A lesson in American History- Revolutionary War

I found this interesting.

The Americans of 1776 were not all patriots. In fact, according to John Adams' estimates, about one third were patriots, one third loyalists, and one third were either neutral or indifferent.

The whole article is a good read.

www.historycentral.com...

Were it happen today, I'd say maybe 10% patriots, 10% loyalist and 80% too busy watching TV.

"Oh but aint that america, for you and me
Aint that america, were someting to see baby
Aint that america, home of the free
Little pink houses for you and me"

--John Mellencamp "Pink Houses"

While I agree that there are to many lemmings in America.
I believe that the numbers are out there for the cause. The problem is organizing them.
I am not an organizer, wish I was, but they are out there ready and willing.
We only need someone that is good at Organizing.

reply to post by Iseekthetruth!!!!!!!!


I am the organizer. Let the revolution begin!

Hold on, we might need more than an organizer. Let the revolution be put on standby!

reply to post by Nosred


You guys, before you go and start organizing a revolution, keep this in mind:

War is hell. Violence is hell. There is nothing glorious about killing another human being, no matter how many war movies you watch. Take a look at the Viet Nam vets on the street. Take a look at the Iraq and Afghanistan vets on the street. Do you think they feel that their time was glorious over there? No, war is hell.

Do we need a revolution? Yes, I'd say we need some drastic changes.

Is killing the way? No. Killing is never the way, unless you are protecting your own life as self defense. Is your own life in danger? Not that I can see right now.

A violent revolution will only leave death, destruction, and misery in its wake. Do you really want to be responsible for causing people death, disease, trauma when a peaceful movement (think Ghandi or Martin Luther King) will work just as well?

Think out of the box. Think creaetively. So, voting doesn't work..... we can't beat the political machine. Think of something else....think of another form of protesting. The Constitution gives us the right to protest. It does not give us the right to kill.

If the type of protesting that is happening right now isnt' working, think of another form of protest. Ghandi did that. MLK did that. It worked. Peaceful protest works....study their methods.

Do not stoop to the lowest level to achieve your cause. If you do have to stoop to the lowest level (killing), then are you really any better than the people you wish to triumph over? I say no.



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LMAO,
I am serious, if there were some people that knew how to, one find the people ( they are out there) then, two organize them we would have a fighting force.
I think most of the lemmings would be neutral, they would be watching the action from their T.V.'s.

revolutions eat their leaders .

in every great struggle.. there are only 10 to 20 people in charge .

revolutions are just riots that have no specific location , but a common voice .

more that a bumper sticker , less than an idea .... a common injustice , something that is shared by the whole population .

but never forget , conservitives will line other conservitives up against the wall and shoot them...

liberal dem's will hang liberal dem's in rage ...

marxist and communists will hunt down those responcible for their problems .... and kill them in their sleep .

and they will all be looking for the guy or gal who organized the revolution ....

their common community organizer...

the diffrence between a patriot and a traitor is only in who wins and who loses ... and what day it is .

those who keep their passions under lock and key , their eyes open , mouth shut , slow to lead , quick to follow , honor first , family safe , friends around them and enemys in fear will , survive .

lose your calm and lose your life .

when it comes , it will surprise you how quickly it will come .
you will feel it in your heart , know it with your mind , and be powerless to stop it.

you will not know which side to be on , or know which side will win .... but you will know .. who you stand with , might be the diffrence between life and death ....

people with street smarts will suddenly be humbled and stunned at being caught totaly unaware .

smart people with power will be in the powerless poverty of the street .

people who sell their great knowledge of systems ... will suddenly know nothing of value , and have nothing of value to offer .

strong men will be the target of snipers , great wealth will bring great danger .... and apathy will get you killed .


any one that wishs for revolution , is mad !

anything is better , with the exception of slavery .
no one fights in a revolution... people simply are kill'd


"the death of a single man is a tragidy
the death of a million men is a statistic"
joesph stalin

Originally posted by nikiano
reply to post by Nosred

 

War is hell. Violence is hell. There is nothing glorious about killing another human being, no matter how many war movies you watch. Take a look at the Viet Nam vets on the street. Take a look at the Iraq and Afghanistan vets on the street. Do you think they feel that their time was glorious over there? No, war is hell.

Do we need a revolution? Yes, I'd say we need some drastic changes.

Is killing the way? No. Killing is never the way, unless you are protecting your own life as self defense. Is your own life in danger? Not that I can see right now.

a peaceful movement (think Ghandi or Martin Luther King) will work just as well?

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I agree was is hell. As far as the Vietnam, I have several family members that served and are more than willing to Fight For The Constitution of Our Country.
Military oath at the time of Viet Nam:
I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.

Current Military Oath:
I, [name], do solemly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Constitution of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the Governor of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___, that I make this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the Office of [grade] in the Army/Air National Guard of the State (Commonwealth, District, Territory) of ___ upon which I am about to enter, so help me God.

Interesting change huh?



On January 30, 1948, (as an aside, that was a whole different era) Gandhi was walking toward his evening prayer meeting in front of a congregation of about five hundred people when he was approached by a Hindu extremist named Nathuram Godse. Gandhi put his palms together in a traditional gesture of greeting. Godse pulled out a pistol and shot three bullets into Gandhi's chest at point-blank range.

Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated by a man with the name James Earl Ray, who shot him with a rifle. Dr. King was shot on April 4, 1968 on the balcony of his motel room in Memphis, Tennessee.

Originally posted by readerone

when it comes , it will surprise you how quickly it will come .
you will feel it in your heart , know it with your mind , and be powerless to stop it.

you will not know which side to be on , or know which side will win .... but you will know .. who you stand with , might be the diffrence between life and death ....

people with street smarts will suddenly be humbled and stunned at being caught totaly unaware .

smart people with power will be in the powerless poverty of the street .

people who sell their great knowledge of systems ... will suddenly know nothing of value , and have nothing of value to offer .

strong men will be the target of snipers , great wealth will bring great danger .... and apathy will get you killed .


anything is better , with the exception of slavery .
no one fights in a revolution... people simply are kill'd

The (side) would be the Constitution of the United States.
The fight will be Your Freedom which is being erroded by the Government little by little. It is now to the point that there are Thousands of American People willing to fight for OUR FREEDOM.

reply to post by Iseekthetruth!!!!!!!!



freeman or free of this earth .

that said , I have seen revolution up close and person in spain in the late 1970's

I have absolutly no fear of death , I am an abrasive , grumpy old , pushy guy that can take care of myself thank you very much .

but what I know is : the constitution is worth dieing for .

but if and when the time comes , we will all just want to go home , sit in a comfortable chair befor a warm fire ... and ask

why do they keep comming , why don't they stop comming at us.

the active concept will be : it will be bad .

and the one thing you can count on... nothing good will come of it.

no genaration is free with out struggling for it , and apathy is the very best way to end up dead .

reply to post by readerone


I can only Pray that something Will come of it. We have exausted all other actions. This is going to happen, and I Will die for Our Freedom as Many others have before me.
Our country and Our Freedom is worth fighting for!

I have good news and bad news

the bad news... the rally will not last , and a collape of the stock market is comming .

the bottom of this economic down turn will start , we will not start comming out of it .... untill you start seeing inflation in prices.

this means its going to reach 20% to 30% unemployment .
and it will be bad .


the good news: the fedaral goverment will colapse when the economy fails .
tax from a stone is dust .

the bad news , they attempt a socialist / communist take over then . and the only thing stopping them... no money , no power.

the peaceful revolution will be the money shutting off, and the return of the goverment being afraid of the citizen.

the simple answers are... never forget.... I want my constitution , and everything the goverment does sux's ...

frankly , I am not afraid of loseing our country at the point of a gun.... I am afraid of loseing it to apathy .

Originally posted by nikiano
reply to post by Nosred

 

You guys, before you go and start organizing a revolution, keep this in mind:



Do we need a revolution? Yes, I'd say we need some drastic changes.

Is killing the way? No. Killing is never the way, unless you are protecting your own life as self defense. Is your own life in danger? Not that I can see right now.

Based on the depopulation agenda, swine flu being a bioweapon, out of control police, I would say, yes, though not immediate.

A violent revolution will only leave death, destruction, and misery in its wake. Do you really want to be responsible for causing people death, disease, trauma when a peaceful movement (think Ghandi or Martin Luther King) will work just as well?

Protip: MLK was murdered, nothing really came from him other than blacks believing that whites owed them everything.

Think out of the box. Think (creaetively). So, voting doesn't work..... we can't beat the political machine. Think of something else....think of another form of protesting. The Constitution gives us the right to protest. It does not give us the right to kill.

lolwut? I believe the constitution does not give TPTB the right to do what they are doing either.....if we play by the petty rules, we lose.

If the type of protesting that is happening right now isnt' working, think of another form of protest. Ghandi did that. MLK did that. It worked. Peaceful protest works....study their methods.

Do not stoop to the lowest level to achieve your cause. If you do have to stoop to the lowest level (killing), then are you really any better than the people you wish to triumph over? I say no.



[edit on 27-9-2009 by nikiano]