of silence to mourn/honor the tens of thousands (over 100,000 by some accounts) innocent civilians, including women and children, who have lost their lives as a direct result of this utterly insane, useless war?

Look at how much time we take mourning the 3,000 victims of 9/11. I'm not saying that there is anything wrong with that- We should never forget. However, so many more innocent Iraqi civilians have lost their lives and no one cares.

There's your double standard.

Oh, well. What can you do? This is the way human beings always have been and always will be.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by dannyfal


so dropping atomic bombs on the japs is not an attempt at exterminating a race of people?

Nope!

Have you been paying attention?

They're still here and have one of the richest high tech countries around.


FAIL!

so are gays and women in iraq? whats ur point

isn't "attempt" the keyword?

by the way slayer, u are one of my most respected fellow ATSers, i enjoy all of your posts

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[edit on 2-10-2009 by dannyfal]

Originally posted by mpriebe81
reply to post by dannyfal

 

Soldiers are trained to follow orders without question. The only exception that
I can think of is if soldiers are requested to do something that violates the Constitution.

Hey Vets, help me out with this one....how far off am i??

"i was following orders" is not a valid excuse to doing something wrong

how is that not understood by anyone

Originally posted by dannyfal

isn't "attempt" the keyword?

EPIC FAIL


We were already destroying a city a day with conventional bombing anyway. If we had wanted to exterminate them then why didn't we? I mean they surrendered and were unarmed. Hell we could have massacred the whole lot of them and had plenty of Asian Pacific beach front property.




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reply to post by oozyism


Who on earth is staring this guy?, aren't most of us here because of people like him. Sure you went to Iraq on the basis you thought you were protecting your country, but that's no excuse for the bloodshed caused by the "invasion" because it was an invasion from the west sending a clear message they declare war on freedom. Let them spread Islam(not like they're going to get far anyway), you can combat that other ways.


I'm sick an tired of you OPS who were ex-military or who are currently serving with your point of view, when you join the army you're conditioned and drugged up to the point where the people high up in "heirachy" think you should belong.

Anything you post is invalid an goes straight through my head because i know things, i know things of unimaginable belief, sure you might have seen some things, but you have only seen the tip of the ice-berg, you were nothing more then an ant stepping into mammoth territory "I was on the front lines, i saw things" - What A Joke, Any soldier who fights for a lie is the biggest puppet to date.

Including my grandparents, my uncle, my cousins these dumb people who think they are bringing upon peace because they blow up some "towel head"-reference to what your average officer in the military calls them. You're not creating peace, its not even a war.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by dannyfal

isn't "attempt" the keyword?

EPIC FAIL


We were already destroying a city a day conventionally anyway. If we wanted to exterminate them then why didn't we? I mean they surrendered and were unarmed hell we could have massacred them and had plenty of Asian Pacific beach front property.

oh come on slayer you can't honestly say that Iraq hating on gays and dropping TWO atomic bombs on a country aren't in the same ball park. my personal opinion is that the A bomb was a worst move, but then again its only personal opinion

Originally posted by dannyfal
so... the US has never been intolerant of homosexuals? we've never exterminated people for being gay? black? female? mentally retarded?

This is demagoguery. They used to burn people at a stake during Inquisition, but that doesn't make modern day Spaniards and the Portugese worthy of extermination or that Madrid bombing. Nasty things have been done by every nation I know of, but that again doesn't justify Jihad etc.

Originally posted by buddhasystem

Originally posted by dannyfal
so... the US has never been intolerant of homosexuals? we've never exterminated people for being gay? black? female? mentally retarded?

This is demagoguery. They used to burn people at a stake during Inquisition, but that doesn't make modern day Spaniards and the Portugese worthy of extermination or that Madrid bombing. Nasty things have been done by every nation I know of, but that again doesn't justify Jihad etc.

but i'm not talkinga bout justifying jihad, i'm saying BOTH sides are wrong. i think thats what the OP was about too

if we mourn US soldiers we should mourn the "maniacs" fighting for what they think is right (even though obviously everyone thinks they're wrong)

it all comes down to differnece of opinion... i'm not sure why everyone's gettin so emotional

reply to post by dannyfal


It might seem kind of counter-productive to you, but we actually dropped the bombs on the Japanese so that we didn't have to island-hop all the way in, which would've most definitely resulted in the loss of FAR more life that the two bombs did.

I'm not saying the bombs were a good idea, but i'm not so sure that they were a bad one for the time and place either. It was a complex situation, and cannot be fully discussed here without derailing the thread.

reply to post by dannyfal

don't really see whats wrong with my statement, but what do i know?

The Nazi's followed Hitler's order, a dictator, who basically did away with the German Constitution.

Our troops follow Obama's order, an elected official, who is obligated to abide by the Constitution. A Constitution that means a lot to its citizens.

To those criticising Islamic culture
In the context of this thread, what is your point please?

reply to post by jam321


ehhh i see what ur saying, but obama nor any president is an "elected official"... we do not live in a "democracy", not even close. don't look too hard into what i'm saying, i'm just saying that following orders is not a valid reason to kill people for basically no reason (other than corporations gettin that money)

i find it rediculous that not one person on this thread can agree with just that one statement. i can understand how all the other stuff i say sounds retarded, but saying "he told me to do it" or the "constitution told me to do it" is just dumb

reply to post by dannyfal


You're simplifying a situation that has a LOT of different factors involved.
And there are plenty of soldiers who have said "NO MORE" to the war machine, and many of them are basically living on the run. Or worse yet, imagine saying "NO" and going AWOL in the middle of a desert with minimal supplies. Good luck with that one.

If you really want to know why soldiers follow orders, even when they might not agree with those orders....perhaps you should join the military and give it a shot!

Originally posted by dannyfal
oh come on slayer you can't honestly say that Iraq hating on gays and dropping TWO atomic bombs on a country aren't in the same ball park. my personal opinion is that the A bomb was a worst move, but then again its only personal opinion

Who keeps dragging gays into this????

I'm against the PURPOSEFUL and DELIBERATE targeting of civilians. The US has killed Civies I'll admit that, but we don't deliberately target them in Iraq or Afghanistan or use them as weapons just to get a point across.