Admiral Hill-Norton "we have been visited for many years

Originally posted by tallcool1
reply to post by fls13

 

Maybe they are "speaking out" about aliens because it is just a clever ruse to keep the focus off of what is really flying in the skies above us - and that is highly classified man made craft created out of our own intelligence and Earth based materials. Alien visitation is just a clever cover story to keep the sheep focused on something else.

Possibly in some instances but unlikely on the whole.

If you were in possession of advanced technology and weaponry, and found a divided planet full of people, where would you pick to land or talk to people?

Any one nation will look like they are prefered. Any one group could use it as leverage. Anywhere you land to announce yourself is a statement of preference.

Introduce yourselves by global broadcast? But only part of the population would ever recieve it directly. Broadcast without technology as a receiver, if you even could, you have the problem of interpretation of the general populace. Gods are talking to me! Satan speaks from the trees! Jinn and Demons abound!

Then only a segment of that population even has the barest education to even have the slightest possible clue about is going on. Fewer still even have the capacity through education or empowerment, to even question what they are told by others about what it MEANS.

Because, it'll MEAN something and probably many somethings even if it is the same message to everyone.

Then there is the spin off. Its a TRICK by whichever group seems like they are the prefered point of contact. Its a CIA operation! The JEWS are screwing with us! The KGB is running a psy-op! Its a new form of advertizing!

There is no good option, no safe option for how to talk to us, where to talk to us, who and where to announce yourself, and every single thing you do can and will be used as leverage.

Who would YOU talk to if it was you?

[edit on 2009/9/23 by Aeons]

reply to post by ArMaP


Whenever you want some financial advice let me know, I'll find a very believable lap dancer.

As for retirement in 1977 he was a member of the House of Lords following that - sorry but you obviously have no idea of how the system works in the UK.

He would have had access to information long after his retirement.

As to not investigating first hand we get back to the weight of opinion argument. He was told directly by some very serious chaps who had first hand knowledge.

His statements, same as Hilkoenhetter and many others, clearly indicate at the highest levels of the armed forces and Govt (at least UK and US) it was known that there was an unexplained (and unexplainable) very real phenomenon occuring that warranted serious scientific investigation.

Countries go to war on the advice of these people - do you not think serious scientific investigations wouldn't have been launched because of their advice ?

However, you are welcome to your opinion, and as you rightly point out any readers will have to determine for themselves the weight of either of these opinions.

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Does it have to be on official letterhead?

But it IS on an official 'letterhead' NSA, CIA, MoD, Canada, France and others have released OFFICIAL UFO files on their official sites and the NSA page has been up since 2000

Disclosure NSA Style
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Ostriches... that's what we have here... a HERD of Ostriches... a very BIG herd....

I mean no disrespect for this man or others of his ilk.... but


Why do these guys come out and offer us their "opinions"? You would think someone of high rank and importance such as this gentleman, well they would "know" not "think" or "opine".

So the question is, when someone like this tells us their "opinion", should we be taking this as fact? Is this their way of getting around actually disclosing this info?


What one of these gents needs to do is leave the motherload of evidence somewhere to be found after they die. Send a note and a key to an anonymous PO box, to someone unrelated or perhaps to the owners of a site like ATS. Something like that........

Anyway, as far as aliens being here already. IF they are here and our government is in contact with them. I am sure they are here for a reason, otherwise why be here? Anyway, If our gov is allowing them to or providing them with whatever it is they need, then why disclose? There would be no point.

The only argument for disclosure from an alien standpoint would be they are friendly and want to help us.

The only argument for disclosure from our government standpoint would be that we are about to be invaded. What possible other reason could there be.

Originally posted by chunder
Whenever you want some financial advice let me know, I'll find a very believable lap dancer.

I see I wasn't clear in what I said, it's not a question of believability, it's a question of showing that their opinion are not baseless and that some verifiable and undeniable facts were used to create those opinions.

As for retirement in 1977 he was a member of the House of Lords following that - sorry but you obviously have no idea of how the system works in the UK.

He would have had access to information long after his retirement.

As to not investigating first hand we get back to the weight of opinion argument. He was told directly by some very serious chaps who had first hand knowledge.

I have some idea of how the system works, but when people say that the admiral's opinion was important because he was the British Chief of the Defence Staff as if he had stated his opinions when he had that official position instead of having stated them only after his retirement, I think that the position he held at the time he made those statements is relevant to our interpretation of his opinions.

His statements, same as Hilkoenhetter and many others, clearly indicate at the highest levels of the armed forces and Govt (at least UK and US) it was known that there was an unexplained (and unexplainable) very real phenomenon occuring that warranted serious scientific investigation.

He doesn't talk about scientific investigation, he talks about having those events having "defence interest", I don't see in his words a real scientific interest.

Countries go to war on the advice of these people - do you not think serious scientific investigations wouldn't have been launched because of their advice ?

For that I have two answers:
1. We don't know if there was any scientific investigation done, either because he said what he said or not. The fact that we don't know of any doesn't mean that there was none.
2. What he said is not different from what other people have been saying, before and after he said it, and this was not his field of expertise, if he himself considered those things unknown he could only advise about actions to unknown things, not actions to military movements or political decisions, things in which decisions to go to war are usually based.

Funny that , most girls in university become lap dancers to fund their way through university , so maybe taking her advice over a doctor or lawyer may have its merits afterall!

its down to that old saying " dont judge a book by its cover"

anyways , im sure we are all in agreement that people's opinions of others beliefs are simply based on their social standing and general appearance!

so we can move on from that point of debate.

And lets try to find out more of what Hill-Norton was trying to uncover by pressing the UK governement for further evidence on UFO's and related government projects. Armap nice one finding nortons further investigation!

Basically we need more people like Hill-Norton pressing the government and using their social/ political standing to press them further , or even to create a world wide scientific investigation by every country.

Although im starting to think that no one in governement anywhere in the world has concrete evidence of UFO's or ET's , nasa may have technology to look into the skys and in near earth orbit , but maybe they are just as clueless as us !
Sure there are videos of them on the shuttles with ufo's flying by , but it could be they are just as much in the dark as everyone else.

again this is my speculation!

I think in general ATS is full of people discussing /debating/ arguing/flaming each other over personal opinion and trying their damn hardest to 1 up each other on who has the best debating skills , instead of trying to reach a unilateral accepted truth , we slow down the process by being divided over the subject matter . Instead we should work together despite our differing opinions to reach a common goal , that being investigative efforts to uncover the truth behind UFO's and ET's visiting our planet! Instead of showing off how big your brain is , by flexing your mental muscles and knowledge of the english langauge , try stepping back for a moment , instead of destroying someones opinion and making them feel like their opinion is worthless , place your desire to flame them aside , stay on topic and be constructive to the thread.

enough talking from me, lunch break is over !
sorry i use far to many exclamation points hahahah

reply to post by sapien82

I think in general ATS is full of people discussing /debating/ arguing/flaming each other over personal opinion and trying their damn hardest to 1 up each other on who has the best debating skills , instead of trying to reach a unilateral accepted truth , we slow down the process by being divided over the subject matter . Instead we should work together despite our differing opinions to reach a common goal , that being investigative efforts to uncover the truth behind UFO's and ET's visiting our planet! Instead of showing off how big your brain is , by flexing your mental muscles and knowledge of the english langauge , try stepping back for a moment , instead of destroying someones opinion and making them feel like their opinion is worthless , place your desire to flame them aside , stay on topic and be constructive to the thread.

Thank you for your intervention sapien82 , A valid point well made , we do seem to be going over the same opinion over proof argument over and over but in cases like this that's all we have , one mans stated belief .

reply to post by sapien82


Most university girls are lap dancers?
Where the hell do you live?

reply to post by Stormseeker


I know its off topic, but could you please change your avatar it really creeps me out and puts me off reading your post lol
I know i sound like a wuss, and am going to get slammed for this, but it seriously freaks the bejesus out of me !!!

Originally posted by gortex
reply to post by sapien82

 

I think in general ATS is full of people discussing /debating/ arguing/flaming each other over personal opinion and trying their damn hardest to 1 up each other on who has the best debating skills , instead of trying to reach a unilateral accepted truth , we slow down the process by being divided over the subject matter . Instead we should work together despite our differing opinions to reach a common goal , that being investigative efforts to uncover the truth behind UFO's and ET's visiting our planet! Instead of showing off how big your brain is , by flexing your mental muscles and knowledge of the english langauge , try stepping back for a moment , instead of destroying someones opinion and making them feel like their opinion is worthless , place your desire to flame them aside , stay on topic and be constructive to the thread.

Thank you for your intervention sapien82 , A valid point well made , we do seem to be going over the same opinion over proof argument over and over but in cases like this that's all we have , one mans stated belief .

What a hypocritical statement. It's like you are high fiving each other for a well worded arguement that basically says that if you do not agree that aliens are visiting Earth, and are making valid points against it, you are just flaming and trying to feel like a big man. You could condense that whole paragraph into one sentence - Agree with my point or you're just a flamer. Why do we all have to reach your "unilateral truth"? YOU are the one labelling anyone who disagrees with your opinion.
This is the same thing as saying that anyone who disagrees with any of Obama's policies are racist.

Originally posted by PowerSlave
I mean no disrespect for this man or others of his ilk.... but


Why do these guys come out and offer us their "opinions"? You would think someone of high rank and importance such as this gentleman, well they would "know" not "think" or "opine".

Mainly because the official UK gov line is that there ARE unexplained phenomena, but there are NO national defence implications. The Admiral obviously disagrees with this, but only a small percentage of the MOD's documents relating to UFOs have been released, and these have redactions. The Admiral will still a signatory to the Official Secrets Act, limiting him to discussing only what is in the public domain. If he seems as though he is being careful with his language, it's because he is.

reply to post by ArMaP


Fair points and we could continue to debate, which seemingly isn't the purpose of this forum and isn't moving anything forward.

Therefore in response all I'll say is that due to his position, and the stated position of the MOD on "incidents" (only to be investigated if proven to be a defense threat), this dictated the wording that could be used on any official correspondence.

reply to post by tallcool1


Nah man I think that instead of having a discussion or debate on the actual topic it seems as though we put the topic to one side for a moment and then see who can shoot down the other person for having an opinion !

Im all for anyone having an opinion , its just we forget to construct and instead we end up personally attacking the other posters because we have differing opinions !

I strive to avoid being hypocritical and if my post came of that way then it wasnt intentional! I may not have used the correct wording in this case to explain my opinion , and im sorry if you have taken it the wrong way.

What part of "we should work together despite our differing opinions" made you think i was completely against anyone having an opinion or flaming them for it and acting the big man ?

and for the record there is nothing wrong with obamas socialist policies !

p.s. I like your avatar

PEACE

[edit on 25-9-2009 by sapien82]