Census Worker Hanged - Fox News Strikes Again

Investigators are still trying to determine whether the death was a killing or a suicide, and if a killing, whether the motive was related to his government job or to anti-government sentiment.

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Ok, the guy has fed carved into him, yet they are still trying to determine whether or not the death was a killing or a suicide?? How many people carve 'fed' into their own chest and hang themselves???

reply to post by Jessicamsa


It says scrawled, not carved, not scratched, not branded, not engraved.

scrawl (skrôl) v. scrawled, scrawl·ing, scrawls v.tr. To write hastily or illegibly. v.intr. To write in a sprawling, irregular manner. n. 1. Irregular, often illegible handwriting. 2. Something, such as a note, written hastily or illegibly.

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Perhaps someone came across the body and wrote FED on it with a sharpie. Highly unlikely I know, but it is possible.

Personally, I think he was killed, because there is no reason to write FED on your chest and then kill yourself, at least not that I can think of. Unless maybe it's an "end the fed" protest, and then he really should have left a note explaining it because it's quite a stretch.

As to the lack of saying whether it was murder or suicide, they are probably playing it that way in order to get people to cooperate. It is a common tactic, especially when people wouldn't want to rat their friends out, or who couldn't believe that someone they know would do something like that.
By saying it may be a suicide, they can ask around to see if anyone had seen anyone else around the area who may be able to give them more info as to why he did it or if they saw him go out alone, which people are more willing to do than to say that they saw JimBob drive down from up that way if being questioned about a homicide. It is just a way of getting a suspect list without saying that they may be suspects, which causes people to clam up.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by digger2381]

This is really sad. The guy was just trying to make a living. I hope they find out who did this and what happened. That Fox news video is damning. That might have been what incited violence here.

reply to post by drwizardphd

Face it, the right wing fear machine is in full swing, they are doing everything they can to turn people against the democratic government, and innocent people are suffering because of it.
This is a sad state of affairs where people in this country are justifying the murder of innocent people simply because they want to collect information for the census.

It makes me consider getting the hell out of the US while I still can.

Please do leave PLEASE PLEASE.

Now for the reality check. I am a caver. I and my buddies have caved all over that area. I have lost THREE count them THREE friends who disappeared never to been seen again.

Do not blame Fox news. There are areas in the USA you DO NOT GO with out an invitation if you want to stay alive.

Originally posted by andrewh7

Originally posted by concernedcitizan
A man is dead and all we care about is media spin/coverage? Sad

All we care about is why this man was killed - who was responsible and what could have possibly motivated them to commit such a horrendous crime. Media spin is not something harmless - it's called propaganda and its dangerous. It can drive people to do thing they would never have otherwise considered doing.

When you rant on a daily basis that the government is going to take away your gun, rob you, put you in a concentration camp, and destroy the United States someone is going to get killed.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by andrewh7]

Well, how typically liberal of you! Put the responsiblity for a murder on anybody or anything, EXCEPT the person who actually did the deed.

Despicable and disgusting!

Originally posted by digger2381
reply to post by Jessicamsa

 

It says scrawled, not carved, not scratched, not branded, not engraved.

scrawl (skrôl) v. scrawled, scrawl·ing, scrawls v.tr. To write hastily or illegibly. v.intr. To write in a sprawling, irregular manner. n. 1. Irregular, often illegible handwriting. 2. Something, such as a note, written hastily or illegibly.

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Perhaps someone came across the body and wrote FED on it with a sharpie. Highly unlikely I know, but it is possible.

Personally, I think he was killed, because there is no reason to write FED on your chest and then kill yourself, at least not that I can think of. Unless maybe it's an "end the fed" protest, and then he really should have left a note explaining it because it's quite a stretch.

As to the lack of saying whether it was murder or suicide, they are probably playing it that way in order to get people to cooperate. It is a common tactic, especially when people wouldn't want to rat their friends out, or who couldn't believe that someone they know would do something like that.
By saying it may be a suicide, they can ask around to see if anyone had seen anyone else around the area who may be able to give them more info as to why he did it or if they saw him go out alone, which people are more willing to do than to say that they saw JimBob drive down from up that way if being questioned about a homicide. It is just a way of getting a suspect list without saying that they may be suspects, which causes people to clam up.

[edit on 23-9-2009 by digger2381]

Oh ok. Some accounts have said it was carved into his chest.

I still say it is unlikely he killed himself.

Originally posted by HotDogNoBun
reply to post by andrewh7

 

Here are some other possible reasons.
1. Peope in rural Ky have a long history of taking issue with the Feds coming on their land.
2. Could have been somebody who doesnt own a tv but reads a lot of the ATS threads about census workers demanding to GPS your front door and decided to pop a cap in the guys ass.
3. Wouldnt you get a tad peeved if someone came to your house and demanded to GPS your house?

[edit on 23-9-2009 by HotDogNoBun]

The guy didn't get "a tad peeved!" He murdered the man, hanged his corpse from a tree, and carved "Fed" into his chest. Who in their right mind would classify such conduct as "getting a tad peeved?"

People in rural Kentucky have a history of murdering federal employees? What are you basing that on? I can't believe that you would try to illicit sympathy and understanding for a murderer.

Originally posted by hotrodturbo7

Originally posted by drwizardphd

This is a sad state of affairs where people in this country are justifying the murder of innocent people simply because they want to collect information for the census.

Who is justifying cold blooded murder?

What SOME of us are NOT doing is using a man's gruesome death to push an agenda.

No - you're just ignoring a man's gruesome death because it could serve to derail your own agenda. My agenda is to explore why this man was murdered so that possibly another incident like this could be avoided in the future. I think we can all agree, at the very least, that this man was innocent. He was working a second job to finance medical expenses. He did not deserve to die.

Occam's razor states, "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better." The simpler explanation is that this man was murdered by an individual rather than as a result of a complex criminal false flag conspiracy to defame anti-government extremists.

The fact that many of your are suggesting the complex conspiracy as the most likely explanation speaks volumes. Someone above even suggests that the man was murdered for some entirely different reason and than a uninvolved third party happened upon the body and decided to write Fed on it. That's just absurd.



[edit on 25-9-2009 by andrewh7]

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One I have to agree with one of the first posters.. there is a man dead, and we are worried about media spin of the story.. completely sad..

Now, you said that "Bachmann argues that they will use the census to round you up and put you in internment camps, just like the Japanese-Americans during world war II"... umm, no she didn't. She simply stated a fact of history that the census was used to round up people during WW2. That leads me to believe one of two things:

1) you will go against Fox News for anything, just because you don't carry a conservative viewpoint, or

2) you are too ignorant to be able to listen and repeat what another person says.

I am going to go with the first, just because I don't think you are ignorant.

If Fox is the king of spin, then you my friend have learned something in watching their clips on youtube..

You also posted the "Bio of the "Evil" Census Worker".. who are you quoting when you use the word evil to describe the man. You do know what quotations are used for don't you? Is it you that thinks he was "evil"..? who?

Deny Ignorance indeed.

Originally posted by Broox
reply to post by andrewh7

 

Now, you said that "Bachmann argues that they will use the census to round you up and put you in internment camps, just like the Japanese-Americans during world war II"... umm, no she didn't. She simply stated a fact of history that the census was used to round up people during WW2.

What? Bachman has been on a crusade against the US census, specifically regarding the the nature and purpose of the questions asked. In making a comment that census data was used to put Japanese-Americans into concentration camps, anyone in their right mind would see that she is asserting the same thing could happen again. Go 3:25 in this video. Even Megan Kelly understands this implication and responds to it at 4:09. Maybe Megan Kelly has an anti-Fox agenda too? It's like Beck saying, "Here is a similarity between Obama and Hitler....but I'm not arguing that Obama is going to be the next Hitler." This is textbook fearmongering - anyone can see that.

Bachmann: Take this into consideration. If we look at American history, between 1942 and 1947, the data that was collected by the census bureau was handed over to the FBI and other organizations, at the request of President Roosevelt, and that’s how the Japanese were rounded up and put into the internment camps. I’m not saying that’s what the Administration is planning to do. But I am saying that private, personal information that was given to the census bureau in the 1940s was used against Americans to round them up and put the Japanese in internment camps.



You would not mention census data being used for such nefarious reason in the past in this context unless you're arguing that history will likely repeat itself. Why else would you bring it up? When you demonize the census, you unavoidably demonize the census workers as well. You are asserting to your audience that these census workers are at the very least complicit in a criminal conspiracy. That kind of rhetoric is inherently dangerous.



[edit on 25-9-2009 by andrewh7]

Originally posted by andrewh7


Occam's razor states, "When you have two competing theories that make exactly the same predictions, the simpler one is the better." The simpler explanation is that this man was murdered by an individual rather than as a result of a complex criminal false flag conspiracy to defame anti-government extremists.

The fact that many of your are suggesting the complex conspiracy as the most likely explanation speaks volumes. Someone above even suggests that the man was murdered for some entirely different reason and than a uninvolved third party happened upon the body and decided to write Fed on it. That's just absurd.



[edit on 25-9-2009 by andrewh7]

I am most certainly not ignoring the man's murder. If I were, I wouldn't be posting here.

The character of your posts is that you live to bash anything "right wing", While ignoring the myriad other possibilities.

Since you are invoking Occam's Razor, It seems far more simple and likely that this guy came across a weed operation and was killed for it, than some looney has been soaking up all the "fear and hatred" that Fox has been pouring out onto the airwaves and went out and hunted down a census worker. The area is known for anti-gov't sentiment and violence toward gov't agents due to the history of the people as well as the local "crops".

Who is denying ignorance here? There is no conspiracy in my eyes. When the facts of the case are found I am confident we will see the whole picture. If I am found wrong I will admit it.

But your posts plainly show that you are looking for a martyr for your cause when none exists. He was a very unlucky and/or woefully naive person. I am very sorry for his family. But at the same time, I would not go into gang territory in South Central L.A. to gather census info, and that is a very good analogy to what this guy did.

Originally posted by digger2381

Or he came across a government operation and same situation.

Entirely within the realm of possibility.

Just suppose that our people are so dumbed down, so sheep-like, that they are not providing the government with enough 'terrorism' panic-inducing talking points. So, they create a little event themselves. Scratch one census worker.

It wouldn't be this government's first false-flag operation. It certainly won't be the last.

Originally posted by hotrodturbo7

The character of your posts is that you live to bash anything "right wing", While ignoring the myriad other possibilities.

Since you are invoking Occam's Razor, It seems far more simple and likely that this guy came across a weed operation and was killed for it, than some looney has been soaking up all the "fear and hatred" that Fox has been pouring out onto the airwaves and went out and hunted down a census worker. The area is known for anti-gov't sentiment and violence toward gov't agents due to the history of the people as well as the local "crops".

You accuse me of bashing anything right wing. I am bashing baseless fearmongering - the kind of conduct I see on Fox News on a daily basis. I take offense at anyone who purposely tries to frighten people to gain political advantages. Fox News won a lawsuit permitting them to purposely lie and distort the news. That is unprecedented!

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that drugs had anything to do with this murder. Please explain how prominently displaying a naked body from a tree with Fed written on it would serve to hide the discovery of a drug operation. Census workers are given specific routes and enter GPS coordinates of each house they visit. How difficult do you think it would be to retrace the man's steps to find the homes he had visited on his last day? If you want to hide your operation or simply buy time to dismantle it and move it to a new location, you don't hang and label a body in this manner.

In contrast, if you are murdering someone for political reasons, you would have every reason to display the body. If you are irrational enough to believe that a census worker is a government agent, then you're stupid enough to hang the body in a tree - perhaps thinking people will see you as a hero.

I don't have to make this guy a martyr - he died in the process of carrying out his job. Whoever killed him - he died because he was a government employee. That's a fact.


[edit on 26-9-2009 by andrewh7]

If you are a skinhead, drug grower, meth maker, or just nuts and don't want the feds nosing around.

Killing a fed is not the way to do it.
The feds are probably walking every hill and valley looking for anything illegal that might have got the Census Worker killed

According to current reports, the man was found nude and tied up. How does someone bind themselves up and kill themselves?

How could investigators ever have thought that this could be a suicide??

the man had been gagged and his hands and feet were bound with duct tape.

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This site has far more posts calling for an end to the FED, than Fox News has minutes of anti-Fed rant.

Typical liberal wants to blame Fox News. Instead of putting the fault on the real person....

Well it seems the guy was a little off, and he offed himself.

Does the OP want to step up and offer an apology to the board for spreading this disinformation and hate against FOX News?

why would he want to do that?

regardless of this situation...

FOX news is garbage.

This is so sad. I feel for the family of this man who was only trying to make a living.

Divide and conquer. Thats all I have to say about the right vs. the left.