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No nono the question again:
Why do you think the Jihadists are fighting you? Do you believe it is because they want virgins or because they want everyone to be Muslims? Or because they just hate you?
Originally posted by oozyism
Let's do this step by step because I'm getting the feeling that most of you are mis-informed.
Why do you think the Jihadists are fighting you? Do you believe it is because they want virgins or because they want everyone to be Muslims? Or because they just hate you?
A small percentage of Muslims who are from the extreme, radical and violent wing of Islamic Fundamentalism, and who are "...passionate, [deeply] religious and anti-Western..." might dwell on passages or verses dealing with conflict, war, and resistance to oppression. Many conclude that the Qur'an expects them to engage in acts of terrorism, assassinations, suicide bombings, armed aggression against persons of other religions, oppression of women, executing innocent persons, etc.
Those Muslim Fundamentalists who are not extreme, violent and radical, and those Muslims from mainline or liberal wings of the religion might concentrate on passages and themes of spirituality, justice, personal struggle, peace, freedom, etc.
Originally posted by poedxsoldiervet
reply to post by oozyism
I was a Soldier who fought in Iraq, and by all means your entitled to your opinion. Now let me tell you mine, dont come crying to people like me when the boogeyman (feds or jihdist come looking for you.) I fought these men, they stand for oppression of women, rule by terror, the stand for spreading ISLAM worldwide. So if you want to honor these men, I will put you in there column.
By no means am I standing for the corruption known as the US goverment, I wouldnt piss on any of them if they were on fire (yes the beloved messiah included) the goverment goes in that category along with the Jidist, bankers, corperate greed, far left loons, far right loons, and now you.
Wow. This thread blew me away. Had to step out and huff down a few smokes to get my nerves back in order.
I was all set to ask Oozzyism, or whatever that handle is, just what rock he crawled out from under. Then he mentioned having lived in Afghanistan. THEN he mentioned living in the Peshawar Refugee Camp. I began to suspect what rock he crawled out from under.
Then he mentioned "mullah" Omar.
That sealed it, for me. Oozy, I KNOW what rock you crawled out from under. I don't know what country you live in now, but I'm willing to bet it ain't the USA, because I'm relatively sure you're on one of those "lists" of folks that don't make it past customs without a visit to the crossbar hotel.
Your propagandistic attempt to equate Taliban and Al Quaeda "freedom fighters" killing civilians with US professional soldiers killing civilians is an epic FAIL. It has a fatal flaw, no pun intended.
US professional soldiers target MILITARY personnel, including your precious "freedom fighters". If civilians are being used as shield by your "brave warriors", they die too.
Al Qaeda No. 2: We don't kill innocents
Fourteen Iraqis were reported killed and five injured early yesterday morning after an American war plane obliterated a family house in the north of the country. The military said it was a mistake.
In contrast, your "holy warriors" target CIVILIANS, and if a WARRIOR is in the way, he dies too.
Al Qaeda No. 2: We don't kill innocents
BIG damn difference. The only military target on 9-11 was the Pentagon, and most of those fellows (but not all) are just "chairborne commandos", and thus not much of a threat.
In the WTC, 50,000 CIVILIANS were targetted. Maybe your intel told you it was a seething nest of Rangers and Special Forces disguised as civilians, eh?
That was a PATHETIC attempt at propaganda, accidentally targetted at an audience that is accustomed to THINKING.
I'm acquainted with an older generation of mujahideen. Men with honor, unlike the current crop. I can think of NO instance in which those men intentionally targetted civilians. Not so with your current "holy warriors".
THEY are cowards. THEY choose to fight those whom they hope can't fight back.
Your fathers were MUCH better men, and I wish they had raised you better. I reckon they were too busy killing enemy SOLDIERS to give you the attention you needed.
Our fathers fought for the same cause, to get rid of foreign occupiers and their sons are doing the same thing. The only difference is that our fathers were fighting your enemy, see at this point I could call you guys cowards for letting the mujahideen do the fighting, the same mujahideen who are fighting America right now.
Originally posted by oozyism
ATS is still cautious to blame Al-Qaeda for the attacks.
Originally posted by TacoBellMakesGas
reply to post by oozyism
They are fighting us for several reasons.
1. They dont like our support of Israel.
2. They think we abuse the Palestinians, even though we give them lots of aid each year.
3. They think we are all infidels because of our lifestyles.
The point is we can support who we like and who we dont, and they can attack us for it, and we can hunt them down and kill them for attacking us. Its pretty simple. Two groups who disagree and cannot resolve it by talking must go to war to settle their differences or must agree to disagree.
In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
ATS has nothing to do with whether Al-Qaeda did it or not...
I honestly don't care if ATS does or not. That's not what they are here for. They are here to present a fair, open and honest forum in which people should be able to debate and discuss openly any subject as long as it doesn't violate the T & C. Other than that ATS will never choose sides. If they ever did they would loose 50% or more of their members.
Lame!
[edit on 2-10-2009 by SLAYER69]
These Jihadists are fighting against the negatives of America.
Originally posted by TacoBellMakesGas
reply to post by oozyism
This is the thing Ooz, what they see as things we have done wrong are things that can be seen as doing what is in our best interests at any particular time. The world is complicated. We make mistakes from time to time. The thing is we are doing what we believe is in our best interests and the mujahideen/AlQueda/Extreme muslims are doing what they think is in their best interests. This is why you have war, because our interests dont match. The problem is when they attack us then it is our right and even duty to do our best to destroy them before they destroy us. We are all innocent and we are all guilty on both sides. It is just the way it is. I just hope we come out on top and they dont.