Iran won't be attacked (stop crying HATERS)

Firstly in regards to Iran's nuclear program:

The IAEA reiterated September 17, 2009, that it “has no concrete proof that Iran has or has ever had a nuclear weapons programme.”

IAEA: No Evidence That Iran Has Ever Had A Nuclear Weapons Program

Iran is smart, they are following all internation laws not giving any chance for a justified war. Umm ofcurse it can be orchestrated like Iraq but if that happens alot of countries will be pissed off and you know what that means.

But currently let's be obtimistic:

US welcomes Iran inspection offer

Hillary Clinton, the US secretary of state, has welcomed Iran's decision to allow International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) inspectors into a newly disclosed uranium enrichment plant.

Clinton told reporters in New York on Saturday that "It is always welcome when Iran makes a decision to comply with the international rules and regulations, and particularly with respect to the IAEA".

english.aljazeera.net...

They haven't broken any International laws, unlike the US and Israel which are continuing their illegal operations, hence GAZA and DRONE attacks:

According to the BBC, the "overwhelming view" of the international community is that the settlements are illegal based upon Article 49 of the Geneva Convention.[66]

The consensus view is largely based on UN Security council resolutions, including resolutions 446, 452, 465, 471 and 476 which find the settlements to be illegal.[67] In Resolution 465 the settlements are even described as a "flagrant violation". Separately also the legal arm of the UN, the International Court of Justice, has found the settlements to be illegal under international law.[68]

International human rights groups Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and B'Tselem have denounced the settlements as illegal.[69][70][71]

The European Union considers the settlements to be illegal.[72] The reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions declared in 2001 that the settlements are illegal.[73]

The United Nations General Assembly has passed several resolutions denouncing all settlements in the occupied territories as illegal. Below is a summary of voting records concerning such resolutions from 2006-2008[74]:

But ofcurse it is Israel, what can we do, we can't bomb Israel for breaking international laws but Iran...

What pisses me off is the fact that some in ATS actually justify the military option against Iran.

No one bombed America for its illegal occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq. No one bombed Israel for taking hostage the whole Gaza blocking it completly from outside. They are prisoners not allowed to leave, or stay and have a life worth living:

It said a court could find that the blockade of Gaza is itself a crime against humanity. Israel continues to tightly restrict goods entering Gaza to staples and humanitarian supplies, saying that lifting these restrictions would allow Hamas to smuggle weapons into the Strip.

tvnz.co.nz...

Why don't we blockade Israel? So they don't get any weapons.

Why isn't military option available against Israel and the US? Or Russia?

I guess it is true even in nation level that if you are rich you can swurve around laws. Just like the rich bastards in individual level who pay millions to lawyers, and the warlords who have guns therefore can easily avoid justice.

America has both, money and guns, I wish I had that.

Thank you for your time

oozy

Yeah...
They will.

Sure it's going to piss the Iraqi's off they are going to have 200 jets flying over their nation, but they won't have the balls to down them with America on guard.

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this is not about IRAN

it's about ISREAL

Except for the fact is has recentley been found that iran has had a secret nuclear facility, now if your following all sanctions and have no plans for a nuclear weapons program why do you have underground secret facility?

why out of curiosity do you defend iran? , sorry to say but if i had to pick one (and i think you eventually will) i'll take isreal thx.

It depends on the commander in chief.
Chief wants to go to war, there'll be war.
Chief doesn't want to go, there'll be no war.
Do you think the chief wants it or not?

Israel can go alone if they want to.

Originally posted by huntergatherer


this is not about IRAN

it's about ISREAL

It is about the international community. America is not in any position to do any thing right now against Iran since both Afghanistan and Iraq can easily be destabilized destroying the influence of America. Israel needs that influence because without it, it can't exist for long.

Alot of countries around the globe is pissed with Israel, don't forget to take that in to consideration.

reply to post by Gixxer


No one found out any thing, Iran told them about the fascility. That was their obligation under internation law and they followed it. Get it?

Why underground?

Well because of all the threats they have recieved from the US and Israel.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
It depends on the commander in chief.
Chief wants to go to war, there'll be war.
Chief doesn't want to go, there'll be no war.
Do you think the chief wants it or not?

Israel can go alone if they want to.

Israel can go alone, but alot of pissed off people will be even more pissed off. They are already breaking many international laws which is pissing the internation community off. This will probably be the last straw and Israel knows it. They are not stupid

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What about Barack?
If Barack wants it, will there be a war?

I think it is all hype because right now, it is all about taking down China. I honestly support anything Iran does. Sorry but Israel is a bleeping bully and I hate bullies. I also hate the U.S. government - not the U.S. itself - because of how it dictates what the U.N. does. "Hey, you might want to check Iran and their nuclear program. " U.N.: "Yessa, na, massa boss ya! Na, I-ran, you need'n get rid o' them nu-nu- them new-clear-ar weap-pans."

I hate the U.N. Always on its knees in front of the U.S.'s waist, but then again, the U.S. help create the U.N. for its own benefit so it is no wonder the U.N.'s knees are dirty.

The video included shows the real U.N.

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by oozyism

 

What about Barack?
If Barack wants it, will there be a war?

Barack does not have the funds to make a war happen nor the say-so. If the elites want the war to happen, it will happen. Plus, do America even have enough soldiers left to support another war if it was possible?

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by oozyism

 

What about Barack?
If Barack wants it, will there be a war?

Even if Barack wants it, it is out of his hands. We don't know what he wants, but we do know what position he is in. He knows probably through his advisors that Iran can destabilize both Iraq and Afghanistan putting at risk the American soldiers and American influence.

If America dies in Iraq and Afghanistan similar to the USSR (in Afghanistan) then you can expect revolts in the Arab nations which would be a huge set back for the American empire.

If there is going to be an attack against Iran, it will most likely come from Isreal. Based off of what I have heard, the prime minister of Isreal is waiting to hear what the UN Security council and the others have to say before they act. I am hoping that the reports come out and state that Iran is telling the truth and that all they are doing is making enriched Uranium for just energy purposes, and not for weapons.
But there is an awful lot of sabre rattling going on. And one should give pause when the leader of a country keeps making threats against another country, at times you ignore it, but when you add in sabre rattling, then attention needs to be given.
All those in the middle east agree, no one in the middle east needs to be armed with Nuclear weapons, cause all it will take it one country having such and then we will have a new arms race going on.

Originally posted by DevilJin
it is all about taking down China.

How so? I don't quite see the relation yet, perhaps you can enlighten me.
It'll be very interesting though, if it's true.

reply to post by sdcigarpig


Where is Israel? Is it in Europe? They have un-declared nuclear weapons. Do you believe that is dangerous? How can we disarm the world if Israel has undeclared nuclear weapons.

reply to post by oozyism


Like the others have already stated, if Obama wants a war, he'll get one.

But since these things have been going on since May, I think the whole thing is a farce. Brown and Obama did something/signed something that pales the whole Iran issue.

Just my humble opinion.

I hope they can delay any attack until Iraq oil wells are pumping at 110% capacity or else the world will be thrown into utter chaos

Originally posted by mikerussellus
reply to post by oozyism

 

Like the others have already stated, if Obama wants a war, he'll get one.

But since these things have been going on since May, I think the whole thing is a farce. Brown and Obama did something/signed something that pales the whole Iran issue.

Just my humble opinion.

But do you believe decision is made based on conditions? That Obama will take into consideration the deteriorating situation in Middle East, and one more spark could inflame the whole area putting in risk the influence America has in that region.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy

Originally posted by DevilJin
it is all about taking down China.

How so? I don't quite see the relation yet, perhaps you can enlighten me.
It'll be very interesting though, if it's true.

We can both agree that China is the rising super power, right? That must go.

Right now, China supports the current Sudanese regime in order to have a hand in the oil business and also other economic resources. The U.S. wants China out of Africa in order to get it to search for those resources elsewhere, specifically Russia. China has a very good relationship with Russia that the U.S. wants to break. If you break that relationship, then you can play those two powers against each other.

The main goal of the U.S. is to get a Democratic state near the borders of China in order to have more influences. This way the U.S. can build - you guess it - a military base near the China's borders. The U.S. has done this in various places, most recently in Afghanistan and Iraq. I was shocked that Iran did not try to incite a revolt by the Shiite Muslims in Iraq which made up more a third of the Muslim population in Iraq.

In Afghanistan, the U.S. has an oil pipeline and also expanding the Afghan war into northern Pakistan in order to destabilize the Pakistani government. This is important because Pakistan also has a good relationship with China.

The enemy you are pointed to by the media is never the real enemy. Example: Osama Bin Laden after 9/11





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reply to post by DevilJin


You are correct, the old powers won't allow new powers to rise because it means the resources then needs to be shared.

Iran I think is also trying to survive long enough to become a power similar to China, they have the capability. They are not giving the old powers any justification for an attack.