Muslims aim to increase their population in Australia!

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Paranoid much, folks?

It wasn't so long ago here in Scotland and in Ireland it was commonplace to see extremely large Catholic families. My very own mother was the second youngest of 13 children. I'm yet to see the Catholics outbreeding everyone else and becoming the majority.

You know i doubt this is gona have an impact on australia or even the world no matter how often they increase in number, because of course no matter how many women they marry, those women are always going to be muslim.

It's not like converting helps. Like they're going to marry atheist, Jew or Christian women - i think not.

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they here in nz in larger number than australia, and we have a smaller population so if they're gonna take over anywhere it would be here first

if that is truly their goal like you say they are in for some rough times.. don't think the natives would be too happy either

just something to think about also... i personally haven't had any bad run ins with islam or w/e so im not gonna comment on that ...but i personally take a disliking to them building mosques here as we don't do that to them as it would be insulting to their religion.

by all means they should come here but islam should stay in islamia or wherever the hell it came from...

Prey at home
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Islam as a religion bothers me becase more often than not its about killing those who don't belive in it and thats just plan wrong.

I know in this thread Islam is the topic but I am against any religion that is join or die.

Sharia law is akin to a dictatorship and it has control over every single part of a persons life. If where to come to my country I would fight it to the death not because I hate Islam but because I refuse to bow down to someone elses idea of god and how to live my life.

China, USA and Russia will never allow sharia law to happen but I can see it happening in some of the smaller countries.

If it does happen like in Afganistan sharia law does not allow any music but religous no movies, no drinking, no woman working. the economys in any country that takes sharia law will disapear and they would turn into third world countries.

I seen a memeber calling another racist during this discussion why did you feel the need to do that? ohh wait I know becuase there way of thinking does not fit yours.


Here on ATS we all have a voice and if you can't discuss a topic without proper arguments for one side or the other why even post.

Calling someone a racist is no way to win an arugument

Originally posted by NoJoker13
Could this topic be any more rasist?

How can this topic be racist if 'islam' (like all religions) is 'an opinion of the mind' and not a geographical location'?

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Originally posted by watchZEITGEISTnow
this post seems - what's the word I'm looking for....?

anti something

I thought religious vilification was not allowed on such a fine ethical upstanding site?

Shouldn't this be labeled "HOAX" or something of this effect?

how ... odd

looks like the muslim card is being played again - kind of sad to see so many taking the bait (or seeding it..)

Just because it fits in a box, and you want to give that box the label of "muslim hate" doesn't mean it HAS to go into that box.

You know, sometimes, there is actually some fire where there is smoke.

But then, that only applies when we're talking thermite and towers.. Then it's all hands on deck sheeples !

Originally posted by karl 12
Found this to be an interesting video -if its not propaganda of course.

www.youtube.com...

Any demographic experts out there?

Hey there Karl 12 .

The second video examines the statistics used in the Muslim Demographics video that you posted a link too. Yes it is propaganda .


I`ll embed them both .

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Muslim Demographics



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A closer look at the statistics .........
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Muslim Demographics : The Truth



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Originally posted by wycky
I have always believed this to be the case, that's why they always have so many kids, probably 4-5 on average and a non Muslim family is something like 1.2 or 1.5 ( i read these figures a while ago)
Also there is 1.5 billion Muslim and Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, obviously due to the amount of kids they have.

In reply to a question asking about a Muslim couple delaying having children (using birth control) -

Linky

Thirdly: The prominent Muslim scholar and Da`iyah, (caller to Islam) Sheikh `Abdul-Khaleq Hasan Ash-shareef, states:

“ No doubt that begetting children is one of the primary objectives of marriage in Islam. Allah Almighty has permitted Muslims to marry in order to populate the earth and to quench their sexual urge through a legal channel.

Leaders as well as the segregated sections are espousing this concept.

It's easy to sweep it under the rug and claim it's a small percentage of the whole.... But think how LARGE the whole is. Thats one huge slice of pie.

Back before the Sydney Islamic online Forums closed to Public access, I used to read some abhorrent things... Oh well, too many tollerists, to put it politely, making it rosey..

Originally posted by Kram09
I am sure a lot of the things people are saying about muslims, the Nazis said about the Jews.

They breeding to take over!

Global domination!

Just a reminder Muslims are human beings not rats.

Are not people - including Muslims - still saying things about the Jews?

Originally posted by SkitzoFrenic
reply to post by karl 12

 

It's not propaganda,

The muslim woman in the interview clearly states that this is their goal, to pupulate other countries and to breed, and by increasing their numbers they take over in that way.

She states that the mosks tell the men to marry and to have babies for the simple reason as to increase and take over.

So that video is spot on!

Uuuh just because one woman has that opinion, it does not mean it's true. Maybe there are a tiny amount out of a billion with her same pov. But most muslims are simply doing what everyone else is doing, living life with a family with no secret motives.

Most go meet up with friends for coffee and a chat about normal things, they don't have secret meetings where they talk about taking over the world lmao.

(I am from a muslim family and I know many muslims very well, so I have a pretty decent idea of what muslims in general get up to in their spare time)


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Originally posted by andre18
You know i doubt this is gona have an impact on australia or even the world no matter how often they increase in number, because of course no matter how many women they marry, those women are always going to be muslim.

Not true at all. I am half moroccan (welsh mother, moroccan father) and I know quite a few mixed people with different parents from egypt, morocco etc and england.

Muslim men marry non muslims all the time, ( i think they have to be christian or jew, but not athiest) I would guess that arabs do it more often thou. I feel that maybe pakistanis etc stick to their own kind more.

By the way I think one of the main reasons Islam is a growing religon these days is because quite a few people convert to it, they go look it up and take interest in it by their own will.
But with christians, you see them everywhere trying to convert everyone on the streets etc, which is kind of offputting I guess.




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Do people honestly think Muslims will take over purely through numbers? Theres millions and millions of 'us' the ones who are being controlled etc, and we're still only controlled by a handful of tossers.

People don't realise that if they keep flying up in numbers like they are then the areas they originate from will get more desolate and they will get poorer in general and it'll end up like africa with the majority living in poverty. Leave em to it!

I don't see why its a problem either way, the way people are talking its as if we'd just sit back and let them take over, if it gets to the point where there is violence involved (which it will, with what a violent religion its turning into/already is) and fighting for land or freedoms then I know for a fact I will.. I just won't do it the faggot way of blowing up some innocent people while I'm at it

Originally posted by Kaploink

Originally posted by SkitzoFrenic
It really irritates me...

Muslims,,,their goal ? populate and take over the world country by country...

How is this different from Christians who send missionaries to every place in the world in an attempt to increase membership? I am sure most of us have been visited by Christian missionaries at our homes at some point working on their conversion of everyone. I have been visited by Mormons, Jehova Witnesses and Baptists missionaries.

So, I would think the problem is not specifically with Islam, but with any large organized religion who's goal is to take over the world.

Well, in a way you are correct. But in another, I disagree.

Missionaries go willy nilly to places they are not wanted in order to preach their brand of faith. They are seen as purposely forcing something into a culture that otherwise has no idea about it. Yes that is wrong. I disagree with it.

But, Islam - as we see it today - is not forcing it's faith onto the host countries they arrive at. They are building a grounding by which with numbers, they can become the majority and with that power they would gain control.

Very subversive. And while I have a strong opinion on this, I hesitate to blanket the entire Muslim religion, I see differing levels of zealousness from passive to absolute fanatical.

I've worked with some Muslims who even compared to each other, were so different it was an eye opener. One was strict during Ramadan, strict during prayer each day etc, the other drank vodka, enjoyed her marriage to a kaffir, and pretty much the only thing that made her Islamic was her own admission and her not eating pork. Oh and she admitted she had been mutilated at birth.

She felt bad when people blamed Islam for the terrorists within it. She made me realise that outside of the extreme sections, there are still ordinary people who follow this religion.

BUT it doesn't negate the fact, there is a hardcore element - and it's not a small segment, I believe it's a very large and silent segment - that are intent on the things people rather not discuss.....

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by SkitzoFrenic

 

Are you a christian? It is in the christian doctrine to have as many children as possible as well...generally every organized religion pushes this.

The only reason anyone is up in arms is because they are anti-muslim(i.e., a bigot).

Can't see the arguments for the emotionally blocked nose.

*hands cappn an emotional kleenex*

Hope it's not the emotional swine flu, we'll have to force you to take the Eh1n1 shot or arrest you and put you in a cell!!!

Just have babies... you don't even need to compete with them in numbers... Just be in a positive population growth and they will never overtake you and end up not converting but being the converted.

The only real reason they have that many kids is they are not so selfish on a level.

If you care, reproduce make their numbers swell your rank, no kids can be raised in a dominant culture and not become that culture in a generation or two if they are out numbered and remain that way.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Aeons
Secular law.

They are forced to live under a secular law. One Law. Human Rights.

Terrible. The things we force onto people.

Of course, they could just choose to not live in such a rotten place as a land with secular human rights.

Really? You honestly contend the laws of most of Europe and all of America are not based solely on christianity?

Also, I am going to throw your rhetoric right back at you: If the muslim population increases in Australia, you can always choose not to live there. So again, how is it infringing upon your rights?


Seems like a VERY narcissistic point of view....

What? How are they FORCED to live under anything? Last I heard, Migrants CHOOSE to move. If they don't really plan ahead and consider their destination, why the flapping butmonkey should WE feel obliged to go "Oh snap, we better start thinking about this, they're unappy!"

Here's a cracker for your parrot - What would you say to the Aborigines who may feel putout by a majority Muslim population in Australia? Where would you suggest they go?

Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by d2che

 

Exactly what a bunch of idiots.

Contributing such phenomenal arguments is sure to persuade people to think about things, and not ... wait, where was I...

Originally posted by Nammu
Paranoid much, folks?

It wasn't so long ago here in Scotland and in Ireland it was commonplace to see extremely large Catholic families. My very own mother was the second youngest of 13 children. I'm yet to see the Catholics outbreeding everyone else and becoming the majority.

Yeah the 1800's and 1900's could afford population growth. Now we can't. Do the math.