The Reason For The Existence Of Life - What Are Your Views

This is an age old question. Why are 'We' and the rest of known life here? What purpose does it all serve?

There is a measure of information called Entropy which quantifies the amount of information needed to describe a system. This is central to the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Entropy is always increasing, meaning everything is getting less and less ordered.

As a system the Universe and everything in it wants to get to the lowest possible energy state as fast a possible. All the energy 'wants' to be converted and spread thoughout the universe until the universe consists of a thin, cold, homogenous soup spread throughout. (A poor description I know!)

Anyway, life temporarily bucks the increasing entropy trend by converting energy and using this energy to increase order, creating ever more complex life forms. This life then converts more energy, speeding up the entropy of the Universe as a whole. Life then spreads to fill every possible niche and it looks like we are just starting on spreading life to everywhere else possible in the Universe.

There are many examples of non-living systems producing tempory complexity to achieve the lowest energy state but none are as effective as life.

With this in mind, it is likely that the whole Universe is teeming with life, busily converting energy as it goes.

So what I have just poorly described is my take on the Reason For Life. Life is a by-product of entropy, which increases the total entropy of the Universe. I can't think of a better reason.

What are your views?

Disclaimer: I'm a theist but not of the Abrahamic faiths. I have minor biblical scholar and scriptural skills. Also I am not a scientific/legal or medical expert in any field. Beware of my Contagious Memes! & watch out that you don't get cut on my Occams razor.All of this is my personal conjecture and should not be considered the absolute or most definitive state of things as they really are. Use this information at your own risk! I accept no liability if your ideology comes crashing down around you with accompanying consequences.

Explanation: S&F!

1stly if the universe is not a closed system then just like the earth bathed in the suns rays, it wont reach its lowest state of entropy until long after the source of extra energy is totally depleted and radiated away!

2ndly this energy source could be ZPE!

3rdly if the universe is a closed system but entropy can become infinite instead of finite, then again there is no major problem posed by an ever increasing level of entropy.

Personal Disclosure: It is my belief that life and consequently consiousness exists due to a broken symmetry resulting in an anthropocentric supported existence.

Mabey like GOD created ANGLES to assist humans in our development. We as humans may have been created to assist other beings in development. This keeps the energy produced from CREATION CONTINUOUS going on (like a black hole processing old space energy) allowing the ANGLES to take a break and mabey enjoy their time in existance and relax instead of chasing us around (SEEMS OUR CREATOR PROCESSES OLD ENERGY INTO NEW ALL THE TIME). Also giving us a new responsibility to WATCH OVER THE NEW CREATIONS LIKE ALIENS OR OLD ANGLES in their UNIVERSE WHEREVER THEY MAY BE GROWING NOW OR ARE GROWN ALREADY WAITING FOR OUR ASSISTANCE. Dont know but there is my try.

I once heard or read that life is the universes way of understanding it's own existence.

The interesting thing is though... with more time ahead of the universe than there is behind it, I can only wonder at what is to come in the future... perhaps life is just and intermediary step to something else? Perhaps it will be superseded by something even grander?

IRM

It allows truth to be everything,
without being lies, and avoiding lies to exsist outside
truth, or truth wouldn't be absolute, which is an impossibility,
because truth is everything that is.

God.

Truth as absolute is free.
this life is paradox.
Lies included in truth believed by other lies.
forming a paradox as a plant,
which cancels out the lies.
Logic kills logic and what is left is still logic, still truth
but a better truth then never ending cycles and pain.
All pain is in this world, never to be remembered.

God is perfect.

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
I once heard or read that life is the universes way of understanding it's own existence.

The interesting thing is though... with more time ahead of the universe than there is behind it, I can only wonder at what is to come in the future... perhaps life is just and intermediary step to something else? Perhaps it will be superseded by something even grander?

IRM

Like the Universe itself becoming concious and pondering its own purpose?

Then realising it is but a speck in the infinite multitude of Universes.

Originally posted by LightFantastic
Like the Universe itself becoming concious and pondering its own purpose?

Then realising it is but a speck in the infinite multitude of Universes.

Quite possibly! I think life is probably a logical mechanism or evolution of the universe. It's impossible to separate us from the universe. We are in it, we are of it. Therefore we are a working component of something larger. No?

Science does say that nothing in nature ever happens once so I would imagine it's likely there are other universes. To suggest otherwise is tantamount to sitting in a windowless room pretending there is nothing beyond the door because you cannot see it.

Reality is not limited by what we can fathom.

IRM

Why is there life? To me that's a silly question, I mean what other possibility do you think there is? No life? That's just illogical. No life = no point.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

Originally posted by LightFantastic

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
I once heard or read that life is the universes way of understanding it's own existence.

The interesting thing is though... with more time ahead of the universe than there is behind it, I can only wonder at what is to come in the future... perhaps life is just and intermediary step to something else? Perhaps it will be superseded by something even grander?

IRM

Like the Universe itself becoming concious and pondering its own purpose?

Then realising it is but a speck in the infinite multitude of Universes.

This leads to the bubble theory. I've heard a theory that says universes are just like big bubbles with voids in between them. Think about blowing bubbles, literally, in your backyard. All of the bubbles represent universes. Interesting......

reply to post by LightFantastic

Why are 'We' and the rest of known life here? What purpose does it all serve?

Life is beautiful and we as soles are here to observe, appreciate and learn about life.

Here on earth we learn that life can be used in a negative way to tear down and generally make a mess of things. Or life can be beautiful and can be used beneficially. It's really all about soles, most of us are freshmen and just learning how to experience and appreciate life.

There is nothing here by accident, it is all a part of the overall. We can use it as we see fit but generally it is simply here to teach us to enjoy and appreciate life.

Life is just the universe trying to understand itself.

Originally posted by Twisted-Inside-Out
Why is there life? To me that's a silly question, I mean what other possibility do you think there is? No life? That's just illogical. No life = no point.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

It's far from a silly question. It's one of the biggest and most valid questions there is. I can only imagine you must imagine yourself a genius to be so condescending towards the OP. But then again, after reading your simplistic answer, it appears you are not!

Poor form!

IRM

I wonder what others, Not from the planet Earth would think, and would they see things in a completelly different light than the human primate.

Perhaps you won't find the answers by observing the experience you are in at present???

To understand we may have to look from outside this Universe experience...

Are you sure your real self is actually in a universe???

We may in fact be looking into what we call the universe, and not in it at all..

Its all a matter of interpretation of the experience really.

Afterall what we think we can prove one way or the other, is governed by the rules we place on the interpretation.

Its bit of a catch 22 situation isn't it???

Its like watching a movie on TV, where the movie may not inform you of how the TV works, but is only an experience seen through the TV ???

By observing your universe, this will Not give you the answers to what and how this manifestation is produced, just as in the case of the TV and its story shown on screen.

What is, (ie the processes) involved in producing the experience of a universe, is much different than the experience we refer to as the universe itself.

We, that is to say humankind, looks or experience in lack of knowledge of the All, and still profess to have knowledge and understanding...

Human primates are a funny species aren't they ???

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by Twisted-Inside-Out
Why is there life? To me that's a silly question, I mean what other possibility do you think there is? No life? That's just illogical. No life = no point.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

It's far from a silly question. It's one of the biggest and most valid questions there is. I can only imagine you must imagine yourself a genius to be so condescending towards the OP. But then again, after reading your simplistic answer, it appears you are not!

Poor form!

IRM

You misunderstand me. To me it is a silly question, to someone else, it's up to them if it's silly or not. There is no objective silliness, anywhere, ever.

You say I was condescending to the OP. Again you misunderstood. I did not call the OP silly, or his question silly I can only describe MY perspective, which no one has any business being offended/condescended by.

Believe it or not InfraRedMan, one day you just may KNOW the truth (of self) beyond all doubt. You seem to scoff at my simplistic answer. Well, that answer was an unsimplified version. The true simplicity of the truth is mind bogglingly ridiculous. The simplicity of the truth gives it a level of difficulty to rival that of understanding something of infinite difficulty.

There is only one problem with knowing, and it's a big one. You can't tell anyone, it's just not possible, because it's not something that is "told" or "conveyed" from one person to another.

I apologize for sounding condescending, I understand that I do tend to come across that way, but I never intend it. Like I said, no one has any business being offended by my perspective (but that's just MY perspective).

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

Originally posted by Twisted-Inside-Out
one day you just may KNOW the truth (of self) beyond all doubt. You seem to scoff at my simplistic answer. Well, that answer was an unsimplified version. The true simplicity of the truth is mind bogglingly ridiculous.

I am interested in your opinion of what the the truth of self is.

EDIT: Whoops - just noticed that you said it is something you cannot convey. I am really confused now.




[edit on 22/9/2009 by LightFantastic]

reply to post by LightFantastic


You can take no wrong turn in life. What you are doing you came here to do. The reason people ask about life's meaning is that they feel they are disconnected from it, that maybe they are doing the wrong thing with life and if one knew the meaning they could correct it.

Do what you want to do, do not do what you don't want to do. YOU are the reason. YOU are the meaning.

EDIT: BTW if one is truly on a path to truth and meaning DO NOT NEGLECT YOUR DREAMS. One could be called lost without them.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

[edit on 22/9/09 by Twisted-Inside-Out]

[edit on 22/9/09 by Twisted-Inside-Out]

reply to post by Twisted-Inside-Out


No probs... but if you know the answer is a simplistic one, I'd like you to lay it all out on the table for the OP. That should prove an easy task for you! Connect these apparent irrefutable dots!

IRM

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
reply to post by Twisted-Inside-Out

 

No probs... but if you know the answer is a simplistic one, I'd like you to lay it all out on the table for the OP. That should prove an easy task for you! Connect these apparent irrefutable dots!

IRM

Are you kidding? EASY? There's no way I could even begin! Infinite simplicity is as difficult as something infinitely difficult, it is still infinite. The only difference is as something infinitely difficult can never be understood no matter how much energy goes into trying, that which is infinitely simple can never NOT be understood, by anyone or anything. It's just a matter of realizing that you already know/are the truth. The answer is simplistic, but an explanation of such simplicity would be massively complex. Much too hard for me twist into words of english (which the truth is not).

However, it was due to lengthy meditations and communions with my higher self and a massive kundalini awakening (which hugely expanded my consciousness) that I realised all I did and was able to comprehend infinity (infinite simplicity).

Now I must apologise again for what I am about to say is probably going to sound condescending again, that's not my intention, but it is the only way I can say it. The fact that you say "if it's so simple lay it all out on the table" just goes to show how far from understanding you are, that is ridiculous and can never be done.

I understand that I may have sound too condescending in that last part to be easily forgiven for it. Therefore I will graciously accept WHATEVER words you deem me to deserve for it.

Over and out
Twisted-Inside-Out

reply to post by LightFantastic


Thank you for the opportunity to speculate a little about why we might be here.

We might be here as a result of punishment and for rehabilitation.
What if the earth is the only planet that can support physical life and the rest of the Universe is completely dead?
What if the earth was not originally created as a physical planet but was created as a paradise in the spiritual realm?
What if mankind was also originally created as a spirit being to occupy the spiritual paradise?
What if mankind really did rebel against God and this entire physical realm is but a weak out birth of the original spiritual paradise?
So what if, at the appointed time, those who have repented and have accepted rehabilitation are raptured, given new spiritual bodies, and reinstated to our first created state?
What if God is so kind and gracious that he offers those left behind another chance at accepting the rehabilitation(repentance and forgiveness of sins).
And, what if we are then given the wondrous task of restoring the earth to it's first created state(a spiritual paradise).

Just wondering.

I love these kinds of questions.

reply to post by LightFantastic


And to what end does the universe require to be a thin, cold homogenous soup?

I understand that rest is fun, but only for so long. Eventually, you get fat and smelly. And you know too many TV land lines. Though, this is a side effect of life, so maybe this too is a reason for life! But it's not the only reason. I love to play music. If you play a guitar, the energy from the sun and the nutrients and the water on the earth flow and grow into micro-organisms and plant-life which are consumed by animal-life and us creators eat plant-life and animal-life and those nutrients that we take in energize our bodies and our metabolism requires that we burn this energy to be a perfect conduit and the way in which we allow this energy to flow through us is by using our motor skills and in turn while I use my body and more specifically my arm and hand to strum the strings of the guitar, I am sending energy through the strings which causes them to vibrate and the vibrations break the air and cause sounds and those sounds bounce around in the chamber of the guitar and cause the wood to vibrate (some of those vibrations come directly from the strings) and this alters the sound by absorbing some energy which goes back into the body and the rest is translated back into the air by causing all the air particles to vibrate in sync with these energy waves and these energy waves fly away from the guitar and bounce off of everything, while everything absorbs this energy (which causes microscopic fractures and/or fixes other microscopic fractures in matter) ---- and I could keep on going, but this wave energy that travels through the air particles that formerly came from the sun and the nutrients and the water end up in my ear and vibrate my ear drum which sends these signals to the brain which translates the vibration language (which I'd like to establish and decode someday) and then processes it and then sends it back to the ear drum and they form a link and voila! Miraculously I hear the sweet sound of, "Mary had a little lamb". All because the sun and the nutrients and the water of the earth.

And you're telling me that this GENIUS INCEPTION IS ENTROPY?!

I'd explain the lengthy process of the energy of a "slap", but I think you get the point.