No such thing as.............

No, it would be the Kinda New Dictionary. Then would have the Older Dictionary. Then the Dwiven Hiven Dictionary. Then....... You get the picture Bandit.(Still a good joke though)

Two main questions.

Why if they don't agree do they expect others to believe they are right religon?

Why do they have 50 billion versions of the bible each one different? Have several myself just for the ability to show how with same font, but some dozens pages longer or shorter than another. Then main places where god orders infantcide and incest and so forth. It is good to knopw the ignorant, I mean enemy.

How can a simple name of the christian church affect our beleif in Jesus Christ?
You dont go looking for the truth in ""whats in a name""
Christianity was founded by the apostles of Jesus Christ... The Nicene Creed (i beleive in one God etc...)was formed so that christianity could be established in one beleif system....As for the so many christian sects that have been established that is because Man wanted their own beleifs and not what Jesus Christ taught.
there was one church "holy catholic and apostolic church"(no way in connection with the Roman catholic church)
Reason there are many so called by Name only "christian churches " is because there have been changes made to accomidate their own beleifs and Wordly thinking of christianity......
The first split in the Christian church happened in 1054..........(though there was disagreement in around the eighth century) the split in the church was because of disagreements in theology..........
history of the christian church can be found.......
The church in Rome and the church in Constantinople(today known as Istanbul.....

I thought christianity was based on the belief of god. Of course, you all worship Mary and saints instead of god. So christianity is based on the worship of humans saying they are something special. Or on people who haven't been proven and are characters in a book. You worship a virgin, a few people who were blessed, and this time were blessed in a good way, not father McGrady and alter boy way. Then a magician. Never praise god, but praise the lord Jesus christ!

So, Jews worship god, Mauslim worship god, christians worship a young woman(definition of virgin back then), a magician, and a few people appointed by freinds.

Worship the words of god, the ten commandments. Not the words of humans, the bible.

Worship the words of god, the ten commandments. Not the words of humans, the bible.

............Who then wrote the ten commandments???

Were they not the words of humans???

it all comes down to faith ....................

[Edited on 23-2-2003 by helen]

Helen, the Ten Commandments are the *only* writings attributed to be written by the Hand of God Himself...To coin a phrase, those Ten Commandments were set in stone by His Hand. All of the other scriptures were composed by men, supposedly based upon those Commandments or their own thoughts & experiences but many of the "holy men" throughout the ages wound up adding more to God's original Ten.

...And it's been a downhill slide ever since...

Thank you for backing me up MD. Helen, god wrote the Ten Commandments, it(not he or she, a god would be it, for it's power would be to powerful to be contained in a body) wrote the Ten rules of life. It didn't write the bible, or any other holy book. Humans did.

Also, while I believe in god, I believe that it is there, but minds it's own business. It doesn't create life, or the universe, but is there. It isn't a supreme being, it is the energy of life, it is the force that holds atoms together(gluon), it is what makes up quantom(sp?) "foam"(search it up, pretty interesting) and it is the force that creates all.

I don't believe in catholic version, the Methodist version, the Jew version, so forth. If anything more towards the Witchcraft and Druid religon that I admire so much for it's ability to follow it's rules of not killing. Unlike Catholics, or Lutherns, so forth.

This is truly like the arguing of infants.

1. The successos of (moses) continued the bible.

2. Jesus IS the god who wrote the ten commands.

Ok take those to and add it to this..


2 Timothy 3:16

"" (all) scripture, inspired of god, is profitable to teach, to instruct in justice ""


what you have just said is like saying this...

God put his commands in a athiest book.

your saying the commands in the book are ok but the rest is not.

truly hypocritical and insane at best.

helen let them believe what they want, men who have no sincerity or understanding are like people on a mission
who want destruction of believers.

peace.

Truth, Jesus was never said to be god, even a evil ignorant atheist knows that.

And what? God put his words in an atheist book? Which book? Atheists don't have a book. Well, science books, but many of those on many subjects. And god never wrote a book. He wrote the Ten Comandments. Sorry, you are the ignorant link, good bye!

Originally posted by Truth2 Timothy 3:16
"" (all) scripture, inspired of god, is profitable to teach, to instruct in justice ""
what you have just said is like saying this...
God put his commands in a athiest book.
your saying the commands in the book are ok but the rest is not.
truly hypocritical and insane at best.

You really *do* have a knack for misinterpreting nearly *everything* someone says, don't you?

The point is that:
1) God is perfect, men are not.
2) Anything made by men is subject to mistakes & misunderstanding when translated or communicated from one person to another. It's commonly known as the normal factor of "human error"...People make mistakes occasionally...There's nothing shameful about this fact, because it's a natural factor of human beings.
Which leads to the *real* point:
God's Commandments are His perfect instructions for humankind but anything written by men can *not* be taken as being perfect, even if done under inspiration *becase* of the "human error" factor. Therefore the reader of mens' writings must always be able to account for a certain "margin of error" or the chance of "misinterpretation" being inserted by the author, most likely inserted unintentionally. God is the *only* author whose writings will *not* contain that natural factor of human error.
Since only God is perfect, only God's writings are not subject to the "human error" factor, therefore *only* the Commandments He wrote with His own Hand are perfect. Everything written by human beings is subject to human error.

For example, there are quite a few passages in the Bible that seem to speak of alien encounters (Ezekeil, being one notable example)...But since the authors had no concept or liguistic terminolgy to properly *describe* what they saw, they wrote it in the terms that they understood *at their time*. More modern day interpretations of those passages *does* contain the terminolgy to describe what the original author had written...But even then, the modern interpretations could be just as mistaken about the actual *truth* as the original author was when he wrote it...The human author couldn't properly describe what he saw & modern people can't properly interpret what he wrote.
...That's just *one* example of how the "human error" haunts us at all times & places...


[Edited on 24-2-2003 by MidnightDStroyer]

And you are misunderstanding what im saying.

1. aliens are not mentioned nor has he ever mentioned any othercreature. this idea
comes from misinterpretation.

here whaat im saying.

Jesus is the god who wrote the commands.

Moses (successors) carried on the word of god through moses speaking to god.

So how can their writings contain error when it is inspired by god through the prophets?

it cannot, it will not.

God can not let error slip into his book, his only book he gave through the writings of the prophets.

God wrote the commands, god also inspired the bible to be writen. If its not the work of god why would
he allow his commands to be in it?

(common) sense.

I will hold this belief until i die with massive confidence.

peace.

truth

the bible was not written by God - it was written by men. Lots and lots of men over a long period of time. All writing about different events and different ideas of God from the view point of their own time and place.

Humans who can misinterpret messages, be influenced by their own prejudices and ideals.

If the bible was not a combination of all these things, a mixture of politics, fragments of beliefs and a history of the jewish nation; but in fact written purely by Jesus, then I might take what it says a little more as proof. A bit like the Quran - which was written by Mohammed only.

Moses lived hundreds of years before Jesus - how can Jesus have given the commandments to Moses? From what I have read of the bible - the God that Moses followed and the God that Jesus taught of are not only two different Gods, but actually conflict each other in their views.

I'm not sure if you read the bible and believe it word for word, or whether you have a bit more intelligence and read between the lines. Maybe applying some knowledge of how it was written and the circumstances of the Jewish people at each period in time might aid your understanding of a truly great book.

And dare I say it but remember Moses and Jesus didn't have much interest in the world in a global sense - their world was that of the Jewish people in the middle east at that particular time. And when Heaven was mentioned it was as a living state - the idealised society the people strived for. It's truly shocking how much words and meanings can be twisted to justify almost any point of view

jesus was the son of GOD just like we are all childenr of GOD. If he was GOD how could the devil try to tempt him like he did in the bible. Why did he say "Forgivie them Father for they know not what they do" "Why has my Father forsaken me". If he was GOD how cna he forsake himself?

There is a lot of knowledge about this man that is out there but only a few know where to look. Like his name "Jesus christ" That was his title like just like a senetor has a title. That was not the name his mother gave him.

if you really think this man is GOD shouldn't you want to call him by his name(i.e "personal relationship with GOD) I have had many talks with masons even though they can't tell me important things they do tell me this. They are a bout the persute of knowledge because knowledge is power. Besuace if you know you can either keep your brother in the dark or tell him the turth.

One more thing to all the people out here who claim to follow christ. When you see a bumb or a hooker on the street do you stop and talk to them, help them out. I say abotu 99% answered this question with a NO. This is what Jesus did and that is more important than is he is the son of GOD or not. A lot of people think that if you believe in him your sins will be forgiven. If that is the case hittler is chillin up in heaven with all the other eivel people of the past.

Originally posted by Truth Moses (successors) carried on the word of god through moses speaking to god.

Have you ever played the "Telephone Game"? Anywhere between God's mouth (so to speak) to the actual authors that wrote the scriptures is *also* subject to misinterpretation & human error. The only way to completely eliminate the possibility of such errors is for God's spoken words to be turned directly into written words...Only the Ten Commandments does that and that's only because God Himself inscribed them.

Originally posted by Truth God can not let error slip into his book, his only book he gave through the writings of the prophets.

Error *has* slipped into the scriptures because they were written by *men*...Otherwise, why are there so many "translations" & "revisions" of it in existence? God didn't write the Bible like He did the Commandments...*Men* wrote the Bible. As such, the Bible is subject to individual interpretation & the beliefs & biases of those who wrote it.

The evidence of human error is & always has been right in front of your eyes, but you still refuse to even acknowledge the possibility of human error popping into the various religions & their scriptures. In your view, one particular religion organized by man is the only one that does *not* have any errors in it but still keep pointing out the errors in others...What makes *your* religion to be the only one *without* error?
God is perfect...Man & religion is not. All of the religions known these days contains *some* truth, but it's hiding behind the cumulative errors & falsities introduced by human failures. The real trick is to find out what truths *are* there & to reason out the falicies...Unfortunately, you don't seem to be able to be capable of looking at your own religion with as much forethought & reason as you do all the other religions.

If you can't be capable of questioning God, then how can He teach you any true wisdom? Questions must be asked if a person is to receive any answers. If you can't put a question to anything, then truly you can learn nothing. If there's no questions, then there's no understanding.

Originally posted by Truth God wrote the commands, god also inspired the bible to be writen. If its not the work of god why would he allow his commands to be in it?

Take this as an analogy: Let's say that you teach a dog to do two tricks...You *tell* him how to do those tricks & he learns them both to your own satisfaction. But you run into a problem...The dog *does* the both tricks perfectly every time you tell him to perform them. But he keeps teaching other dogs to do the second trick wrong!

Here's the connection: God taught us what to do, between His own Words & with His own Son...But the various emotions & reasoning powers of different people have caused the religions to go astray of what God taught us. The trick we did *right* was to copy the Word of God as He inscribed them on the tablets with no interpretation (only the translations from one language to another and even *that* alone may be open to interpretation by the translators themselves)...Everything else has been messed up due to individual impressions of various people, based upon the other "tricks" that God taught other people to do* & that they told us about.

*applauds*

two really good posts

do you think between us we might drive a wedge into his mind? Or have I got to go over there, kidnap him, feed him a huge joint and then make him watch Stigmata again and again until he cracks?

Look, all the stuff quoted here is just icing on the cake of christianity.

A christian is someone who:
Believes that Jesus died for his/her sins
Tries to follow God in their life and do His will.

Everything else is irrelevent. So if you are a catholic, a protestant or other flavours the differnece is in how you EXPRESS you christinaity. The basic beliefs flow through for everyone.

Do people truely think that God cares if you have Sunday off, or if you follow the rules in leviticus?

No he hated the pharasies for folowing those rules "religiously".

When you die he will look at how you related to others,

Did you love other people, build them up not tear them down.
Did you try and do the things HE had planned for your life.
Did you put your trust in Jesus, comune with him, try and be like him so that he became part of your life?


These are the important things in "christianity" not the outward appearance and the rules.

If Christ is in your heart, then you will automatically know what is right and wrong, your conscious will convict you or support you in life, external laws become superfluous. It He is not then you need to follow the laws to keep your feet on the path.

I agree with you apart from believing Jesus died for our sins.

I don't class myself as a christian, although I believe in a God of some description, I believe Jesus existed and I do my best to live out the ideals that he taught. However I think jesus died because of the political situation - in the eyes of the Romans he was practically a terrorist. He died for his beliefs - one of the most honourable ways to die.

Maybe it was another case of mistranslation - he didn't die for all our sins, but died because the society he lived in was so sinful that his beliefs were a threat. Perhaps it really means 'he died because of our sins'?

Originally posted by Netchicken These are the important things in "christianity" not the outward appearance and the rules.

This is *precisely* what I have against *organized* religions, regardless of the actual denomination...And what some people (I'm sure that quite a few here know who...) have trouble understanding about me.

This is the only reason that I continue with such discussions in the first place.

"" do you think we got him thinking ""

ar, there are things ive witnessed that makes my faith very strong, and your points are
not even seeping into my head.

before i got this internet i thought like MD, through miracles iive learned this, and you will never believe me because
god has allowed you not to see this.


I will (never) deny the church of god or jesus. youll understand at the deathbed when you see my life in review then youll know why i have
this faith.


1. God wrote the bible through the prophets. you claim otherwise but i know that he did this.

2. Jesus wrote the commands. Moses spoke of jesus, the prophets spoke of the christ who will die for the sins of his people in daniel, isaiah, ect..


jesus existed before the world began, he says so in the nt many times.

I am studying scripture very hard, and do not see a difference between jesus and the god of the ot. infact jesus said i did not come
to erase the old law but to fullfill it.

believe what you want, but dont sit here and tell me who wrote scripture and who god is.


these words on this screen are mere words to me, ive seen stuff i cannot explain, man did not reveal this to me...


"" For flesh and blood did not reveal this to you but my father in heaven did ""


same goes with me, before i had this internet filled with falsehood of all kinds
what revealed this to me is something youll only see at the seat. and until then youll deny what im saying because
you haave been taught by men on a computer.


watch this year very closely, watch for miracles.

what im writing on here i dont just believe but i (know) to be true and i cannot deny this even
if i (wanted) to.


Ill hold this view until i (die) nomatter what i hear from men, because what revealed this to me was not the words of men but
stuff you just havent seen in my life.


peace and love.

Md please listen..

"" what makes your religion true ""

God does. md ive told you over and over that two years ago i thought ALL
religion was false until i started dreaming of christ and witnessing miracles of him.

so i was not brought up brainwashed like you think, only i converted from stuff you have not seen.

If i (wanted) to deny jesus and the church i could not. my faith can not be shaken by you guys nomatter what i hear and you will
know why at the seat.

and at that, ill leave this topic to you.

peace and love.

Originally posted by MidnightDStroyer

Originally posted by Netchicken These are the important things in "christianity" not the outward appearance and the rules.

This is *precisely* what I have against *organized* religions, regardless of the actual denomination...And what some people (I'm sure that quite a few here know who...) have trouble understanding about me.

This is the only reason that I continue with such discussions in the first place.

uh so you cool with dis organized religion then?