2009-Year Of The Slave

Cattle are branded though they soon forget their brand.
They don't forget their owner.

Humans are numbered (ie. social security #) with unknown obligations even unto themselves.
They never 'knew' their owner.

Which is worse, determined bliss or passive ignorance?

Good thread, kinda smoothe, as the Truth always is.

A Jurisprudent system of human natural law applies 'naturally' though is made to appear the opposite.

Only the weak, whether physically, mentally, spiritually or all of the above find the desire to 'take' from another.

Freedom is from the inside as freedom is on the outside.

It is neither concave nor convex, it just Is, unless one sais otherwise.

Similar to the 'other' laws of the Uni-Cosmos, if there is such a word.

Freedom is earned and learned.
Not the 'other way around' unless, of course, they learned what it truely meant to begin with.

Few have.



[edit on 18-9-2009 by Perseus Apex]

Best thread ever! Not just your best thread but the best one I have ever read!!!!

Thank you for opening my eyes further than they already were. I didn't think it was possible.

I am going to have to re-read it several times for it to sink in but, the damage is already done, I just realized WHY I"m a slave. I already knew that we all were but never really understood exactly why.

S&F!!!

I love this thread. Agree completely. I would only add that in a slave state the only freemen are outlaws. Not criminals, mind you, but outlaws. If the laws are unconstitutional, if they oppress and enslave, (indeed if the entire system oppresses and enslaves) the only free act, besides overt rebellion, is to hide, live on the fringes, ignore the system to the best of your ability. It does mean giving up many priviledges and many of the niceties of modern life. It does require living by one's wits, and often accepting the help of friends (many of whom are themselves slaves) but it IS an option if you refuse to be a slave. Its not a glorious lifestyle. Often its a simple matter of not being very good at being a slave that forces the slave to go "rogue." So, its not with any particular pride that I state: I am not a slave.
I am an outlaw.

Good post.

My only gripe with it is that it goes on and on about the USA being the boogey-man here, when i'd say this this a team effort between the US, Europe, Japan and possibly China, Russia and parts of Australasia; but mainly the Bilderberg gang.

I'd also say the plots spread to the leaders those South American countries that the IMF & CIA have indoctrinated.

But the bottom line is that it's a global corporate conceit, rather than by any one country. So don't be so hard on yourself Americans - we're all being suckered!

reply to post by Perseus Apex

Similar to the 'other' laws of the Uni-Cosmos, if there is such a word. Freedom is earned and learned. Not the 'other way around' unless, of course, they learned what it truely meant to begin with. Few have.

Agreed completely. I always refer to Our Rights as they are; Natural Rights. They are outlined everyday all around us, by the Cosmos as You pointed out

reply to post by Jesus H Christ


Darn, I wish I could take total credit for making Your day, but darnit; I gotta give credit where it's due, and that is to Mike Rivero.

He is a real patriot who has worked many hard years in the struggle to wake People up. I do appreciate Your compliment.

reply to post by joechip


I agree with what You wrote 1000%. I will proudly wear the outlaw brand with all the implications, and effects which spawn from such a statement. There is no other proper label that suits what a freeman truly is in today's World............. How dinked out is that????¿¿¿ Wow, what an upside down planet We live on

reply to post by lifecitizen


Well the truth for me is that I have been aware of this for a long long time. Kudos for your awakening never the less...

I am already on the next phase, am busy reading "The Criminal Code", to free myself from statutes and codes of our de facto corporate governments. I am not a corporation but rather a Natural Person Of The Land with moral integrity and responsible and accountable initiative, no one has claim over my body, my production, my wealth, my mind.



[edit on 18-9-2009 by HulaAnglers]

I too think that this has been the best thread around for years, o.k. as you say, you did`nt write it, but YOU brought it to our attention, so, much respect for that! I have been under the same impression for a long time now, but as everyone else, we get through today, hoping for a better tommorow. But this illustrates why even the people who say that they will be chipped and vacinated over their dead bodies, will still stand in line waiting for the same pretty bracelet that their favourite Film Star or Pop Star is wearing. People want to fit in and be part of the gang, treat them as outsiders and they panic. Also if access to bank accounts is limited to chip implants, everyone will want one, they have our money as hostage, so we do as all good slaves do, obey!

reply to post by grahag


Why do people always use comparative analysis to determine if they're in a bad spot or not? Why do they use 'the Great Depression', or other miserable life stories as a benchmark to their condition?

It's this type of passive attitude that turns Americans into sleepwalking zombies. The logic is always the same.
"It's not as bad as it was then, therefore we're not heading toward it"

It's the passive attitude about your deteriorating conditions that has created this problem to begin with. Something our children will thank us for as they work in labor camps for little pay and no freedom at all.

aahh..what's the point. Go back to watching your CNN.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by juzchilln]

this would be a really good moment to point out that the DPRK , or north korea is a socialist state and no one pays taxes as they were abolished in 1958, housing is free and their health care and education from primary to university level is also free.

17% of the GNP of north korea goes to defence /military , and the rest goes to welfare and investment.

how odd that the supposed civilians living under a dictator are more free than the democratic western powers.

according to the OP the north koreans appear to be more free than any other person on the planet!

and they socialism is a bad thing !

anyone fancy a trip to the DPRK to live in freedom ?

It just goes to show the lengths to which western governments will go to stop the rest of the world realising we can all live in freedom as the people of the DPRK , Heavy western propaganda showing the people are starving and in famine, when there is no famine in the DPRK.

its the sanctions on the DPRK which hinder its development, sanctions for nuclear tests by the biggest nuclear armed nation in the world!

yes thats right the power crazy , multi national conglomerates and energy industry giants who back the western governments , dont want you to know that we can live free in a socialist state .



[edit on 18-9-2009 by sapien82]

Again though, as with most opinions like this about "being slaves" people constantly provide what we already know and fail to provide a solution.

"You can continue to be slaves, or you can be free."

Where is the solution in that? We cannot be free because we have to pay tax, which is one of the things he brought up.

It's ridiculous, I wish people would stop spoon feeding us crap that we already know and start working on a proper solution to tyranny.

Originally posted by sanchoearlyjones


They are gambling that they will win before enough are awake to stand up, and against; I am going with the for sure bet We will win

Sancho, I too am betting We will win. But how many will die to get there and not even know there is a battle. I have just recently started putting the pieces together. I am a wife and mother whose husband thinks this is all B*S*. My only allies in this are my seventy something parents. They, by the way, have been telling me for twenty years that this stuff was up, but until now I truly didn't see it.

Coming to ATS and listening to both sides (in some cases fifteen) of the story has helped me to see and understand. Thanks to you, Sancho, and others like you I am becoming better informed. But now what. I feel like I have awakened at 11:59pm and its on at midnight.

Originally posted by lifecitizen

Originally posted by Jomina
Wow 2 people so far that I saw saying that, even with so much truth being said here, there's too many words. That, in and of itself, goes to show how conditioned people really are.

Is that how bad it's got for some people?

They can't read one page of writing?

I know! What's going on with that? One page of writing and people just think "nope, won't read." That in itself is amazingly frightening

Anyhoos, thanks for posting that essay. I feel that I need something like that every now and then....you know, sometimes you feel like giving up and giving in.

Now that our condition has been established to a degree of certainty it is impossible to improve upon, What is the next step?

That really is the question.

The answer isn’t to stop paying taxes, or to storm Congress, etc.

The answer lies somewhere in channeling our energy into the communities that have formed in the U.S. (and elsewhere), for example, which have removed themselves (seceded?) from the “system” as it were.

These also include societies like www.lifebridge.org, www.damanhur.org, www.thevenusproject.com, www..eco-kovcheg.ru (in English - shrinkalink.com...), www.gaia.org and others.

The idea here is not to fight the system, or to fight for change within the system, because we’ve done this for eons to no avail.

We don’t want to try to alter what exists anyway – we want to create a completely different equitable and free system that would provide the same services, as well as ending many services that aren’t necessary; those which were only constructed to serve the system itself and not those within the system.

This appears to be the direction we should be heading. It is no longer necessary to have a debate as to whether or not our current systems are not only not sustainable; that they serve to centralize power and resources, and that they are restricting and harmful to its constituents. This has been established to the greatest degree possible.

The next step is a constructive response to this situation, actions that many have already begun to undertake.

The greatest and wisest are out here in the field, and we have the ability, wherewithal and need to address what our governments cannot; namely, the need to extricate ourselves from their sinister clutches.

This shift has already begun. And it is following a quite natural course initiated and guided by the universe itself. It’s no coincidence that this awareness and these trends are just arising to this degree now.

My personal belief, however, is that as we continue on this path of awareness and integrity that solutions will more and more present themselves to us as this movement grows.

We are meant to create systems based on universal laws, and what we have now is anything but. When you start on the path of creating harmonious systems, based on honor, integrity, equality and freedom, then the universe conspires with you.

We haven’t taken this tack prior to this point, and as these societies are formed fairly quickly, we can see that it may prove our way out.

Ultimately, the fact we’re all discussing and undertaking these things is because they are a byproduct of a leap in consciousness that is occurring right now, and which will really facilitate this move to a more harmonious planet.

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Another great thread my friend, S + F.

I wonder what it would take to cause a mass awakening among the people, my guess is if something like this post got in the MSM it could make a difference but I think the problem is that people are scared to stand up on their own because the system comes down so hard on lone dissenters.

There is strength in numbers, lets hope the people of the world stand together when it's needed.

yea i just wanted to say thanks as well, and i'm going to forward this article to as many as i can!

thanks again for posting this wonderful work!

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


Homeschooled children are more versed in our Constitution then public school children. And are far more educated. If the Federal Government ratifies the UN Rights of the Child treaty we will lose that as well as our guns and our soverienity.

I found the paer amazingly well written and so greatly needed. I suggest we all copy and paste and email it around the globe and then let the games begin.

reply to post by atswheat


You are so absolutely right. Don't fight the dying empire, build a better one on a firm foundation, so when the other dies, we will not even notice its departure.

Originally posted by j_kalin
Are we slaves if we choose to live as we do? I think not.
You can quit your job, if you accept the consequences.
You can refuse to pay your taxes, and face the consequences.
You can give up your posessions,
You can give up all the little luxuries that you get by following the rules,
BUT you still have the right to say no...It won't be comfortable, however.

I prefer having the knowledge of knowing I can refuse, but choose not to.

If you really want to take the hard road, refuse everything, go settle in the thirld world somewhere where they don't take a census or collect taxes, grow your own damn food, and try and figure out how to care for yourself when you get ill. But you do have the right to refuse to partake in modern life. You, my friend want it both ways--like those "tea baggers"--you want to protest the current society while remaining comfortably part of it with your computer, your internet, your flat screen TV, your junk food, your laziness, your total lack of self-sufficiency, and call everyone else apathetic.
I don't think people are apathetic or slaves; they looked at the althernative to living as a "free" person, and decided they like it better the way it is. You can always say no, most people don't want to.

You don't see it? All the examples you listed are what they have been conditioning for years. You can say no, but you face life damaging consequences. At what point do they have to push you until you can say no and rather bear the consequences of doing so? Pay this tax or we take your family to a camp, will you be able to even have an option to say no to them then?

Good post OP

Originally posted by xizd1
This is a great thread with some powerful information in it. However it only scratches the surface. I've been assimilating an abundance of information for a long while and have finally found the spark in this thread to reach some conclusions.
Hundreds of years ago a group came across ancient documents that proved that Revelations was not just a story but a provable predictable occurrence. This group decided to act upon this info and they formed the Illuminati. Thirteen families were bound together with one goal, world domination. So they started using their wealth and influence to gather together all the worlds resources. They started wars took over countries and whatever else was necessary to attain world domination. They needed laborers (slaves) to achieve their goal so they arranged for men to think they were free when all along they were manipulating their minions into doing the dirty work.
Do you see where this is going? The time is near so their efforts are no longer very well concealed. They have their vast underground facilities built and stocked, probably thirteen of them. They have a seed bank in place in the arctic (which will be tropical once the dust has settled). They are ready to survive the brown dwarf, pole reversal and chaos that will ensue. It a grand and nefarious plan about to come to fruition. They will now start raping the planet and everyone that is not included in their plot, to insure their survival.
Not all will facilities survive, that's why there are numerous bunkers spread all over the world. They will stay under ground safe and secure while the rest of us(the ones that manage to survive) will be left to fend for ourselves. When it's deemed safe the will come crawling out of their haven and will truly rule the world. They will have technology and knowledge as their rebuilding tools and any small pockets of resistence will be absorbed (if useful for slaves again) or eliminated.There will be no Adam and Eve this time around.
There is a lot more to tie into this, but I want to get this posted before I might fall asleep again. I know this sounds far fetched so please add your thoughts positive or negative.

PS- I apologize for hijacking this most important thread,but it sparked this insight or insanity so please forgive me.

Not as far fetched as me thinking that the elite are not merely sitting on the news of a world wide disaster and choosing not to warn us, they are the ones who will be creating it.

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones

I remember for years my brother chose not to see the light of day, and it was his very employer who should him. He worked for the EPA in oil field site inspections. Consistently he was tasked with fining, and shutting down mom, and pop outfits, but consistently was ordered to leave the big boys like Exxon Mobil alone.

This made a profound impact on the way he looked at the World....

That statement scares the beJeesus out of me. The Ag Cartel has plans for taking over US farms creating a food supply monopoly. I just ran across this article that explains some of the history behind the current attack on our food sovereignty. Some of the bills even regulate home gardens! When a group that includes the FED makes decisions like " millions of farmers would just have to be eliminated. I get very worried when I see bills designed to eliminate the last of the independent farmers.

Using the pretext of food safety, those behind the Food Safety Enhancement Act seek to institute changes the American public would not condone if it understood what is at stake.

The country is being duped into believing that the pseudo-scientific measures prescribed by the bill will prevent new outbreaks of food-borne illnesses when in reality FSEA will usher in a number of undesirable outcomes, none of which do a thing to improve food safety. On the contrary, .... the new regulations will constitute a cost-prohibitive barrier for small players to remain in business, making them easy targets for indiscriminant enforcement and greater market consolidation.....

.....This group, called the Committee for Economic Development, was officially established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations. CED has influenced US domestic policies in much the same way that the CFR has influenced the nation's foreign policies.

Composed of chief executive officers and chairmen from the federal reserve, the banking industry, private equity firms, insurance companies, ... – representatives from every sector of the economy with the key exception of farmers themselves – CED determined that the problem with American agriculture was that there were too many farmers. But the CED had a “solution”: millions of farmers would just have to be eliminated.

In a number of reports written over a few decades, CED recommended that farming “resources” – that is, farmers – be reduced. In its 1945 report “Agriculture in an Expanding Economy,” CED complained that “the excess of human resources engaged in agriculture is probably the most important single factor in the ‘farm problem'” and describes how agricultural production can be better organized to fit to business needs.[2] A report published in 1962 entitled “An Adaptive Program for Agriculture”[3] is even more blunt in its objectives, leading Time Magazine to remark that CED had a plan for fixing the identified problem: “The essential fact to be faced, argues CED, is that with present high levels farm productivity, more labor is involved in agriculture production that the market demands – in short, there are too may farmers....

Over the next five years, the political and economic establishment ensured the reduction of “excess human resources engaged in agriculture” by two million, or by 1/3 of their previous number.

Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn't help but congratulate itself in another agricultural report called “A New US Farm Policy for Changing World Food Needs” for the efficiency of the tactics they employed to drive farmers from their land.[5]

The human cost of CED's plans were exacting and enormous.

CED's plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers' lives ended in suicide [6], not unlike farmers in India today who have been tricked into debt and desperation and can see no other way out....
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