I started today.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
However meat does taste good to humans... it's our appetites which cause this

The #ing repetitive sick joke, the way we treat animals, or simply that our appetites make meat taste good?!

I don't ever recall being hungry and at the same time thinking of cruel ways to kill animals to satisfy my appetite! Or is it that you meant humanities appetite? Regardless what you have said is wrong and cannot justify this kind of treatment or that kind of MINDSET!

Beef is and will forever be one of my favorite foods! I #ING LOVE BACON, but I am never going to go anywhere near meet (or chicken or fish) for as long as this maltreatment goes on!

You think you're just being rational, no, never mind. I am not going to bother in assuming what you think. Why waste the energy on people who can rationalize things like this.

Some of you here lack a great deal of sensibility.


Knowing about the cruelty involved makes it your duty to stop feeding this pure evil industry... wasn't it all about denying ignorance?!, yet when such topics appear they seem to be full of ignorant replies, or more so ignorant people.

Oh well, why do I even waste my time telling you this? some of you will never learn......

There are a lot of cruelties in this world and there have been since man has existed.
However it also depends on the persons opinion on what cruelty really is.
To some people, watching a Lion stalk and kill a gazelle is cruel but to the lion it is survival.
I hate eating, I wish there were one pill that I could take daily that would give me everything I need to sustain my weight and survive but thats not the case... yet.
I didnt watch the video, dont need to, I already know whats on it and yea it is sad but still, I must eat to survive and Im not down with eating a bushel full of something to get the same sustenance that I can get from one T-bone steak.

reply to post by Kr0n0s


Actually, pound for pound, insects provide more nutrition than farm raised animals. Insects are also easier to raise and require less resources to keep alive. With less land and water being required for using insects as a food crop we are then left with more land for human populations to live in or use for growing more crops.

reply to post by sirnex


Yea... im not eating bugs either.
Pound for pound you say? so eat one pound of grasshoppers or one pound of grade A prime beef?
As i said, i hate eating, so id have to chose the saucer sized piece of meat over a grocery bag full of bugs.

Well guys, hate to say it "Not"..
How do you cull a and extract the fat of those things ?? i am a Survivalist person and all i see is food and a source for my Wick lamp for the extreme cold up the north arctic way, apart from that those things are eating my food sources.. Ask any Fisherman and they are pests that need regular culling.. IMO

ugh. that is all, just

ugh.

reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi


Reading your post was likea ray of sunshine amongst some of the ignorance.

Yes, choosing to eat meat whilst denying what is going on in the process of it reaching your plate is 100% ignorance. If you don't like what is going on then don't eat it- it's that simple. There is nothing I hate more than people who say 'if I think about what I'm eating, it makes me feel sick', or 'I'd rather not know what is going on.'
I'd like to bet there is a large number of people on this site with that attitude who in the same vein proudly shout 'DENY IGNORANCE'!

To deny ignorance, you need to know or at least be willing to know what is going on in everything in the world- not just political, religious affairs etc. You can't pick and choose what you learn about and still hold your head up high, you're still as ignorant as the average joe in the street.

I first watched a video on animal farming when I was 8 and against my families wishes, I went vegetarian and then two years ago I went vegan- it's the best thing I have ever done.

I'm still ignorant to alot in the world but I'm wanting and willing to learn everything I can and my life will reflect that knowledge.

It does no good to be disgusted by an industry and then go and contribute to its growth.

reply to post by JennyJen
Gave you a star for your moral courage matey. But as i stated i am a survivalist and That's food for me and my kin.. In a SHTF situation will you be able to stay meat free ?? i mean your calorie count is going to rocket and you will need every ounce of protein going to support your family and friends , just a query for ya cheers

ps nice cat whats his name

reply to post by Kr0n0s


For those living in a developed country, eating meat is no longer necessary for survival. It is a want, not a need.

I don't have to eat a heap load of food, buy specialist food or the like yet I am healthier than most the people I know.

For example, I work at a gym and so my workmates are very fit and treat their bodies like temples (obviously eating a fair amount of meat) yet whilst one of them was laid up with swine flu for two weeks, unable to move without being sick, I had it and was back to work in 4 days.
I donate blood also and my iron levels are always perfect, whilst my mate who loves his meat is unable to.

People have alot of misconceptions about a veggie/vegan diet, thinking the emphasis is on 'rabbit food', as they put it. It surprises alot of them when they see what awesome food we can have that is incredibly healthy and yummy.

Everyone really needs to get over that barrier and open their mind abit.

Originally posted by HunkaHunka
There is a HUGE difference here...

By saying "It's delicious" It's a comical way of focusing on something true.... our own appetite.

I noticed you didn't quote the joke about slaves. Is that because it's a comical way of focusing on something true, and therefore, the same type of joke as claiming meat is delicious?

I didn't ask you to rate my jokes, nor was I trying to be funny. I was trying to prove a point. You saying meat is delicious in a topic like this mocks the animals being tortured just as much as a racist claiming blacks were well taken care of mocks their slavery.

I'm sorry you can't distinguish between animals and humans enough to realize the similarities but that does not make it any less true.

reply to post by foxhoundone


This isn't about survival... not yet.

If you are out in the woods hunting your prey in the hopes of surviving the winter because you don't have the comfort of a grocer then by all means one must do what they need to survive. However this is not the case of this topic and I don't believe you are out in the woods or what would you be doing posting here?

Ethical treatment a painless death. Would you stand idly by if the types of things they did in this video they performed on your favorite pet? I mean what act of atrocity are you willing to accept? Surely if you heard of humans being skinned or burned alive would you say the same?

I don't disagree with eating meat I disagree with the with the atrocities that are being performed to get that meat.

What is also being missed by many of you who are refusing to watch this is not just what is being done to gather large quantities of beef, poultry, and fish, its also whats being done in local pet stores, vet clinics, and laboratories!

DON'T SIMPLY DISAGREE, LOOK! Or STFU, the process of ending your own personal hypocrisy does not have to be a long one!

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Personally, I would do everything I could to stay vegan in a SHTF situation but I can understand and respect people who won't do that. When its a matter of survival, then the whole natural order of things comes in to play but at the moment, eating meat isn't anything about survival- its greed that funds a cruel industry.

I've stocked up a heck of alot of nuts, pulses, tinned food etc that will provide us with enough food for 6 months, whilst we grow all the plants that I've stored seeds away for. I guess you can't really say for sure what limits you'd be pushed to should the worst happen. I
know that if my cat's were starving, I'd do everything I could to feed them (stocked up on their food too hehe) and if I have kids when the time comes, I will do the same.

Thank you for the star I'm always worried that when I talk about these things, I'll get attacked by some meat heads that claim I'm forcing my views on them, when I'm just trying to take part in a discussion.

(His name is Spencer! He's a Mummys boy hehe)

reply to post by JennyJen


Indeed, before I even thought of being vegetarian or vegan I use to go to a confluence that hosted 'Vegan Nights' and the food was amazing!

reply to post by GenLo



Yeah, if you go to the right place, the food is incredible! Cornwall in England seems to be the epicentre of gorgeous vegan food over here - theres so many good cafes and restaurants, plus the icecream shops stock vegan icecream which you could never tell wasn't the usual kind! Hopefully other places will take note and over the next few years the vegan food industry will explode in the same way that vegetarian meals did. Once you believe in your reasons for going veggie/vegan, the rest is fairly easy! Don't get me wrong, I miss cheese and milk chocolate like anything, I used to be addicted to them (I'd have pretty much a whole block of cheese with my jacket potatoes!) but knowing that I've given them up for a good reason is enough to not break me.

If anyone is more interested in the health side of the meat/dairy industry I'd highly recommend the book, 'Skinny Bitch'. I'd attempted to be a vegan a few times over the years but after reading that book I haven't touched any dairy or the like at all. The writing style isn't for everyones taste but they lay it all out there for you, both ethically and healthwise.

The hubby (who is also vegan) and me went on holiday with a couple of friends last week and took them to a vegan restaurant. I work in a gym with both of them and they are hardcore body builders, loving their protein/meat more than the average joe but they said that was the best meal they had all week. Since we got back, one of them has said he's going veggie, with the idea of going vegan when he's ready and the other has said that she is going to cut all dairy and non-free range meat out of her diet. She isn't against the eating of animals but she is against the cruelty that thrives in the meat industry. I think there would be enough people willing to take a stand against this process to make a difference if they were presented with all the information.
The main problem is just getting them to listen.


(Edited to fix some text)

[edit on 2-10-2009 by JennyJen]

[edit on 2-10-2009 by JennyJen]

well congrats
im going on 3 years this halloween.
but since this is a conspiracy website and not a health/ethics/lifestyle website ill contribute some conspirical anecdotes!
1. meat isnt red, its grey. it is pumped full of dye to amke it look "appealing". why?
2. factory farmed meat is full of contaminates ranging from parasites to cancer causing agents. yet people think and will argue that its nesscessary for your survival. yet 3 years and no diet deficenceies later im healthier than ever, why?
3. alot of people will try and tell you that you "need" protien in meat to live. why is this still being taught, adn why havent people realized this is not even clsoe to true. its 2009 and were developing all kinds of riduclous technlogies and medical advancements, yet most in society act like cavemen when it comes to their own dietary needs. why?
anyway, ive seen all teh videos, and theres plenty more that basicly shwo the same thing as the one you posted. its disgusting and barbaric. and unhealthy .
keep up the good work, give it some tiem and if you do eat a balanced diet i gaurentee you will notice the benefits sooner rather than later, and you wont have to fill your alimentary tract with corpses any more!
yay!
*edit* i know you need protien to live i forgot to type out that you get pelnty from plant based foods.

[edit on 2-10-2009 by STFUPPERCUTTER]

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
its 2009 and were developing all kinds of riduclous technlogies and medical advancements, yet most in society act like cavemen when it comes to their own dietary needs. why?
[edit on 2-10-2009 by STFUPPERCUTTER]

Nicely put! The argument that many meat eaters have is the 'tooth debate' (which drives me insane.) The same ones also claim we are superior to other creatures and evolved to an intelligence that has created incredible pieces of art, music, machinery, architecture etc. Surely those that believe that, can look past the simple argument of what food our teeth were apparently designed to gnaw on? Haven't we overcome the 'hunter/gatherer' instinct which would be natural to us if we hadn't technologically evolved to this degree?

If we followed our instincts, instead of using our brain, we would be the cavemen that we are descended from. Our intelligence should also transfer to the ethical and healthier benefits of a meat free diet, with its reduced fat content, chemicals and unnecessary protein that our bodies can struggle to process.

Use your brains people, don't use your physical attributes to excuse your behaviour.

[edit on 4-10-2009 by JennyJen]

Reply to post by sirnex

And if we were meant to fly we'd have wings right? We are by nature omnivores. It's reflected in our teeth.


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Downloaded this film a few months ago, I thought it was great.
Everyone should watch, it's horrible how people have treated animals and other humans.

[edit on 4-10-2009 by buds84]

Geee. High level of holier than thouism I am seeing. Brow beating others for their eating habits ONLY makes YOU feel better.


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