Man's fingers lost after violent alien attack in underground base

reply to post by RiotComing


You should be glad you're not a lawyer 'cause you'd be constantly thrown out of every courtroom you entered with the judge admonishing you for ignoring WHO is supposed to present evidence. You want to prove a case? Provide evidence, or else...

You said: "My reason for posting here on this thread, is to object to the nature of skepticism without solid evidence to back it up." Senseless!

Originally posted by Skeptical EdPeople such as zorgon, nightmare_david, etc. You can see that these people have a controlling ego and they feel everyone else should conform to their dictates.

You bet! Why do you think I wear a crown?

It's GOOD to be King as they say... Frankly though I don't care what you post, so long as it's within the T&C

bu bye now... it's been errrr fun but 'troll feeding' is also not allowed here

reply to post by Skeptical Ed


Hang on, Schneider presented his evidence. As far as a courtroom scenario goes, Schneider would present a very credible case.

On the other hand, if someone goes up on the stand and says "oh this guy is clearly mentally unstable, he is telling stories" - with nothing more than his gut to go on, then WHO is going to get eaten up? It sure wouldn't be Schneider.

So don't go pinning all this burden of proof stuff on me, Sonny Jim! You can check out previous threads in which I have had input, I'm just simply reiterating what has been previously presented before Schneider's untimely demise.

Reminds me a bit of the current 9/11 thread on WTC 7. So much clear evidence of a controlled demolition, yet there are one or two people who still fail to see what is going on and are more intent on clinging to their worldview. And these people have NOTHING to bring to the table!

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Skeptical EdPeople such as zorgon, nightmare_david, etc. You can see that these people have a controlling ego and they feel everyone else should conform to their dictates.

You bet! Why do you think I wear a crown?

It's GOOD to be King as they say...

Frankly though I don't care what you post, so long as it's within the T&C

bu bye now... it's been errrr fun

but 'troll feeding' is also not allowed here

Yeah, you don't mind being fed but when the supply runs low, you claim it was not allowed! Well, you've been satisfactorily fed!

Originally posted by RiotComing
reply to post by Skeptical Ed

 

Hang on, Schneider presented his evidence. As far as a courtroom scenario goes, Schneider would present a very credible case.

On the other hand, if someone goes up on the stand and says "oh this guy is clearly mentally unstable, he is telling stories" - with nothing more than his gut to go on, then WHO is going to get eaten up? It sure wouldn't be Schneider.

So don't go pinning all this burden of proof stuff on me, Sonny Jim! You can check out previous threads in which I have had input, I'm just simply reiterating what has been previously presented before Schneider's untimely demise.

Reminds me a bit of the current 9/11 thread on WTC 7. So much clear evidence of a controlled demolition, yet there are one or two people who still fail to see what is going on and are more intent on clinging to their worldview. And these people have NOTHING to bring to the table!

He has not presented "evidence" as evidence is known. He presented his case and all he has is his words to convince sympathetic listeners. You cannot provide only words in a court of law because one side or the other will eat you up. You got to have something solid, something that will stand scrutiny. You know this, it's basic.

Keep in mind that I've never uttered a comment about his mental state, others have done that. All I did was criticize the lack of evidence (and so have others). The only criticism aimed at you is your seemingly total acceptance of his tale. You don't seem to want or need evidence. He says it, you accept it.

Don't you find ALL tales of similar activity to be just pure bunk? Don't you consider the impossibility of such events?

And, please, don't tie in real events such as 9/11, I'm also up to date on all possible conspiracies. And, yes, there is high strangeness about the events of that day and I live in New York City and what happened downtown affected me personally from the smell reaching all of the way uptown to missing neighbors who worked at WTC. I don't accept that the planes caused the buildings to fall, I don't accept anything but controlled demolition for building 7, I don't accept that a passenger plane hit the Pentagon, and there is something strange about the debris field in Pennsylvania. I could be wrong in all of what I just said and when and if and when irrefutable evidence is presented it might cause me to change my mind. But that is for another forum.

Originally posted by zorgon
Yes but somehow an Evangelist screaming..." Canine Fornication" just seems so much nastier though

Once again, one of the wonderful things about our great language.

Originally posted by zorgon
Well that doesn't leave much room for discussion now does it? But how many times have you said "It's only rocks"

I really do not know why anyone would want to discussion my belief. There are far more interesting topics to discuss here on ATS.

As far as the rocks comment, I am unsure of what you are talking about. After 400+ hits (as Riot brought up) it's hard to keep track of specific things I may have said.

I have a controlling ego?



You have no idea how wrong you are

I have looked through these videos,
and it seems Phil is telling the truth.
he appears brave,defiant,calm.
he has also attracted a legion of
debunkers, and that is in his favour.
We haven't heard the last of this I'm sure.

[edit on 20-9-2009 by radarloveguy]

Originally posted by RiotComing
Try reading my post next time. I gave you my angle on Schneider.

When was this?

Funny how you attack me for stating my opinion when you present only your opinion. This shows it was never about evidence but about the fact you cannot tolerate a contrary opinion.

Originally posted by RiotComing
Based on the evidence he presented

What evidence?

Originally posted by RiotComing
plus his physical scars

Once again, amazing the amount of things that could produce scars like that.

Originally posted by RiotComing
and the nature of his 'suicide'

No evidence he was murdered, outside of a second-hand anecdote.

Originally posted by RiotComing
He can't be delusional and mentally ill if he actually physically carries the scars of the event with him and is quite happy to show them to an audience and have them filmed on video.

Why not?

Originally posted by RiotComing
So you do believe in aliens after all huh? Could've fooled me. You've never supported any evidence given on this forum. Quite the opposite. You've also just said you veer towards 'no' for them visiting Earth.

You need to learn the difference between "believing in aliens" and "believing they are visiting the Earth".

But so what if I have not seen evidence in these forums that I think supports alien life? It is my right as a member of ATS to state my opinions on any subject. There is no minimum of support one can to give to evidence before one can speak on ATS.

Why are you so interested in discussing me as a person instead of the topic?

Originally posted by RiotComing
Well, there you have it. You have a convenient 'out' clause that still gives you a free licence to poo-poo every subject on this forum, including Phil.

What gives me free license is the fact anyone on ATS can give their opinion on any topic regardless of what that opinion may be.

Originally posted by RiotComing
I've given my thoughts on Phil in other threads on Phil Schneider, and not going to repeat myself again.

But we aren't in other threads, are we?

You're a hypocrite. You attack people for stating their opinion, the person not the opinion, for not back up their opinion when you yourself present no evidence for your own. Instead of presenting evidence, you attack people personally then cop-out saying that you've presented evidence in the past so you don't have to now.

Originally posted by RiotComing
My reason for posting here on this thread, is to object to the nature of skepticism without solid evidence to back it up.

You weren't even objecting to skepticism. You were objecting to my mere presence in the forums for not having some arbitrary minimum of support for your beliefs.

Why don't you try discussing the topic instead of the people discussing the topic?

I'm not going to play argumentative ping-pong with you. I know your game.

I can't be bothered presenting any evidence to you since it's obvious you're just going to poo-poo it, because that's what you do in every thread on ATS.

And for the record, I don't have a belief system in anything. I'm happy to look at all angles - including the possibility the Dulce Wars were very real. I wasn't there, but Phil was. I'm not going to speak for him, for you can look at his material yourself.

So instead of calling me out for calling you out, how about you practice what you preach, and try discussing the subject.. instead of discussing me.. especially considering your opinions were totally unfounded to begin with - you couldn't back them up and you still haven't done so - only attack me for pointing out this painfully obvious fact.

I only posted in the first place because you had no way to back up your opinion of Schneider - and you do this with every post you make on ATS. Just whose 'belief system' is at fault here? Schneider at least had scars, exotic metals, photographs. You have nothing.


[edit on 22-9-2009 by RiotComing]

Originally posted by RiotComing
I'm not going to play argumentative ping-pong with you...

You have a rather long-winded way of not doing it...

Originally posted by RiotComing
I can't be bothered presenting any evidence to you since it's obvious you're just going to poo-poo it, because that's what you do in every thread on ATS.

Every post? More lies from RiotComing...

Anyhow, let's get this straight. RiotComing attacks me for not backing up an opinion yet he refuses to do the same because there might be a disagreement or counter-argument. Interesting.

Originally posted by RiotComing
I wasn't there, but Phil was.

He claims he was.

Originally posted by RiotComing
So instead of calling me out for calling you out, how about you practice what you preach, and try discussing the subject...

I have every right to defend myself from personal attacks and lies.

Originally posted by RiotComing
considering your opinions were totally unfounded to begin with - you couldn't back them up and you still haven't done so

Re-read my posts.

Originally posted by RiotComing
I only posted in the first place because you had no way to back up your opinion of Schneider - and you do this with every post you make on ATS.

Every post?

Here are just a few examples of me doing exactly what RiotComing says I never do.

Once again, you are exposed as a liar, RiotComing.

Well to be on topic, i would have to say underground alien base is a great cover story. I mean what would you rather tell people, I lost my fingers to an alien in an underground base or I lost my fingers trying to unclog my wood chipper with my hand.

Originally posted by zaiger
Well to be on topic, i would have to say underground alien base is a great cover story. I mean what would you rather tell people, I lost my fingers to an alien in an underground base or I lost my fingers trying to unclog my wood chipper with my hand.

Speaking of his missing fingers, some parts of his ex-wifes narrative about his supposed suicide do not add. She says Schneider had limited mobility in his shoulders and was missing two fingers on his left hand, making it impossible for him to tie the cathater around his neck. Yet she also says he had borrowed a gun for self-defense; how could he have expected to use a gun with such impairments?

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
was missing two fingers on his left hand, making it impossible for him to tie the cathater around his neck. Yet she also says he had borrowed a gun for self-defense; how could he have expected to use a gun with such impairments?

Most people are right handed. You need both hands to tie things, but not to fire a gun.

Why would you tie a piss tube around your neck when you have a gun? Im going to say that if he believes his story that he had more than physical problems.

[edit on 22-9-2009 by zaiger]

Originally posted by Clickfoot
Most people are right handed. You need both hands to tie things, but not to fire a gun.

While it is true you need only one hand to fire a gun, would it not be better to use both hands? If he could not lift his arms well enough to work a tie or similar implement around his neck (certainly not impossible, even with limited mobility in the shoulders. Try it yourself) then he could not have expected to use a gun. If he did not have the dexterity to tie something around his neck or knot it, how did he manage to button the shirt in the video?

Besides, we know the the video that he had no trouble moving his shoulders.

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Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by zaiger
Well to be on topic, i would have to say underground alien base is a great cover story. I mean what would you rather tell people, I lost my fingers to an alien in an underground base or I lost my fingers trying to unclog my wood chipper with my hand.

Speaking of his missing fingers, some parts of his ex-wifes narrative about his supposed suicide do not add. She says Schneider had limited mobility in his shoulders and was missing two fingers on his left hand, making it impossible for him to tie the cathater around his neck. Yet she also says he had borrowed a gun for self-defense; how could he have expected to use a gun with such impairments?

It takes one hand and very little shoulder movement to fire a gun.

Try again.

Originally posted by zaiger
Why would you tie a piss tube around your neck when you have a gun? Im going to say that if he believes his story that he had more than physical problems.

A gun makes a lot less of a mess than a catheter. And a gun would leave a deformed corpse. Many suicides choose one option or another to avoid causing their families extra pain, because they worry it won't be successful and leave them in a worse state, or for vanity reasons. But ultimately, you are searching for rational thought during an irrational act.

On top of his first hand knowledge about underground
mountain bases and government black budgets, and the alien agend as (he
was one of the survivors of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New
Mexico) his father was also involved in government black projects.
When Philip's father, Captain Oscar Schneider, Medical Doctor, United

From his ex-wifes website. Survivor of the Dulce Fire Fight with aliens in New Mexico. I think that claim alone will set off anyone's BS meeter.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by Clickfoot
Most people are right handed. You need both hands to tie things, but not to fire a gun.

Besides, we know the the video that he had no trouble moving his shoulders.

He also was in a wheelchair later in life...should we assume that since he isnt one in the video that he was never in one?

The video you reference is years prior to his murder.