Forced H1N1 Vaccination is Terrorist Act of WAR

I have read the thread, and passed it on to a number of different forums and social networking sites (particularly to those that believe that there is nothing to worry about).

I dunno about TPTB with regards to this ... nefarious plot, or money-hungry CEO's it could be.

To me it's about basic rights. Someone stabs me with an H1N1 vaccine, I'm likely to stab back - a bit harder I may add.

AND FOR THOSE WHO SAY HEALTHCARE PROFESSIONALS SHOULD GET IT SO AS NOT TO ENDANGER THEIR PATIENTS:

Remember, most vaccines are only 70-90% effective. You are not really making a safe bet by taking your child to a doctor who's been vaccinated. He/she could easily still have H1N1. Safer, logic would say. But how do you know that those 70-90% that did not get the flu would have got it without the vaccine? Ever think that maybe some of their immune systems are just more resistant? No real facts here on either side, just conjectures in the end ...

EDIT: www.cdc.gov... says 70-90% effective

[edit on 9/24/2009 by Fiverz]

reply to post by nydsdan

How do you feel about mandatory vaccinations to measles, mumps, rubella, hepatitis and varicella?

You are talking about two totally different things. To compare a series of vaccinations that have been tested and approved for decades, to an experimental vaccine is an illogical argument at best.

Throw on, they are so unsure regarding the H1N1 vac., they have offered legal immunity to the makers, well common sense tells me, they expect serious adverse reactions.

So you go ahead, if you have no reservations, maybe we can monitor your progress here on ATS

I must say that seen from France, this letter is very compelling. H1N1 killed very very few people in France (more won the Lotto), and thus so far there is no mandatory vaccination programmed, even for medical personnal.

sucks mate, but they will just state its not against her will. She can choose to take the vaccine and keep or job, or find a different one.

I feel you all the way, and I will not let anyone put a needle in my arm, but that seems to be the way things are going.

reply to post by Revealation



I see your frustration, however if our medical workers are not vaccinated, we might as well avoid hospitals, and tough it out in the fear that it may just be a more common flu.

Medical professionals are our first line defense, and if we lose our confidence in them, we may as well go back to grinding leaves for headache cures and hiding in caves, avoiding human contact except to breed.

Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by Revealation

Originally posted by grahag

If you want to freak out, then by all means, do it, but do it in a way that helps you. File a protest, make it formal, and then take a stand and deal with the consequences. You're adults and it makes sense that you act like adults. Getting all huffy and throwing a tantrum isn't going to do you any good. Take legal action and make it count. If you have any conviction in your cause, it's the adult thing to do.

Who's getting huffy? The whole idea of this thread is to get ideas and input on how to deal with this in the correct manner. I don't get huffy. I'm one of 2 ways. Compsed or extremely violant when physically confronted and given no alternative. Considering i'm posting on this site, I would say I haven't had the need to be violant. Hence handling the situation like an adult but I thank you for your input as it's good to see how different people interperet the meanings of someone's statements.

I don't want to have to go back and find ALL of your posts, but the original post has gems like "They are nothing more than a bunch of Murderous, thieving corrupt, decietful, lying scum who need to be put in their place ." and "They should all be tried for treason and each one prosecuted accordingly to the fullest extent of the law. As a matter of fact any of their sentences should be tripled because they studied and trained in the LAW and intentionally used the knowledge they gained to intentionally manipulate and abuse their powers while billions suffer. "

You were going great until you started blaming the ills of the world on these folks. The entire thread is pretty dramatic, but you make it look like you have no choices, but there are ALWAYS choices. Legal, Sane, Reasonable choices. Terrorism is when some crazies fly planes into a building loaded with civilians. An act of war is when a country invades another country. You can argue semantics, but this might be fascism at the top end of the argument and bad policy at the bottom end.

I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations, but I have a choice and so do you. You may not LIKE the choices you have, but they're there.

Being told take teh vaccine or lose your job (Security for your family) is not a choice. Plus the OP has every right to be a little mad right now. Thats the problem with this whole mess everyone is taking it and not standing up for what they believe. The OP is helping spread the word so that he can get people moving together and is a great example for all of us I say , in my opinion anyway.

It must be nice to live in your world thats all I can say. Its not as black and white as you paint it. I'm afraid in reality there is many shades of grey.

reply to post by tempest501


If the people that treat us are infected, we wont go to the hospitals.
The rest of us should just cancel our medical insurance, and pay faith healers and shamans for what ails us.

When that happens, she won't have an industry to work in.





[edit on 24-9-2009 by Gunpowder Plot]

I haven't read the complete thread, so if this has already been posted I apologize for the duplication.

New York is an "at will" state. They can fire someone for any reason and they know it. It stinks, but what doesn't about this whole flying pig flu. I don't know how something that is unconstitutional (if forced vaccination is) stands under the at will law.

Perhaps people should start looking for new jobs now with an employer that won't require the vaccinations. Maybe if enough people say NO, they will rethink their mandatory vaccinations. However, with jobs being hard to come by, they probably won't have any trouble filling the positions, since there are so many sheeple willing to do whatever they're told.

Here's a link to NY's at will law. Good luck. If you fight, you're fighting for all of us...for this I thank you.

www.nysegov.com...

Originally posted by Shamanix
This site is so hypocritical, I post one word... BLOTTER and get it mod erased, while people here can openly threaten the government with violence (which I applaud btw) , talk about different strains of weed to send back in time, mention coc aine, and other equally "disturbing" talk

so lsd is such a taboo topic why? I bet this will be deleted, haha, this site is the conspiracy theory

No, probably just off-topic.

I've worked at a hospital for about six years now and have often wondered what I would do if vaccination would become mandatory for the regular seasonal flu. For the past couple of years I've signed the waiver form saying I refuse to take the flu shot (before there was no waiver that needed to be signed, I just didn't get the shot). When I was originally hired I was required to be tested for immunity and get any vaccinations for what I wasn't immune to and so it turned out I didn't show immunity to measles, I think it was, so I had to get the full MMR shot which I wasn't too happy about but I was in debt at the time and needed the job so I went ahead and got it. Now fast forward some years and now there is this swine flu. Fortunately since I started this job I've lived frugally and saved well and given I have no children and living alone I could live off of my savings for years without a job and so if the swine flu vaccination were to become mandatory it would become an easy call for me as I would just leave the job, but not without at least trying some evasive maneuvers first.

Here's what I've thought of for a couple ideas for vaccine avoidance. But keep in mind they're only ideas for which I have not tested, nor have I heard of anyone else trying, therefore I have barely more than a clue about whether these ideas would have any chance at success.

First, one could go to one's physician and tell the doctor that every time one has eaten an egg, and only an egg with no condiments or even salt, oil, butter, onions or mushrooms added one has had an allergic reaction shortly after eating the egg. The doctor may then be able to clinically determine that the patient has an allergy to eggs and be willing to document that as so.

I don't know if a patient giving such a history would be sufficient for a doctor to document the allergy as such but after working in hospital myself for so many years I've come to the conclusion that the people making the rules in hospitals, the same sorts of people who stress the importance of vaccines, are very afraid of allergies and the litigious danger that goes along with exposing or administering drugs that a patient is allergic too. Therefore I think that in an abundance of caution, a physician, in his or her own interest may want to readily document a patient as having a given allergy even if there is a low level of certainty in the diagnosis. That is, from the doctors perspective giving a wrong diagnosis as being positive for an allergy is not endangering the patient (it's not like the patient faces harm for not eating eggs) but giving the wrong diagnosis of being negative for an allergy posses great danger for the patient and therefore the physician for malpractice.

If by chance one were to be less than truthful with their doctor regarding an allergic reaction to eggs, it would probably be in the patient's best interest not to reveal the dishonesty to anyone. However if successful one could simply communicate to coworkers what exactly one said to one's doctor and what kind of documentation resulted from that conversation with one's physician and how that related to not getting vaccinated. Hopefully one's coworkers would catch on and the next thing you know a perplexing epidemic of egg allergies would emerge among workers in the health care industry.

Second Idea:

While I've refused the season flu vaccine I've gotten my annual mantoux skin test for TB and even with that I've had to sign a consent first. That made me think; I thought this was a mandatory test, why do I have to consent to do something that is mandatory? Suppose one were to verbally agree to have the shot but refuse to sign the consent to have the shot. In that case the nurse administering the shot would refuse to give you the shot and one could say I didn't refuse the shot, they refused to give the shot to me. I don't know if this would be a loophole with any chance of success but as a last resort might be worth a try.

Is your Wife in the health care industry i.e. is she a nurse or something?

I can understand why she would have to be vaccinated if that were the case. However, its still a little spurious to say the least. Has your wide been force to provide evidence that she has been vaccinated for things like Rubella or measles, and considering normal flu is just as much a killer to swine flu, has she ever been asked to provide evidence of a normal flu vaccination?

If the answer is no to the above , then all I can say its strange. What the letter looks like its saying is that your wife is in the health care profession and that if she does not get the vaccine then she will be fired.

Can anyone in the states take this to a human rights commission? In the EU with have a human right commission that represent things like this.

I think these forced vaccinations could be one of two things, if it is not a genuine thing that is.

1)You are selected to live through the culling on humanity, and the vaccine will help you live.

2) You have been selected to die ....in which case the vaccine will make you weaker.

Either way it bites.

In a last post of mine somewhere on ATS, I talked about something I learned a while back called the "Slide Technique" used by the CIA and MI5. This is a trick whereby you cry wolf so many times that when the real thing happens you ignore it and the Slide generally occurs after 3 events or 3 bits of information.

I think that SARS, Bird Flu and Swine Flu where the slide, the next one will be the biggy.

This works like this, SARS comes to town...everyone panics and feels stress, Bird Flu comes, Everyone panics and feels stress. Swine flu comes, everyone kind of panics but then realises that SARS and Bird Flu were just a load of hype and forget the whole thing.

When the NEW...lets call it NWO Flu comes, everyone has already been bitten 3 times and think...oh well its just another flu that caused a load of media hype...then Bang...its the real thing.

So could the vaccine (which does seemed to have been designed and tested pretty quickly considering. Generally a drug has to go through years and years of testing. Seems like Tami Flu made it through pretty quick) have been designed to protect us from that 4th NWO Flu. As in if you get a letter you might be one of the 500,000 left on earth? And would you want to live through that omega event ?

First of all I would like to thank everyone for their input (positive and negative alike) along with all the suggestions,ideas and info you've provided and apologize if I haven't addressed everyone's posts personally as it's overwhelming to keep up.

As for those who claim they believe health care workers should be vaccinated I understand your concern but as I stated it's the responsibility of a responsible person in this profession to propperly assess, handle and maintain the job requirements for a safe environment for which they have been doing. Most staff (approx 60%) refuse the annual flu shot which is responsible for way more deaths and yet they don't seem to have a pandemic of infecting their patients, so you can rest assured they were/are trained very well. We of course know there are always acceptions to the rule.

Just so you know, My family were basically ground zero in NY for the swine flu. My 15 year old son got it from his school (St Francis Prep in Queens) where students came back from Mexico with it and it spread like wildfire.We kept him in his room and he was fine within a few days. Nobody else in the house was infected. I have a 5&6 yr old and my wife and myself were fine. So all the drama (in my eyes) is overhyped. As many posted. There's more deaths annually from the regular flu and look at the stats for smoking, yet there's wasn't any mandatory protocol on them.

As for those who think I'm being dramatic with my words and claim my wife has a choice.....Her choices are to take a shot or lose your income and livelihood which she worked hard for years to obtain and with honors at that and to think it wasn't intentionally timed whith the widespread economic problems currently plaguing this country. Looks a little suspicious if you ask me.

The ignorance astounds me and I just don't see how you can't comprehend, that in order to Threaten, Intimidate , Coerce or Blackmail people into succumbing to your will... isn't percieved as Terrorism

Terrorism isn't just flying planes into buildings.That is a severe form of it.Terrorism is to create fear among the public via threats or acts of violence. Your understanding of terrorism is extremely lacking so please do your homework.

reply to post by Revealation


Mercola has posted this important information. Only people who are well informed and stand up for themselves will survive this genocide! How To Legally Avoid Unwanted Immunizations Of All Kinds

you can legally charge them with "assault with a deadly weapon" and have the full resources of our laws behind you.

Shots in the dark is an unreleased Canadian documentary which describes the ravages unknowing care workers have been causing...reCreating these verulent deseases and mixing them with emuno-suppressant lethal chemicals is -The True Act of Terrorism Every rightssupressing de facto bill that has been passed is fraudulent, every branch of society has been infiltrated by deceitful and soulless charlatans who help set this fiasco in place...sad


Good luck and stay safe





[edit on 24-9-2009 by HulaAnglers]

They obviously have plans for the military to administer the vaccine, because they are insisting that the Doctors take it. Also Sheriffs and their families. They want these people out of the way. The United Nations troops are ready and available and we also have more American soldiers deployed here, both in violation of the Constitution. I think it is time we have a march, not on Washington, except for people who live near there, but on our State Capitals, or any large city if you live too far away from State Capital. The march on Washington was tremendous but the media downplayed it. If march is local, more people will wake up. We need to stop these vaccinations and we need to restore the Constitution. We need to demand that UN troops be removed and other violations of Constitution be ended.

Prison planet is showing a form for Chinese-American workers who are being required to take swineflu vaccination


www.prisonplanet.com...

That's some pretty scary scenario you guys are facing there. Out of all places in the USA too.

They'd never be able to try that on here in Australia.

Most concerning to see our beacon of freedom (US) just eroding the peoples rights all over the shop, I must say.

I fear countries like Australia will follow this lead. In fact we're lucky to have an especially strong Prime Minister right now.

You might consider looking for employment in the great State of Texas. The state is making rumbling noises about secession. ATS

Hi. Don't have time to read all of the replies so I don't know if this has already been stated.

Your wife is not being physically forced against her will as you stated. She has the option not to accept the vaccine (at this point). Of course, if she refuses the vaccine, she will lose her job. There is still the semi-illusion of choice here. So it isn't an act of war/terrorism/slavery or anything so vile. Sorry, but I don't think you have a case for court here.