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Originally posted by drwizardphd
Originally posted by johnny2127
Why does it always seen to be the left that claims to be champions of tolerance, yet are the least tolerant of other opinions?
Its not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of historical fact.
You claimed that Hitler and the Nazis were a leftist party, clearly to push your own political agenda. You were wrong, and some posters attempted to show you that. You refuted them, and continued your anti-left wing tirade.
If you mistakenly believed the nazis were a left wing party when you entered this thread, then that is a sign of an honest mistake.
If you still believe that the nazis were a left wing party after reading the numerous, well thought out, and informative posts to the contrary, then that is a sign of pure ignorance.
We are not here to promote ignorance.
The spectrum follows from left to right – the extreme left is absolute control by the state and the extreme right is absolutely no law or government. Totalitarianism is as extreme left as government gets and anarchy is as extreme right. All other governments fall between those two.
Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
reply to post by mr-lizard
You must be kidding. Capitalism is going to naturally support individualism far more than any other financial system. If you take socialism/communism to the extreme then what you have is a system where everyone is the same, regardless of their contribution to the world.
Originally posted by johnny2127
The spectrum follows from left to right – the extreme left is absolute control by the state and the extreme right is absolutely no law or government. Totalitarianism is as extreme left as government gets and anarchy is as extreme right. All other governments fall between those two.
Originally posted by johnny2127
You misunderstood. I never said the Nazi govt took over and owned the businesses. I said they controlled them. Such as the companies remaining privately owned, but taking their marching orders from the govt.
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by lpowell0627
Why now, why not fight back during the bush era?
It looks bush jr got a lot of freepass to me.
I don't mind if people want to fight back at all. I'm just not sure about their motives or reasonings. Some definitely have legitmate reasons, but again, why now?
Originally posted by Kaploink
The labels would go away if the more extreme part of the Republican party would tone it down a bit. When they are running around with questionable signs, screaming at town meetings about evil socialism, and making statements about armed revolutions, people are going to think they are nuts. They appear to mainstream America just like the guy who screams at everyone on the street corner that they are going to hell.
Originally posted by johnny2127
And here is another that places Hitler in the upper left side of the political spectrum:
With something like Rand's remark in mind, David Nolan, one of the founders of the Libertarian Party, realized that the old idea of a left/right political spectrum was inadequate to capture how it was that people like he and Rand and Jefferson viewed freedom. Instead of a one dimensional scale stretching from Stalin at one end to Hitler at the other, Nolan proposed a two dimensional representation, with different axes for personal freedom and for economic freedom. [This chart can be constructed with equal areas for all five divisions.] The traditional right, high on economic freedom but low on personal freedom, lies at one corner of the chart; the traditional left, high on personal freedom but low on economic freedom, lies at the opposite corner;
but then, indeed, people like Hitler and Stalin, both subordinating personal and economic freedom to the needs of the state, lie rather close together at a corner at right angles to the left/right spectrum, while those who believe in both personal and economic freedom, like Jefferson, belong in the corner directly opposite from Hitler and Stalin, and also at right angles from the traditional left/right spectrum.
Thus, with someone who believes in laissez-faire capitalism but also in the legalization of drugs, prostitution, abortion, and pornography, it is not necessary to split the difference and put them in the "moderate" center of the left/right spectrum, when none of those beliefs are "moderate" in the typical sense of accepting the mixed messages of the status quo. Just as Hitler and Stalin belong close together in the "Authoritarian" corner, so does the radical advocacy of freedom belong in the "Libertarian" corner
Nonetheless, the right-left spectrum is so common as to be taken for granted. Many people even have a hard time conceptualizing any alternative to it. However, numerous alternatives exist, usually having been developed by people who feel their views are not fairly represented on the traditional right-left spectrum.
Perhaps the simplest alternative to the left-right spectrum was devised as a rhetorical tool during the Cold War. This was a circle which brought together the far right and left ends of the traditional spectrum, equating "extreme socialism" (i.e. the Communist Party) with "extreme conservatism" (i.e. Fascism). This nexus was particularly useful to those opposed to rapprochement with the Soviet Union.
Having three axes is a modified Nolan Chart created by the Friesian Institute. It combines the economic liberty and personal liberty axes with positive liberty, creating a cube showing the form of government crossed with the four corners of the Nolan Chart. Another three-dimensional representation is the Vosem Chart, the axes of which represent cultural issues, fiscal issues, and corporate issues.
Originally posted by Walkswithfish
Good, now if we could find a way to motivate all those with guns to shoot all of the extremists on both the right and the left, then those left alive may actually be able to make the country a better place for all.
Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by lpowell0627
Why now, why not fight back during the bush era?
It looks bush jr got a lot of freepass to me.
I don't mind if people want to fight back at all. I'm just not sure about their motives or reasonings. Some definitely have legitmate reasons, but again, why now?
Rasmussen Reports has taken a look at how conservative or liberal the voters are in different aspects of their every day life. They found that 41% of the voters think of themselves as conservative when it comes to the issues of taxes, government spending and the regulation of private business while 41% consider themselves to be moderates and 12% say they are liberal.