this is not an oil war!

i am surprise to see that many people think that we are in this war from oil, iraq is not even the US main oil source
if we want oil we can obtain it from alaska and texas and under the gulf west. but it is cheaper to obtain it from the middle east and we want to waste every body elses first

well i disagree
although i c ur point and i think oil is a factor
but that;s not the reason why bush wants to go to war


u c in the gulf war saddam hussein was forced to sign a treaty which stated that he would stop and abolish certain kinds of weapons. while clinton was in power embassadors went to check is saddam was following that treaty. but when the US embassadors went to check saddam basically said "you can check here, but not over there...." he was covering certain places. now clinton instead of investigating more he just took the embassadors out of iraq.
i do agree wit the US going to war, saddam hussein did not follow a treaty he is still producing dangerous weapons

and lets not 4get WWII, it happened because in the end of WWI germany was punished terribly, and one of the punishments was that germany could not enlarge their army. but when hitler and the natzi party came to power he broke that treaty and started enlarging his army. no one did anything to enforce that treaty because they didn;t want a war. well look what happened because we didn;t enforced that treaty; we had another world war. i say that we open our eyes and see that saddam husseing is doing something wrong and we need to stop it before it gets out of our hands. just look at hitler

Hi Bluegrl!

You are right in your historical perspective and parrallels with Hitler/Nazi Germany...

However, as far as getting oil from the US, we are actually starting to tap out.... (I am a geologist, and studied petroleum geology for many years) Alaska still has about 20-30 years of oil left, Texas nowhere near that amount (Texas has about 20% of available reserves left)... Now, that doesnt mean 100% of all oil has been recovered, since that is virtually impossible, however, that means the majority of the easily recoverable oil is gone... we have or can develope extraction technology to obtain a good amount more from the ground, but it would be VERY expensive, say around $75 a bbl of oil... That would put you paying almost $10 a gallon at the pump!

I do agree, this war is not about oil (entirely, although it is for some people, the French and Germans) although it does have something to do with it.

In truth, because of thier large population and difficulty in being influenced by western means, and thier possession of a large part of the economy, the Muslim population is becoming a threat to the Cabal, and therefore, the following war is designed to disable, or greatly decrease Muslim influence in the world.

the most logical thing to do is accept the problem as it is. our supply of oil will be gone very soon. period. now here is one thing we could do. begin selling our reserves of oil and using that money to invest completely in new fuel technologies such as hydrocell power. that has the greatest potential as being a new source of power. it is easily doable once the money is invested to develop it, and will last for thousands of years, considering hydrogen is what makes up a large percentage of all matter in the known universe. i dunno if the war is about oil or not, don't really care. i can't stop it so why bother caring what it's about. weapons of mass destruction will someday get into the hands of someone like hussein or bin laden and we can do nothing about it. but it will happen.

Hey long time no see Bluegrl89

I agree totally, but I don't think oil is a factor in anyway what-so-ever, Qatar and Russia are better candidates and both are much more friendly to the US.

that's my 2 cents...as for Nazi//Iraq parallels, plenty, and we should democraticize Iraq like we did Germany.

Sincerely,
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Right this is not an oil waar like many think, it is a war to rid the world of an evil madman. Plus we do need a new type of fuel, cause I figure there is only a few hundred years suppy of oil left.

Jedi, for fossil fuels, we have about 50 years of petroleum left worldwide, and about 300 years of coal. We do however, have much more than that in natural gas if estimates are correct in the amount locked up in the oceanic sediments in clathrates, but that is considered by some as pie in the sky thinking...

As far as the new energy technology, it exists here now today, and has existed since at least the 50s... We havent seen them, and wont see them because they have all been bought up and locked away by the oil cartels in order to not threaten thier current economy.... However, when they do run out, I expect the same companies to suddenly trot these *new* technologies out to save the day (and make a killing on prices at the same time). Meanwhile, we are totally depleting our reserves to the last drop and last dime to keep them rich....and destroying the environment along the way.

Sorry, im usually more serious than this. but i couldnt resist posting this!

wow i never tought that people would notice i was gone for such a long time
anyways i am happy to see that people agree with me on this.

i agree...this war is not about oil! i think it is about putting democracy there and that will eventualy bring peace and stability in that region.

It's a war to secure one of the most important stretegic interest of America, nothing else. Oil is a big part of the many reasons. It's quite simple.

You see, the original plan is to be the solely Super Power in this century and for as long as posible in the future.

Wake up people. jesus.
okay, this war might be about oil for France and Germany but not the us? That'll be why France and Germany dont want a war then? Suppose it could make sense, if you were on acid.
Do you really, honestly think that an administration that was financed by oil companys and includes god knows how many ex oil chiefs/directors/arse lickers, is going to start advocating eviromently friendly energy sources, that as was said, have been around since the fifties.
Your right about one thing, that this war is all about American interests in the middle east. And that interest is O-I-L.

And could people please stop comparing this to Hitler and the second world war, THERE IS ABSOLUTLY NO COMPARISON TO BE MADE. Its also an insult to those who died in that war.
Actually the argument of "what if we didnt stop hitler" etc is quite rich coming from the americans who didnt give a flying f**k about hitler till pearl harbour was bombed.

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This war is partly about oil, partly about US intersts and partly about ridding the area of a dyspeptic madman who may at some future time become a real threat to the stability of the world, which therefore makes it not just a US interest but a global one.

Take your pick but all these reasons are relevent despite what the pro's and anti's say.

keg how can u be so closed minded?
if we do go to war with iraq don't you think that for that period of time the we are at war the oil proces would go up.
and yes you can related this war to WWII
hitler broke a treaty because in the end of WWI germany wasn't allowed to grow its army.
then when the natzi party came to power with hitler just 20 years later they kept breaking that treaty and making their army bigger and bigger. AND NO ONE STOPPED HIM, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT ANOTHER WAR! that is how germany came from beign a puny little country to beign a major power.

WE ARE IN THE SAME SITUATION ONCE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
in the gulf war saddam hussein signed a treaty stating that he would stop making biological weapons and abolish any that he has!!!! HE STILL PRODUCES THOSE KINDS OF WEAPONS. HE BROKE A TREATY, HE NEEDS TO BE STOPPED!!!!!!
one needs to learn from our mistakes and not let history repeat its self.
and for the record iraq is not even the US main oil source.

Kegs is just living in a dream world. France I know of but not sure about Germany, purchase oil very cheaply from Iraq. And for Europe that's a big thing because their gas prices are never much less than 3 dollars a gallon

So of course they don't want a regeim change, and Russia has made future contracts with Iraq that they don't want to lose money on, and Germany is just politically backwards!

What should be done, is said that the NEW Iraqi government will uphold the responsibilities to pay off all debts of the former Iraqi government.

Just as the Great and Free United States of America did not default on her debts after becoming independant.

Sincerely,
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We don't get any of our oil from Iraq anymore. We don't even get that much from Kuwait. (sp?)

We get our oil from venezuaila.(I totally botched that spelling) Unfortunatly, no not unfortunatly I can't spell, the people in venezualia(in south america if you can't pronounce it from my spelling) are or were on strike. That's why oil prices are rising. We get almost all of our oil from them.

I think we have our oil situation under control. We don't need any from Iraq. We should just take control, and give the whole country to Kuwait.

we do get some oil from Iraq through it's oil-for-food program (2% - I think??). If the US wanted it's oil I suspect they wouldn't object to every little hootenanny Iraq tries to trade oil for - we'd just buy the oil. Frankly, Iraqi oil would probably be more expensive if Iraq was democratized and 'unionized.' But, like someone mentioned, spelling notwithstanding, Venezuela sells the US a lot of oil. So does Mexico and Canada, those three countries are our top providers.

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No Bob, you are wrong, that is the reason why Saddam has to be removed, there is no way US can do business with Iraq, they can't buy the oil. That'll be against the boycott and that'll upset Israel. So America would never buy oil from Saddam. It'll make Iraq dangerous again. In fact they don't trust anyone but themself to be in control of Iraq, they first said to stay there for at least 3 years, now they say they'll stay for as long as needed.

Ok now think about this, Iraq and Iran have a lot of oil together and they are not very friendly in America's eyes. Now wouldn't it be great if you had control over those 2 countries ? Behind the scene you'll have control over who does what, and thus make a lot of money selling the Oil. Oil import is huge, cost a lot of money, it's simple to start exporting the oil and you'll be in control of many countries. If they don't listen they don't get oil it's very simple.

France Russia and China all has great interests in Iraq, and they see how America just take it all away and they can't do anything. That is why they try to stop the war, so their interest stays untouched. I just don't understand why people keeps ignoring such things.
The evidence is there, almost all members of the Bush Administration (at least the important ones) has something to do with the oil business. Most of them already played a role in previous Iraq conflicts. Even Afghanistan President Karzai had something to do with the oil business.

So the first 3 chapters are about the oil, it's to get a base for further developments. Be independent for oil and you can continue to build up your power.

Look peoples, right now there are 3 other crazy man in the world who are a far bigger danger for world peace than Saddam is !!!! So please stop repeating the rest when they say Saddam is a threat for world peace. The world Will NOT get any safer when he's gone !



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but it is all about the OIL folks!!

My nephew is in Afganistan right now, US Army AirCav, and his #1 assignment is to protect the employees of Mobil, Texaco, BP, Amoco, and Arco that are working on a natural gas pipeline and are also exploring the middle of this hell-hole for oil reserves. He's also overheard conversations about what will be done once the Iraqi oil fields are secured and how long it should take to establish shipping rights via the Kuwaiti ports.

You may want to think we're doing all of this for some high-minded ideals or some moralistic concept of "protecting" the poor Iraqi people from their monstrous dictator but not even Forrest Gump is that naive. Yes the oil reserves are dwindling and the oil-magnate capitalists of the US made sure one of thier own got the top spot in the whitehouse to ensure they'd get thier war for oil rights.

So next time your filling up the gas tank on your SUV at $2.28 a gallon, you'll know exactly why we're going to war, but don't try to fool yourself or anyone else as to the reasons for it. Its all about that "texas tea"!!!

Peace

usmc if the us wants oil they just have to come to canada to the alberta tar sands-trust me i'm from canada i know right now they are starting to build the pipe line

come on people, no one knows the motives of our government. nothing they say is clear and everything they don't say is "classified". watching one of them get interviewed is like watching a lava lamp, it's only interesting if you're high.

USMC: don't joke too hard on SUV folk, after the winter we are having i understand the need (in some places at least) for 4 w/drive.