IAEA: No Evidence That Iran Has Ever Had A Nuclear Weapons Program

The IAEA reiterated September 17, 2009, that it “has no concrete proof that Iran has or has ever had a nuclear weapons programme.”

www.fas.org...

Oh no. Don't bother reading that at all if you are one to incite war against Iran. I surely wouldn't want to burst your little bubble of misinformed BS.

Regardless of the rhetoric that transpires between Iran and Israel, whether over the holocaust or over Iran's nuclear program, we as Americans deserve the right to formulate our opinions based on facts. And the facts are at this point that no one in any position of official intelligence can offer anything more than speculation that Iran has an intentional, military aspect to their development of nuclear energy.

They want to believe it, they need to believe it, but only as it pertains to their own greed, and desire to enter into another war for profit. Well, we're tired of wars for profit. Wars that kill 10 times the civilians as they do the warmongering and blindfully obeying military that is doing the shooting. And wars that are being payed for ultimately by our children and theirs- and that's if you forget the immediate cost in blood of not only our troops and contractors- but of the masses these wars are perpetuated on- and who REALLY pay the price with their lives.

No I say. Stop this stupid ass warmongering when there is no evidence whatsoever Iran is doing anything other than what they say- which is developing nuclear energy for peaceful purposes. And how about instead we force Israel to step out from behind their long standing veil of hypocrisy, and submit to monitoring by the IAEA just like everyone else.

Perhaps then one day finally some kind of nuclear balance can be found in the Middle East, and all the rhetoric can remain political, instead of threatening to erupt into world war 3.

Israel's "pride" is going to make the entire world suffer rather soon, I think. Israel, along with the US, is continuing it's never ending tirade against Iran.

At this point, I find it hard to believe that anyone could ever fall for this fecal charade. Sadly, people do, and boy do they eat it up, every last stinking bite.

There is too much going on right now. Everything ATS (and the world for that matter) has been discussing is coming to a point. They are all converging at the same time. We have the Swine Flu and the much (dreadfully) anticipated fall vaccines. We have the G-20 fiasco in pure violation of Posse Comitatus crapping all over Pittsburgh as we speak. The Federal Reserve is being audited and they continue to spew veiled threats of economic collapse, should it continue. There have been numerous "arrests" made with supposed terrorist cells in the US and abroad.

Much more...

.. and now Obama is doing a Bushie' and pulling out all the stops, making clear threats against Iran. Israel must be so content right now..


Please just let us all be. Do not awake the sleeping giant. News Flash to the Military Industrial Complex: "You are not the sleeping giant(s). You're merely amidst a greater giant that is the people you continue to piss off."

[edit on 25-9-2009 by SyphonX]

I think by now, it's pretty obvious what is in store for Iran. They don't even bother making new tactics up, they just dust the old ones off.

I wonder how long after the invasion and raping of Iran it will be when the administration blames its actions on 'bad intelligence.'

We've known this was coming, didn't we? Where was Israel at the announcement this morning that Iran was being a bad, bad country?

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Good points my friend. I think you get it. It is pure political propaganda reminiscent of what happened not only with 9/11, but with Iraq.

Iran currently presents no direct threat to the USA. NONE. On the contrary, as been noted by prominent authors, we will perpetuate a worse situation on ourselves in the form of gas lines miles long, at least, not to mention unbearable gas prices if Iran is attacked. There can be no good at all to come from an attack on Iran, unless you're a wealthy elitist with interests in the MIC or big oil.

But of course they won't rest until they get their grubby hands on ALL those oil fields along the Iran/Iraq border.

It doesnt amtter if there arent any WMD's of nuclear facilities.

The PTB say there are and they will get their pawns to go on TV and tell the nation of zombies that they are threatened by iran and that they do have nukes.

THen there will be a spark, something small....maybe a false flag somewhere in the world(maybe israel). It will be blamed on iran and Israel will go to war with US support.

Iraq 2

[edit on 25-9-2009 by phi1618]

Also, I just want to say, that I am no Islamic apologist here. I inherently don't support that religion whatsoever. But this is war we are talking about here. AGAIN! And not only again, but AGAIN, based on LIES!!!!!!!!!!!

Enough is enough for Pete's sakes.

It's funny, going to war against Islam based solely on religious differences would be more honest than what is happening now. And not that I advocate that either, mind you. But seriously, let's call a spade a spade.

[edit on Fri Sep 25th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

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At a news conference in New York, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said the Qom site had not yet become operational, and thus Iran was not yet required to report its existence to the IAEA.

He said the US would regret accusing Iran of trying to hide the plant, and he appeared to suggest that the IAEA is in fact welcome to inspect it.

"We don't have any problems with inspection of the facility," said Mr. Ahmadinejad.

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Ahmadinejad seems confidant that they will find nothing untoward at the Qom site .
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At the crux of the dispute between Iran and the West is a difference of opinion over Iran's obligation to notify the IAEA of its plan to build nuclear facilities.

Ahmadinejad claims that Iran is not required to notify the IAEA of its intention to construct a nuclear facility until six months before it begins operation, citing a longstanding IAEA policy.

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Perhaps it will hinge upon whether or not nuclear fuel had been introduced into the plant .
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A little background to what surely will be a contested point.

The IAEA has persuaded most countries with the capacity to produce nuclear power to agree to notify the IAEA before they begin construction. Iran reached a similar agreement with the agency in 2003, but then withdrew from the accord four years later, when nuclear talks with the West collapsed.

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And finally , the I.A.E.A`s understanding regarding the agreement .
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The IAEA maintains that Iran is still bound by that agreement, but that its failure to abide by it does not constitute a formal violation of its obligations, according to David Albright, a former U.N. nuclear inspector and now the head of the Institute for Science and International Security.

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I guess we really won`t know anything until after the site has been inspected , and even then we may know very little.
I would imagine that Iran will use the IAEA guidelines to make their case but the incessant tattoo of the drums of war will drown them out .
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[edit on 25-9-2009 by UmbraSumus]

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You know, I wish some people would get a clue that those are the kinds of posts that make ATS great- when it is great. Thank you for the contribution.

And regardless of whether that new plant bore nuclear fuel or not, it still doesn't affect the central core of the problem here. Which is: THERE IS NO EVIDENCE OF IRAN EVER HAVING A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM.

To me they are just nitpicking every little thing now, seeing as they just can't get the evidence they need to throw the war switch. Problem is, they are willing to throw the war switch anyway, regardless.

S/F but only because the content was informative instead of a rant. TrueAmercian never disappoints except I don't agree with your position on this at all (let me insert respectfully disagree).

I'm not sure why anyone thinks that Iran would send out postcards to other countries letting them know it has plans to build a nuclear weapons arsenal. Beyond counter-productive, it would threaten Iran's entire world (safety, liberty, way of life, etc..) We (the US) don't announce to anyone that we are working on projects that may or may not be in the gray area of "acceptable" in other country's eyes. Why would Iran? Just because they tell you they aren't working on it is enough? They are willing to allow inspectors in but only when, where and for how long Iran says they can? By admitting to having this program, they would face steep penalties. By not admitting it, they can continue to buffalo those around them and build up the weapons they want.

No way. I error on the side of caution when it comes to a leader who says that a neighbor should be wiped off the face of the earth and denies the Holocaust. You don't give the benefit of the doubt to a man who hangs people for being gay or would enjoy the killing of Jews and Christians. Are you all MAD?!?! I'm not saying we should send troops into the country and destroy him and his country but at the same time, you don't turn your back on a known murder.

[edit on 29-9-2009 by House Of Mirrors]

Good post!

Ever so slightly off topic here, but what would the USA and the west's reaction be if Japan started developing nuclear weapons?

Obviously it would create a security dilema in East Asia, but would we see the USA up in arms about it and demanding access to facilities etc?

Would we see the two Koreas or China threaten military strikes?

Just total hypocrisy in this whole situation.

Are people so thick that they have forgotten about Iraq?

The politicians are starting to come out with the same old nonsense as before and everyone is falling for it.

Gee, what if the headlines ran:

Islamic Republic Builds World's Largest Solar Energy Plant

They don't.

With the land area and amount of fusible silica in Iran, they could become the world's leading producer of photovoltaic systems, and the first to power their country with solar electricity exclusively.

They are not.

They want to play with Death, The Destroyer of Worlds.

Nuclear is not needed anywhere on Earth. IPODs are not worth megadeath.

People that are not warriors do not understand warriors. If a means is at hand, a warrior will turn it into a weapon.

Respect Iranians as Warriors.

Tell them to stop preparing for war.

Ok, get used to this thread people. Because from now on, every single time I see a new thread about how Iran is building nukes, or has nukes, or wants to have nukes, or dreams about nukes, or pukes nukes... I AM GOING TO BUMP THIS THREAD.

I wonder how many government agents are getting paid to hang around places like ATS and spread lies about Iran. I swear, people that work for the CIA doing things like that ought to be shot dead.

Here's the latest lie on ATS, propagated by someone who appears to have a warmongering agenda here. :shk:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on Tue Oct 6th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

La-tee-da.... My bump for the day.

Here's another couple of examples of ATS threads of how the MSM has so brainwashed the masses that they really do believe Iran has a nuclear weapons program. How they can fall for this stupidity is beyond me, especially just coming out of being lied to profusely from the Bush administration to sell us the wars on Afghanistan and Iraq. :shk:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Yeah, those same wars Obama said he would end the day he took office.

Really, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. And meet the new threads, same as the old threads. You suckers. Believe the MSM some more.

No concrete proof is certainly not the same ashaving no evidence, but lets not let facts get in the way here. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a country sitting on one of the world's largest reserves of petroleum, who has developed a uranium enrichment program, as well as long-range missile technology capable of carrying a nuclear payload, is after something more than energy.

Leaked Iran Paper Based on Intel That Split IAEA

Contrary to sensational stories by the Associated Press and The New York Times, the excerpts on the website of the Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS) reveal that the IAEA's Safeguards Department, which wrote the report, only has suspicions - not real evidence - that Iran has been working on nuclear weapons in recent years.

The newly published excerpts make it clear, moreover, that the so-called "Alleged Studies" documents brought to the attention of the agency by the United States five years ago are central to its assertion that Iran had such a programme in 2002-03.

Whether those documents are genuine or were fabricated has been the subject of a fierce struggle behind the scenes for many months between two departments of the IAEA.

Some IAEA officials began calling for a clear statement by the agency that it could not affirm the documents' authenticity after the agency obtained hard evidence in early 2008 that a key document in the collection had been fraudulently altered, as previously reported by this writer. As journalist Mark Hibbs reported last week in Nucleonics Week, opposition to relying on the intelligence documents has come not only from outgoing Director General Mohamed ElBaradei but from the Department of External Relations and Policy Coordination.

Since September 2008, however, the Safeguards Department, headed by Olli Heinonen, has been pressing for publication of its draft report as an annex to a regular agency report on Iran.

Heinonen leaked the draft to Western governments last summer, and in September it was leaked to the Associated Press and ISIS. That has generated sensational headlines suggesting that Iran can already build a nuclear bomb.

The draft report says the agency "assesses that Iran has sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable implosion nuclear device". But other passages indicate the authors regard such knowledge only as a possibility, based on suspicions rather than concrete evidence.

www.truthout.org...

Read em and weep all you war on Iran wannabes.

[edit on Tue Oct 6th 2009 by TrueAmerican]

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I wonder how long after the invasion and raping of Iran it will be when the administration blames its actions on 'bad intelligence.'

We've known this was coming, didn't we? Where was Israel at the announcement this morning that Iran was being a bad, bad country?

The unfortunate thing this time around KS, is that I don't think the USA, or Israel can truly win this fight. I am sure many will disagree with my statement, but I know I am correct.

The People in control of the USA/UK/France/Israel, and Germany are real geniuses, but insane. With that being said they just don't know when to call their conquest done.

There won't be a sit by with a beer, and arm chair cowboy action watching the boobtube this time around. This time around I'm afraid it will directly affect the heartland of America. Not invasion as such, but as the dark entities loose over "there", they will then turn inwards creating their hell on Earth last revenge on the People who "let them down" for the last time.

I know what I said is dark, and many will agree, but I know I am right. We must resist this coming incursion with all Our might.

To the OP S&F

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones
... they will then turn inwards creating their hell on Earth last revenge on the People who "let them down" for the last time.

Oh, you mean the people who read articles like this that show that Jewish influence in our society and government, despite the fact that they are less than 3% of the population, is so rampant and pervasive that we have been effectively overrun without a shot being fired directly at us?

www.natall.com...

Just take a glance down that article to see what the average American is up against here.

Last time we went to war over 15% taxation to create this country and refused to be slaves to tyranny. Why are we still sitting here, getting taxed at 40 and 50% all day long, and putting up with this crap? Americans should be in the streets, fully armed to the teeth and ready for blood over this current state of affairs. Maybe when taxation reaches 100% they'll of finally had enough, but I seriously doubt it.

Bend over and take it baby- no vaseline.

"It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a country sitting on one of the world's largest reserves of petroleum, who has developed a uranium enrichment program, as well as long-range missile technology capable of carrying a nuclear payload, is after something more than energy."

And it certainly doesn't take a genius to figure out why the United States and Israeli Governments are so keen on invading this same country which is sitting on one of the world's largest reserves of petroleum.

There was a time when countries went to war for honorable reasons. As usual, most of the cowards who are supporting this military action are those who don't have to fight in it.

[edit on 7-10-2009 by SphinxMontreal]

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Hey, thanks for the link. I don't have that one. Really I hope the paid Elite govt. shills do read that. Also, they, the shills should check out www.threeworldwars.com... and learn they are truly part of the sacrificial lamb.

The true depth of the rabbit hole is immense, and with the degree of the intelligence of the People helping the NWO machine, they should realize they are on the next phase of the chopping block.

People need to realize the IAEA is where the decisions are made. Considering the IAEA also put out a press statement asking People only to read the official IAEA press releases should speak volumes. They actually had to say not to believe, or listen to the MSM hype; which is exactly what the "secret almost IAEA chatter" is in the post above. It's a MSM fake.

The NWO has, and is lost. The People who continually support the decisions I do believe will be treated as Nazis are now, but in the future. As they have violated the trust, and responsibility they have to their fellow Person

Yeah, this is the Weapons of Mass Deception argument all over again. That Neo-Con garbage worked like a charm the first time, so why not try the same trick again while wearing a different clown outfit?

Short memory - check.
Ignorance - check.
Denial - check.
Uninformed - check
Naive - check

Make no mistake about it - going into Iran is going to sting, and sting badly. This isn't another Lebanon we're talking about here. Try explaining that to a bunch of dumbed down clones.