God Hates You.

reply to post by JacobNH




the world may be created, but we create the reality of it, with our thoughts, not God's thoughts.
Besides, we don't have a clue about how the rest of the Universe looks like.

Guess this is not the topic to discuss loa, there are many more threads about that.

Let's just say I don't really believe in a God in the biblical sense

[edit on 21/9/2009 by GypsK]

reply to post by JacobNH


Jacob stay within the light.

No matter what your intentions for your thread were/are you must understand the importance of the Word.

manifestations are achieved through energy, thoughts are energy.

The thought...the word...The action = manifestation.

I understand what you are trying to say here but there are only two forces , these are LOVE and FEAR. Hate is just a smaller frequency within FEAR.

God is LOVE. LOVE IS all there is. there is no hate within Gods creations through you and for you. Hate is not within the Creators perfect LOVE for you.

FEAR (Hate) has been manifested through mans unconscious mind through thought...word...action and is NOT from the source.

Your awakened spirit within knows this Jacob, it seeks the highest feeling of LOVE and is always seeking you to connect to the Source. It does this every moment of the day, aiding you to seek the highest feeling within. Feelings are the language of the soul, those moments of pure unconditional love you may get fleeting connections to in meditation is your soul saying THIS IS ME!! THIS is GODS connection to you. Never does God speak to you with hate, the Source is complete and unconditional LOVE and has no frequency of hate within.

We are ONE. In the beginning we all knew we were one, we were all that ever was and all that ever could be. Yet the one wished to experience this, knowing is not the same as experiencing, so duality was born. We can only experience what we are within the presence of what we are not. (from the Big Bang the Light created dark to constantly remind you of what you are not)The source does not hate you Jacob, Being loves you more than anything because it is you and you are it. It can not hate itself. It only wishes you to remember who you are within form (duality). For it is when we remember who we are whilst within form that the Source experiences itself through us.

As for your title...stay within the light that is all I will say on that Written Word. Your word manifests your reality, be careful what you manifest. No matter what intentions you may have had for this thread, what thought provoking posts you wished to bring about, your title is now within the Energy Manifesting Matrix as it is written.

reply to post by Mr Green


S for you, your very good with words.

Have you ever heard of the theory of 'the dark night of the soul'? I think almost everyone goes through that before awaking, and maybe that's what the OP is going through.
He's asking quesions, questioning things, seeking answers...that's good. Eventually his own experiences will bring him to better places and better thoughts.

I really like your post

reply to post by Selahobed


Wow, that was a good post.
I'm not quite sure what to say, but that was very good.
I guess that theory works extremely well if you belive God to be a single being, a Creationist that created Us, the Universe and all.

reply to post by GypsK

Let's just say I don't really believe in a God in the biblical sense

That makes two of us

reply to post by Mr Green


There are two choices in life. Fear/Hate and Love. Your source can be Loving, and full of light, or it can be Hateful, and full of darkness.

That depends on how you live your life, and manifest your reality. If you manifest love, then the Source will love you, and you will feel the purest of love and light. If you manifest hate, then you know what happens then.

Love is my connection with oneness, because i manifest love and allow it. For people that reject love, they know only darkness.

Of course, there is only one Source. Much like life, there are many aspects to it. How you live you life and manifest it reflects which part of the Source you will engage.

The Source is everything, and that dear friend, includes the bad things too.

Namaste.
Love&Light

Jacob

Originally posted by JacobNH
If love was more powerful that hate, then why isn't it present in everyday life? If anything, hate is the easy route, and love is the long route.
Again, this comes down to balance.

I noticed you'd made the same assumption in your opening post. No where in the Bible does it say "God must be balanced", rather that's recognized as a Taoist viewpoint according to the Tai Chi diagram. If anything, those who believe in "capital G" such as Christians would be absolutists, whereas there is indeed an absolute good and absolute evil. Under the same assumption of your original post, parents hate their children because they spank them. Parents, however, know better. Love is present in everyday life, we tend not to recognize it though, as we're negatively-based creatures (one of the flaws of a sin-focused nature). Yes, I read the whole post including the questioning lilt at the end to make it sound like the previous statments were not intended as a truly believed viewpoint.

I also wonder how individuals who enjoy starting an argument (especially with blanket generalizations about what others 'must therefore believe') say "Namaste". That sounds like 'one' very conflicted soul indeed.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by saint4God]

reply to post by JacobNH


Well, I see where you're coming from. You're talking about universal balance.

My personal outlook is that Satan is the balance for the love of God. He manifests the inherent evil in man which collectively balances out the love of God.

I think that if it were true God had to hate us as much as He loves us, then we too would be that way. I for one, do not have even a fraction of the amount of hate as compared to love in my heart. We're all part of Him and characteristics of Him. That's where His "universal balance" comes from. He is balanced by the fact that His creations are balanced.

Hopefully you can understand my limited rhetoric.

A2D

Originally posted by JacobNH

God Hates You.

fallacy!

I do NOT hate myself, thank you very much!


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[edit on 21-9-2009 by prevenge]

reply to post by JacobNH


Pretty sad, that's all I have to say about the OP.

Originally posted by OmegaPoint
reply to post by JacobNH

 

Pretty sad, that's all I have to say about the OP.

Omega Point, you know you could say a lot more and it may be very helpful.

Jacob you must be coming from a Christian background.
For one the word God (silly name) secondly you called God (silly name) he.

Source is source and I dont think it has emotions.
Must less hates you.I like you Jacob but I think this thread was a bit of sensationalism.

reply to post by JacobNH


You said "there are two choices in life. Fear/Hate and Love".

That is the point. That is the entire point. I believe in God, and I believe he gave us free will.

It is that, our free will, which determines how we live our lives as individuals, and how utimately we function in our societies, and how we function as a global community.

For all we know, God sits and cries everyday seeing the choices we make.
It has nothing to do with whether he hates us or loves us.

He doesn't "let us" starve, or die in wars, or any of the other horrible fates which befall us. We do it to ourselves, and we do it to our fellow humans.

He may hate you.

A lot of folks assume that the opposite of love is hate.

It isn't.

The opposite of love is apathy.

There is a hair-fine line between love and hate as we see examples of all around us.

If God is all that is good, and cannot tolerate sin, then yes, he can't be around it, being pure.

He set the wheels in motion, gave us choice, and lets us create our own miseries.

And then He gets blamed.

Whatever.

Is God capable of having `emotions` ?

Are our emotion not just the sum of our neural activity , requiring the suitable biological hardware.

Have we created God in our image ?

So form of anthropomorphism .Are we projecting some ideal of ourselves .... the super human.

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Can one `surprise` God ?

To a God possessing the attributes such as omnipotence & omniscience, the human narrative must be like a film seen a thousand times. Predictable.

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Ahhhh .... its easy tie oneself in knots wrestling with such thoughts
I`ll finish up before i do myself an injury .

[edit on 21-9-2009 by UmbraSumus]

Ever since Adam and Eve were banished from Eden they have became of Earth. Once they have became of Earth, we are no longer under God's jurisdiction since He is of spirit and we are of earth. It's much like how the Fallen Angels got tainted by Women.

However, God loves us (in his own questionable way) so he gave us commandments. He did this to give our spirits safe passage into Heaven. Since humans can be a bit too hard headed, he sent Christ to re-tell us the commandments in a more expanded way.

God can easily destroy the world if he wants to (The Deluge = To eliminate the fallen angels' offspring) since we're a failed project. However, he does love his creations so he gives us a chance to "cleanse" our spirit since he cannot cleanse it on his own (see the previous paragraphs).

With the Fallen Angels' offspring becoming Earthbound Spirits after their flesh got destroyed, the Earth now faced antagonists in the form of Evil Spirits. Now, here's where I'm stumped. These Evil Spirits are of spirits. Why does God not send angels to eliminate these Evil Spirits. They're both of spirit, so it's easy for angels to eliminate them.

Now, here's a probable (personal) explanation that I just formulated: Evil Spirits have in them a mixture of earth and angelic spirit which is a contamination beyond repair. Human spirit is of earth and partial God's spirit so it can be repaired.

For an explanation on why God and His angels aren't talking to us anymore like before, it's probably because they're not here. They're probably in another part of the universe, seeding countless creations. Since God is a busy fellow, he's going to send Christ and his goons in the future to end us. Maybe "end" is the wrong word. Christ's second coming probably means that we're on our expiration date and it's time to shut us down properly (saving us).

As for the absurdly long time-span. Remember that every life-form or element/planet/thing/whatnot in the universe has a different life/time-span hence they view times in different ways.

Another explanation that is quite different from the above is that God is a student and we're his show and tell/science project/assignment in his petri-dish due Monday. Monday is our doomsday. He probably talked to us before but his breath wiped his project away so he already knows what he shouldn't do.

How do you know OP? Did you even ask him?
And then, actually listen to him?

God hates no one!

Only what the devil does to deceive people about him.
Good luck with your journey my friend!

I'll say it again;

Balance is Harmony!!!

Symetry creates Balance

Balance creates Control

Control creates Stability

Stability is Bliss

Bliss is what you want it to be.....

Im not a religious man, tho if there is a god, he knows the deal between us.

[edit on 22/9/2009 by scubagravy]

reply to post by JacobNH

then surely life would be biased.

Are you suggesting that life is not biased?

The love and the hate cancel eachother
out, presenting an emotionless God.

Since when do love and hate cancel each other out? I suppose up and down also cancel each other out and there is no such thing as right here?

So therefore that must mean God hates you just as much as he loves you.

I find your thought process convoluted. How about define some of these words you're using so we know what you're talking about. If by God you mean "magical, bearded man in the sky" then your conclusion is baseless. If by God you mean "sum total of all consciousness that exists in the universe" then yes, it's likely that some of that hates us and some of that loves us. Though I see no particular reason to assume that there would need to be any sort of balance between these.

Finally, I'm not convinced that love and hate are merely feelings. It's reasonable to suspect that when somebody says "God loves you" and somebody else says "my dog loves me" they might mean different things. We'd need to know what you mean by it to have any idea what you're trying to say.

My relationship with God is volatile and sometimes I hate Him and believe that He hates me. I do not however, believe that God feels emotion as humans do. I believe that emotion is the product of biochemical response to stimuli. So when my life is not going so good and I blame God and hate Him for it, His response is not emotional.

But love and hate are not just emotions. They are also words that communicate ideological or esoterical concepts that seem to exist not only within the hearts of humanity but also in the grand battle between good and evil. Why does humanity seems so driven to fight this battle, within our own hearts, and against those who do not adhere to our view of the world? Why do we perceive ourselves to be of 'special' interest to God?

I believe that God has not completed His Creation, that humanity is special, pivotal even, in the grand plan that unfolds and is moving toward the point where love and hate cease and Truth can just be.

To get to that stage, humanity, who right at the very beginning, chose to share knowledge of these things with God, has to suffer the reality of Truth in the making, and that means having to suffer such depleting emotions such as hate and the heart of darkness that feeds it. This is were we can see that whilst the parent child analogy for humanity's understanding of our relationship with God is apt, we are in fact not actual children in God's eye, that we may in fact become highly prized spiritual warriors, actively involved in God's plan.

As a Christian who believes that Jesus is Lord of All, I have to add that I believe that God made the universe the way He did for a reason, that I dont understand that reason but that it is all ok because Jesus understands it, He has already conquered death, and in the fullness of time, will crush everything that gives rise to hate.

This is promised in the Revelation. All pain and suffering will cease to exist.

NO, YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND GOD DOESN'T LOVE ANY OF YOU...HE ONLY LOVES ME....GOT IT?

THE VOICES HAVE CONFIRMED THIS.

reply to post by JacobNH

Loved the title, it gave me a great belly laugh, thanks.

The concept of God loves you, is based entirely on what we humans think about what exists all around us.

Because we choose and experience negativity and positivity in our lives, does not mean that Duality must exist everywhere, aka God. We just think it does.

Love what you said here...

The love and the hate cancel eachother out, presenting an emotionless God. That would solve alot of lifes mysteries, wouldn't it?

Yes it would, and you know with that idea you are on to something.

If we do not care what one electron in an atom from one skin cell on our arm is doing then why should a god or energetically-aware universe care what a tiny portion of itself is doing?

Also, the quoted sentences hint at the non-existence of Duality in the biggest picture, the cancelling (sp) out scenario.

Your last question is interesting also because it speaks of choices. To be living in this dense reality we must have made a choice at some level of awareness, since we are the electrons within the thing we call god.

Useless eaters, thank you for another great laugh today.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by Tayesin]

This post is really just a mimic of some very deep Theological discussions. Really the OP has two questions hes already incorrectly answered to come to the conclusion that God hates us.

1) Can God with all his power create God.
and
2) If God is the creator of all things then isn't he the creator or the author of sin
If you answer Yes, to both of these then you can make a pretty decent arguement that God indeed hates us. But lets look at the real answers here.

1) God cannot create God, to be God you would have no creation, God is Infinite and omnipotent both of those are required to be truely all knowing all powerful God, this would be the same as asking God to create a rock that he didn't create. Because you have contradicted yourself it cancels out.
2) Since God cannot create God, anything he creates is less than God, anything less than God will have a lesser than nature of God, less righteouss as God less loving as God and less merciful as God. God can impute his loving, righteous, merciful will onto beings in such cases as angels who are perfect and loving but are still not God, but he did not choose to do so in Adams case, as Adam was given a choice to eat of the fruit and disobey God or to be faithful and obey God. We know which one he chose. Humanity and all of its problems is not that God hates us, the real problem and question nobody seems smart enough to answer is Why do we hate God? All creation that is given the oppurtunity (Not imputed with God's will) has betrayed God, even while being Exalted over all others by God directly, Satan was the most favored angel, Adam was given a perfect paradise, a companion, and domain over the earth. God chose the Israelites over all other people, God chose and exalted the Gentiles through the Christ. All four turned away from God, even while benefiting favortism from God. So let me ask the real questions Why do we hate God, and why shouldn't God hate us.