Your NUMBER ONE Enemy, you'll never guess who.

reply to post by king9072


Dude that was an awsome post. I have been telling people , even family and they are not listing. I don't know what to do ,maybe get angry when I talk about SHTF.Its so sad, don't some of you feel like Noah? I don't know what else to do, they are so brainwashed.

reply to post by dooper

Only problem with that dooper, is people will be looking to kill YOU for your goods, and I know you are prepared to kill, but your neighbours who you know will be tougher...
I do hope you have some other place you are planning to go but knowing your personality I bet you have two different places to go

reply to post by Ridhya

No, actually, I plan on staying put for a while until the dust settles. While no one can defend 360 degrees, I'll have a clan on site, and we'll use a few tricks I learned over the years.

It will be a constant state of show and cover. Hiding in plain sight. Nothing like a surprise attack in your flank just when you think you've taken someone by surprise, and are accustomed to things going your way.

No one, and that includes highly trained, highly experienced and skilled soldiers likes violent surprises. Just takes the starch out of your shorts.

If someone wishes to come, they will be "directed" by obstacles, some natural, others not so natural. It won't be all that apparent, but they will be channeled. Right to their carefully prepared destruction.

I just as soon everyone leave me and mine alone. Don't want any trouble, don't want any shooting as that attracts more attention, and sometimes a sense of revenge.

On the other hand, a few carcasses start piling up where I drag them, it should be sufficient warning to others. That too, is by design to inflict maximum fear in others. Not just dragged up - but "modified."

Just a bit of psychological warfare where you use looters and predators to scare off other looters and predators, encouraging them to head for easier pickings.

And just about anywhere else will be easier pickings.

My main worry is children/newly made orphans. Hell, you can't just turn them away, and I feel there will be an assload when it's all said and done.






[edit on 20-9-2009 by dooper]

I wonder how many people reading this thread are the looters, thieves, and lawless maniac neighbours we should fear when this happens?

I'm prepared for it, but I hold out hope that the biblical promise of the rapture will take place for believers, before the S.H.T.F.

The seven years tribulation must be close, otherwise 2012 will be a non event, just like 2000.

Originally posted by John Matrix
I wonder how many people reading this thread are the looters, thieves, and lawless maniac neighbours we should fear when this happens?

I'm prepared for it, but I hold out hope that the biblical promise of the rapture will take place for believers, before the S.H.T.F.

The seven years tribulation must be close, otherwise 2012 will be a non event, just like 2000.

That's what you need to understand, the only people in this thread who will become the looters, thieves and lawless maniac neighbors, are the ones who do not prepare.

The fact of the matter is that anyone can be pushed to do terrible things, it all depends on how desperate they are. So many people around us including perhaps ourselves, have ever had to truly survive. Some have never had to worry about their next meal.

It's a beautiful illusion so many live. Investing every ounce of their energy into something that could crumble at literally any moment. When the time comes that it does crumble, many people will be shocked to discover the reality of life. I pity these people terribly. The greatest tragedy of all is that some actually do know, yet deny the inevitability of the crash all so they can appease their fears.


reply to post by Grayelf2009


I understand your frustration. I too have issues with some people in my life who refuse to see the light. Some I have had much better luck with, but its almost never easy.

People have a very short attention span for anything that isn't mainstream. It's just too much of a step out of what they have been brainwashed to believe their entire life.

You must never get angry, and when speaking you should know not only what you are saying - but more importantly, why you are saying it. If you don't have your facts straight, the inability to debate with someone will make them discredit you then and in the future.

It's also not wise to begin with "911 was an inside job".. keep in mind, thinking that the government was behind something, when they believe that the government HAS NEVER, and WOULD NEVER do something like that. Is too far from their reality to get any understanding.

Instead you should begin with things like monetary policies, it's especially wise since this is the absolute core of all of our problems. But people routinely forget that, so they can bicker about the trivial, frivolous issues which are a product of the original fraudulent monetary system.

Not only is it the cause of the problems, but once one understands it, they can easily recognize that the same people in charge of that are behind the rest of the crimes against humanity. 911 just scratches the surface, especially since millions lose their life each year directly due to the same people responsible for our fraudulent monetary system.

Most people also do not realize that 100% of every single tax dollar, as well as everyone else in the entire country does not fund any infrastructure and services. It is entirely absorbed by interest.

On the news they talk about fools squandering millions, yet billions are wasted each day to pay interest on the interest created by the interest on the interest.


They're all laughing at us.



[edit on 20-9-2009 by king9072]

I cannot disagree with anyone here at all.
I feel most on here are aware and well prepared.
One can never be 100% prepared for anything unfortunately.
Your neighbors can save your butt as well as take you out.
Many cannot even imagine a shtf scenario, let alone prepare for it.
Too many live in the cities now, relying on someone else to go to work
to make society run for them.
At first I thought the thread was going to be about personal responsibility!
Guess it kinda is!
Oh well, maybe next time!

MikeRusselus, living in this state, I know what you mean, after
all we ARE neighbors! We got some kooky ones livin' here too!

S/F

After reading the whole thing through it had only reinforced what i was feeling and thinking more. Good thread very informative and puts the big picture together. Spot on viral info.. Bravo.

Originally posted by dodadoom
I cannot disagree with anyone here at all.
I feel most on here are aware and well prepared.
One can never be 100% prepared for anything unfortunately.
Your neighbors can save your butt as well as take you out.
Many cannot even imagine a shtf scenario, let alone prepare for it.
Too many live in the cities now, relying on someone else to go to work
to make society run for them.
At first I thought the thread was going to be about personal responsibility!
Guess it kinda is!
Oh well, maybe next time!

MikeRusselus, living in this state, I know what you mean, after
all we ARE neighbors! We got some kooky ones livin' here too!

You bring up the exact problem;

"Many cannot even imagine a shtf scenario, let alone prepare for it. Too many live in the cities now, relying on someone else to go to work to make society run for them."

That's why people should be prepared, so that they are self sufficient. The more self sufficient you are the better off you will be, and vice versa.

People in large cities, caught unprepared are in for a shock of their lifetime.

reply to post by king9072

Thank you for clarifying that and for your posts and threads!
S & F!
Very well put together OP! Kudos 2 U!

All I can say to those who haven't prepared is,
sell the mcmansion, buy some land somewhere private
and learn to be self sufficient.
Time is growing short my friends!
Welcome to the great contraction.
Good luck and peace to you all!



[edit on 20-9-2009 by dodadoom]

I would love to get prepared; stock up on weapons, food and supplies; but there are no jobs over here, so i have no money at all for supplies and weapons;

I think when people start rioting I will have to make a run for it, straight to the essential supplies that i need

or i could start going to every single food bank in my area and getting food there to stock up

[edit on 20-9-2009 by DjSharperimage]

[edit on 21-9-2009 by DjSharperimage]

reply to post by king9072


S&F, Absolutely correct. These days hardly anyone knows their neighbors, but at almost any given time you can see a neighbor watching to see what is happening around them. When things get bad and there is an incentive to give up your neighbors, well there goes half the neighborhood.

What I most fear is that the one's who are the most likly to be involved in maliscious or illegal activities will be the first to rat out the remainder of the nieghbors for their own gain or agendas.

Sad part is right now when you need your neighbrs to help, they want no part, nor do they wish to be involved; unless of course it is somethng innocent and truly none of their business to begin with.

Great thread, OP

Star and flag of course.

I am very unprepared and probably boned when this all goes down.

I wish I could do things like hoard items and such, but I have no weapons and no money, no supplies, I mean in any situation that should occur, I'm ruined.

This reads like the same paranoid stuff that fueled the sales of bomb shelters in the 50's.

some of you have very dark views of the world.

You do realize that you create this in your own mind from the modeling clay that is your own fear.

Originally posted by djusdjus
some of you have very dark views of the world.

You do realize that you create this in your own mind from the modeling clay that is your own fear.

It's the world thats dark, not my vision, you can shine all the flashlights on you want but it wont make it daylight.
I did not believe in the NWO years ago and even at the beginning of this year it took hard research and disbelieving all the crazy people to filter into the truth which may be scary.

But I am not scared, like I always say, everything happens for a reason, hell I hate war but love combat. I would love an enemy who is inhuman. And not by dehumanising. By their own demonic actions.

I agree whit what is being said about being prepared. Better prepared then sorry right?.

I understand exactly what the thread starter meant about preparing stocking up supplies. Have a plan for yourself and your familly have a rally point etc ... And god I just hope we never get there but I'm not sure the neighbour his the enemy.

Im not sure the unprepared are enemies. They are people like you and me that will have needs just like you and me. it will probably result to primal instinct when it will come down to feeding and protecting yours.

I think if anything ever happens like that we should help each other for survival. Help your neighbour he'll help you back.

Alone prepared or not you are more prone to being overrun. In the other hand if you got some friends, familly and neighbour all watching for each other the outcome is different. I know how many can you take if you got so much for you and yours. Much dilemma but the right thing to do is to help each other.

What they want is us to go nuts and kill each other for them to save the situation once again by imposing marshall law perhaps or a controlled state type of gov. But bottom line is if we all stand up togheter at the same time they cant get us all to sit back down we are just to many.
The world would be so much different if men could all stand up togheter. Like Ronald Reagan said if only we all humanity had a comon cause to fight for there would be no war between us. In our case we should all fight for the truth and for immidiate solutions to save millions of lives. Not let choas overwhelm us.

Just my thought either way I agree with almost everything being said so be prepared

reply to post by king9072


My vision:

If SHTF, neigbor-initiatives are going to help the ones in need or those who are unprepared.
Nobody will rip each others heart out in order to be the first one who loots the supermarket.

Farmers will supply those in need, without charging them all they have.

Nobody will listen to the officials

Pay a little more credit to your fellow man and believe in him/her.

We are no savages, stop buying into that lie that has been indoctrinated into us.
I myself will help whoever needs it, so will do the people i know. None of them would go on aa looting and killing frenzy.

Can it be that YOU cant think of an alternative when SHTF?

Don't forget the "Olduvai Theory" as a possible cause for social collapse, maybe tptb, have considered the effects of this theory aswell.

Olduvai Theory

Google Olduvai Theory for other sources.

The Olduvai theory states that industrial civilization (as defined by per capita energy consumption) will have a lifetime of less than or equal to 100 years (1930-2030). The theory provides a quantitative basis of the transient-pulse theory of modern civilization.

Just a thought,

good post.

PS For the elite to retain the control they want, would need to bring down society before this eventuates, with enough population reduction they could head off this effect. Maybe thats what they are doing.

Edited for Post Script.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by Toecutter.]

Americans pull together, not pull apart. In the great San Francisco Earthquake, citizens pulled together to rebuild the city.

In the Revolutionary War, and all subsequent wars, Americans pulled together.

In the Great Depression, Americans pulled together.

I question your source of information that suggests that neighbor will fight with neighbor. I believe that you will find that neighbor will help neighbor. That is the foundation of our faiths, be they Muslim or Christian or Jew, and that foundation is the basis of our caring for one another through good times or bad. If you do otherwise, you will offend your neighbors, and be excluded from their assistance.

As mentioned above, farmers will continue to farm, food will be available, and nobody will let the population starve. Relax. Even in the worst times, there are the best of times.

I suggest you develop manners, social graces, and assist others in times of need. Fear-mongering will work for a day or so, but after the smoke clears, you will see that it is better to help others and be helped, than to kill others and be killed.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

Love conquers all.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by Jim Scott]

Originally posted by Jim Scott
Americans pull together, not pull apart. In the great San Francisco Earthquake, citizens pulled together to rebuild the city.

In the Revolutionary War, and all subsequent wars, Americans pulled together.

In the Great Depression, Americans pulled together.

I question your source of information that suggests that neighbor will fight with neighbor. I believe that you will find that neighbor will help neighbor. That is the foundation of our faiths, be they Muslim or Christian or Jew, and that foundation is the basis of our caring for one another through good times or bad. If you do otherwise, you will offend your neighbors, and be excluded from their assistance.

As mentioned above, farmers will continue to farm, food will be available, and nobody will let the population starve. Relax. Even in the worst times, there are the best of times.

I suggest you develop manners, social graces, and assist others in times of need. Fear-mongering will work for a day or so, but after the smoke clears, you will see that it is better to help others and be helped, than to kill others and be killed.

If you live by the sword, you will die by the sword.

Love conquers all.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by Jim Scott]

I love how the last few people have made of point of calling me names. Then go on to say things like, fear mongering, unrealistic, people would band together, unite etc etc.

This people (once again, not making any friends) is blissful ignorance.

If a large disaster were to hit a city like new york tomorrow, where fuel and food were unable to reach them. You honestly believe, there would be no looting? There would be no chaos? There would be no breakdown?

How bout a week later as food runs, and things still aren't being supplied? How will society act? If history is any indicator, it will not go well.


The reason I wrote this thread, was so that more people would be prepared. If everyone were aware of the inevitability, and were prepared, then they wouldn't have social breakdown as TOOL to use against us. That's all it is, life as we know it could ground to a halt tomorrow at the drop of many hats.

Long gone are the days where communities were self sufficient. With the mass importation of everything, we no longer have the means to care for ourselves locally. This is why they have this tool in the first place, this is not by coincidence but design.

To fail to recognize that fact can only be viewed as ignorance.


When one is forced to survive, without being handed things. Then, you will discover the true nature of humanity. The good deeds of few, will soon be overrun by the many needs of the masses. Katrina was a great example, and that was one place, and supplies did eventually come.

Remove food from the shelves for 2 weeks, in every major city.... then you will realize.

[edit on 21-9-2009 by king9072]

[edit on 21-9-2009 by king9072]

Countless people have lived peacefull and helpfull live's, then died by the sword, all historical breakdowns before now have never had the population load to deal with we do now.

I have found that when trying to make people see the need to be prepared, the Olduvai Theory works best on the one's that won't buy into conspiricy theory's, It is a mathimatical theory, which makes sense to me, and is easy to understand, no dark forces involved, just inevitable without population control. Still need to make the same preperations though.

Cheers Big Ears
Toecutter.