overdosed america - the real drug dealers

Originally posted by Vikturtle
I fired the doctor, after throwing quite a tantrum in the office and then weaned myself off HRT.

Good for you because as I see it, women have been 'losing their hormones' for millennium and never needed a pill for it!!

There are plenty of herbs what will and CAN help us/woman transition into this natural process.

Doctors are the REAL drug dealers of the world and it's no surprise that many MANY politicians (see Rumsfeld) are prime shareholders in the pharmaceutical industry as well.

Originally posted by thing fish
i guess i am the only one here that does not totally agree. some people NEED to be on meds. i will use myself as an example. i take three and 1/2 pills per day and they keep me stable. if i did not have them i would be off my rocker.
they are psych meds and they work.


i will also say that about a year ago i had a prostate infection and i had to take cipro. i wanted to die man. it was the most miserable week of my life. i NEEDED the cipro.

not all meds are bad it's just that sometimes they are over prescribed

Do you ever ask yourself WHY you need the meds? To me it's like putting a bandaid on a broken bone. Why would you be off your rocker?? What's the underlaying and REAL issue here? Diving deeper and COPING is what you need or perhaps some hemp! Or green tea? Or St Johns Wort? Or just a good friend to listen to ya!

Prostate infection? A real thing but again, what caused this? We're not getting infections, viruses, cancers from 'nothing'. (I was going to say 'thin air' but who knows....that might be a culprit too with these-here chemtrails).

Sorry sweetie, pills are not the answer. We should learn the tricks and trades of ancient cultures.

I would not knock Medication too much for it has increased our quality life span by 50 years, even with less exercise and good food that our ancestors had. The problem is with the people taking meds that they don’t need, or taking meds for a problem that can be fixed with another non-med way. So you are overweight, and totally out of shape, and because of that you take 20 pills a day, where if you lost the weight and actually worked your body a little you would be taking maybe 1 or 2, or none.

With that said, there are many people who really need their drugs for a quality life, but they are of a minority to what is really going on here.

Originally posted by TwoPhish
Sorry sweetie, pills are not the answer. We should learn the tricks and trades of ancient cultures.

Even though I dislike how the whole pharmaceutical environment works I see much of this as a fairly tale too. I do think there are good parts to both, but a person who doesn’t see this on either side of the issue is really limiting themselves to ALL that can be helpful.

reply to post by TwoPhish


i need to be on meds cause i'd be off my rocker if i didn't have them. mental condition and all.
about the prostate infection. i don't know how i got it. does it really matter though? the fact is i got it and i was miserable. if i did not have the cipro it would have been much worse.

i think that some meds are over prescribed but for certain illnesses people need to be medicated. all the st johns wort and fish oil in the world is not going to help. just my opinion though

reply to post by MikeNice81
thanks for the link. this answers many questions for me.

It concludes: "Males of species from each of the main classes of vertebrate animals (including bony fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals) have been affected by chemicals in the environment. "Feminisation of the males of numerous vertebrate species is now a widespread occurrence..."

www.abovetopsecret.com... and the source www.independent.co.uk...

i just don't know what to say. this is si-fi. i honestly don't know what to say.

on the other link about amphibians (www.nytimes.com...), i have personally experienced the deformities in frogs. the first thing that came to mind was our ecosystem is in trouble and i attributed it to the metals from chemtrails.

looking at your link about endocrine disruptors i went to en.wikipedia.org... and just about came off my chair:

Types of endocrine disruptors All people are exposed to chemicals with estrogenic effects in their everyday life, because endocrine disrupting chemicals are found in low doses in literally thousands of products. Chemicals commonly detected in people include DDT, Polychlorinated biphenyls (PCB's), Bisphenol A, Polybrominated diphenyl ethers (PBDE's), and a variety of Phthalates.[49] There is a some dispute in the scientific community surrounding the claim that these chemicals actually disrupt the endocrine system. Many believe that there is little evidence that the degree of exposure in humans is enough to warrant concern,[20][29] while many others believe there is evidence that these chemicals pose some risk to human health.[50][51][52] Some researchers are investigating the health risks to children of endocrine disrupting chemicals. Bisphenol A has come under a great deal of scrutiny as it is a common component of plastic baby bottles. In March 2007, a class action lawsuit was filed in California charging that manufacturers and retailers of plastic baby bottles failed to warn consumers that their products contained Bisphenol A, a chemical that they allege poses developmental and health risks to infants and children.[53]

en.wikipedia.org...

i'm going to have to read more and ponder the seriousness of what is happening because of the drug and chemical companies all for the sake of money. this is so sad, really.

thanks for the information. you have given me much to think about.

Originally posted by TwoPhish
Our immune systems were born perfect upon birth (unless conceived by drug tainted parents. Knowingly or through medical vaccinations)

i agree with you on the indiginous people or people outside the united states (we seem to be a target) but since i read about endocrine disruptors en.wikipedia.org... it seems to contradict that statement. just take a look at the link www.endocrinedisruption.com... and discover this:

In the early 1990’s, it was revealed that the traditional toxicological testing protocols used to determine chemical safety had completely missed vast numbers of chemicals that penetrate the womb and interfere with the construction and programming of developing animals, including humans.

i have just been reading into links provided by one poster that covers the castration of our males.

Originally posted by Xtrozero
So you are overweight, and totally out of shape, and because of that you take 20 pills a day, where if you lost the weight and actually worked your body a little you would be taking maybe 1 or 2, or none.

I completely agree with you with what you pointed out and was thinking of making a similar reply.

I know a fellow, who is overweight. He takes meds for high cholesteral, high blood pressure, diabetes, and pain medication for his feet and back.

He refuses to change his diet to lose weight, which alone would cure all his ills, and he has been told this by more than one Dr.

Some people are just pig headed, and find it easier to take a pill, rather than do what would make them healthy by common sense.

This is the type of person that pharmacuetical companies love, and there are a lot of them out there.

I totally agree with the OP.

Sure there are meds people need to take. I have seizures and my thyroid is a little sluggish, so I take meds for that, but as has been said, there are people taking 30 different meds a day and children who are dependent on anti-depressants to function. YOUNG children!

I believe this is because of the Pharmaceutical Corporations and their lobbying power. I actually don't get any more involved with the AMA than I have to to keep from having seizures. They're always trying to push tests and drugs on me. Can't sleep? Take a pill! (I quit drinking coffee and now I sleep fine). Feeling down? Take a pill! (I now swim every day and feel great!) Legs restless? Take a pill! (Drink lots of WATER and RLS goes away).

I was appalled when by brother visited here to see the amount of drugs he takes every day. It's just sad. A drugged society is a more controllable society...

TwoPhish.

again yesterday my sister and i with friends were
discussing this very matter. back in the "olden times" the only drugs
being ingested were street drugs. no pain killers, no male/female
enhancement pills, no pills that stop a female's cycle 3/4 of a year,
no restless leg syndrom pills (ha ha ha), no
anti-depressants...........i mean the list could go on and on.
disease (although we had 'em) were not as mainstream as they are now
and i mean mainstream. if i am not mistaken wasn't viagra initially
developed for blood pressure control
www.medicinenet.com... and
discovered a better use to cure (ED)?

now we have the same diseases in our dogs and cats! and people are
spending billions on medications and surgeries for animals. i love
animals so don't spin on that statement.

even w/out knowing what i know right now raising my children, common
sense told me to let nature takes it course and let the body heal
itself w/out antibiotics.

i want to scream too.

10001011

you are right about reform in healthcare.

So this journal is really not about the political debate. Of course, neither side has it right, but that's beside the point. If we want an efficient, intelligent and generally acceptable solution to the healthcare conundrum, all we need to do is to change to a nonprofit system. Not a government run system or a profit-based system, but rather one that is simply designed to pay for itself without the added burden of providing profits for shareholders.

www.unknowncountry.com...

Violet Sky

hum, chemtrails and drug companies and military. so, you really
talking about the ones who own and control; those who are
systematically killing the human race off one by one.

liveandlearn

i like your avatar and yes people think that a pill is going to solve
the problem but only addresses the symptons and introduces yet more
physical and mental side affects.

Vikturtle

you sound so much like me. a similar event happened to a cousin who
was incorrectly diagnosed having chrome disease. he never did and
they almost killed him. i rarely see a doctor and i am completely off
pharmaceutical drugs and at 56 i feel pretty darn good. bring on the
street drugs! ha ha ha ha


Xtrozero

i agree, there is a good side to medications and sometimes necessary
as stated above. back when i was growing up i had to be running an
extremely high fever to get an antibiotic and it would have an almost
immediately affect; however, the abuse of this medication led to an
immunity to the drug and a stronger antibiotic has to be developed.
they also develop the disease 'cause they have the cure.

Benevolent Heretic

you summed it up pretty good. i believe we have in nature and in
common sense to eliminate most ills. please note, i also believe
nature is being polluted and what is being produced in nature now has
been altered......say from the barium salts, aluminum oxide, iron,
zinc and other metals being introduced in our atmosphere by
chemtrails.