India's lunar mission finds evidence of water on the Moon

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Go on please. Elaborate on the connection you see.

reply to post by Redeemer


That the sun is getting hotter, man made global warming is a farce and a tax grab, and we are going through a cycle that can not be prevented. There is a reason why Greenland was rightfully named.


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Pop Quiz!!!!! First to answer is clicking, "recent posts" frequently!

1) Name the other mission which failed due to a loss of contact and yet produced intelligent information?

2) Name the species that ATS'ers commonly blame for the aforementioned mishap.

Let me start off with a S&F you!

However this is to say the least startling news. Your telling me that NASA, never found evidence of water on the moon? Only after India's lunar probe found it they are coming forward.

This let's me know that India is rollin dolo and has moxy. Japan recently sent a hd high resolution satelite up there, which one of our ATS members informed us of...he is still waiting for those pictures.

But considering how close Hinduism is to the actual truth, i'm not surprised that out of India of all places, information like this arises. Not long ago, they confirmed that single cellular organisms live in the outer atmosphere (if i'm not mistaken).

Remember boys and girls, a mosquito survived in a jar strapped outside of the space station for about 6 months (i think, cant remember the specifics)...

They (as in NASA and all affiliated programs) are hiding something. Let's see how they start revealing the truth without losing face...they are afterall a branch of the DoD

I found this very interesting. Let me also stat that i'm taking an astronomy class at the local community college this semester!

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Hi!

I was very surprised to see that this topic didn't get more play in the MSM. One of the other posters showed an article from 1998 about the topic, but the India aspect seems to be a new spin on it.

I agree with you (and everyone else that made similar comments). You mean to tell me (the metaphorical you, not *you*) that over 40 years exploration they NEVER sound anything up there and then the second another country shows evidence NASA say... "Oh, yea... btw..."

After talking about this evening with the wife more questions came up.

1) Seems to me there would be need to be a significant amount of oxygen to react with hydrogen in order to create water, no?

2) Is this water beyond the polar region? Past theories says water was at the pole(s) in the form of ice, the original article seems to say they are seeing liquid water in all regions.

Here is another giving more detail:

www.wired.com...

3) As one pointed out... where there is water, there is life. How come past soil samples didn't pick up on the water? If they didn't pick up on the water, did they miss micro-level life?

In the end, great to see more is coming out about space exploration.

Best!

reply to post by cenpuppie

Evidence of water on the Moon was first found in 1994, more was found in 1998, and still more in 1999.

The instrument on Chandrayaan 1 which provided more evidence was furnished by NASA.

There is still no absolute proof of water. There are other possible explanations for the data but water is very high on the list. In any case, there are not vast quantities of water and it is not likely to be in a liquid state. If it is not bound in hydrated minerals it is frozen.

The amount of water in any one place is tiny. Clark estimated it at about a quart per ton of soil.

The moon "is almost as wet as a bone," Lucey said in an e-mail interview with The Times. "It is in the form of an imperceptible film on soil grains, perhaps several molecules thick."

www.latimes.com...




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Another Country used an instrument provided by NASA to find further evidence of what NASA and the US Navy had previously found.

1) There is plenty of oxygen in the minerals on the surface of the Moon.

2) The water indicators seem to cover the entire surface but they are much more concentrated in the polar regions.

3) Where there is liquid water, there is an increased possibility of life. The samples returned from the Moon were relatively small, the amount water contained in such small samples would be extremely difficult to detect. The instruments on the spacecraft scan large areas and are sensitive in the extreme.

someone should post the pic from the times article. the moon is looking pretty colourful in it. I see some green, anyone else see that?

I just wonder....

IF there really is water "on its surface" of the moon, then how does it stay on the surface?
I mean, it would evaporate almost instantly when the sun shines on it, and since there is no atmosphere, it will evaporate also.

I see a serious flaw on this.

According to the Wired article, they think it forms and evaporates pretty much continuously as the solar winds push hydrogen into the minerals.

Also, even though the "water" itself is only a couple molecules thick, or basically non-existent, it's still a pretty remarkable discovery. It doesn't surprise me in the least that NASA would have waited for confirmation before releasing that kind of information. This doesn't mean the moon can support life or that anyone was performing some kind of massive disinformation scheme, it just means they discovered something that they weren't entirely convinced about and wanted to research it further before "unveiling" it.

Great posts by the way, Phage. I like you.

Edit: And I think one of the most interesting things about this story is that the same thing could be happening to other airless inner-system planets.

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Exactly, that is why it cannot be liquid on the surface. But it could be in the form of ice. When is warmed by the sun it would sublimate (evaporate) but some of the water vapor would refreeze at night. They think that is the reason there is more near the poles, there is not as much warming so the ice would tend to accumulate there.

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This is outstanding news....

I have always wonder about how our existance would be like if the moon had the chance that Earth got at supporting life? Can you imagine looking up to the sky an instead of seeing that boring grey rocky looking thing we would have gotten a blue pearl to look at, live or had planetary neighbors?...

I read somewhere that John Lear had a fall out with some of the people at ATS. Some of his comments about the moon are on You Tube:
www.youtube.com...
He has many other videos on You Tube as well.
His statements about an atmosphere on the moon are remarkable, as well as his comments on water on the moon.

John, if your out there, do you care to comment?

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Thats is right...it looks like a little vindication for John Lear with this news. Not that im a big fan of him or anything but he has been talking about this for years.

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I'm interested to learn more about what Chandrayaan-1 found. I don't trust the Times to get the details right.

The Times of India published an article yesterday, the article is about a Major discovery that NASA will announce today. (Times of India is the largest selling English newspaper in the world).

There are speculations that the discovery may be water. We will have to wait for today's announcement and hope that it is water.

Did India’s maiden Moon mission Chandrayaan-1 find water on the lunar surface before the project was aborted? There were indications on
Tuesday that it had. An announcement about a ‘‘major discovery’’ made by Chandrayaan-I is expected on Thursday, and the buzz is that this could be about water on the Moon. If true, credit for this much-awaited discovery, however, could go to Nasa’s Moon Minerology Mapper (M3), one of the payloads on board Chandrayaan

For now, neither Isro nor Nasa is speaking about the discovery. A spokesman for Brown University also declined comment, saying there was an embargo. "It will be a major announcement of a major discovery and is something great for Chandrayaan. It will mark a major leap for India’s space programme,

Source: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...

Great News, now Nasa can cancel their Bombing of ET bases, I mean the Moon surface to look for water.

Is it water ice, or liquid water?

It doesn't surprise me in the least that NASA would have waited for confirmation before releasing that kind of information. This doesn't mean the moon can support life or that anyone was performing some kind of massive disinformation scheme, it just means they discovered something that they weren't entirely convinced about and wanted to research it further before "unveiling" it.

Oh... come on. They have had numerous spacecraft up there and they have suspected water on the moon since the 60's when the Moon rocks came back. They initially thought that the Moon rocks had been contaminated by water from Earth. One of the news articles (maybe Wired, I cannot remember) talks about how the scientist who is releasing one of the articles in Science today, found spectra indications of water 10 years ago. If NASA suspected water up there, you can bet your bottom dollar that they would have sent something up there to confirm or deny it. They just have not told us, thats all.

As someone just said, I also find it interesting in the Times news article that we are now allowed to consider the Moon as having these green and blue colours, like Earth.

Wow great discovery, wasn't even aware that India were in the space race, can't wait to see what nasa have to say about it later on today