Bobdy bags for flu "assisatnce"....

I know this is a bit off topic, but I thought this was great..."make your own vaccine..

Originally posted by Aeons
Yes. Pandemic supplies should include body bags.

I know. Sense doesn't matter.

Yes, of course, but the point was, that they asked for a needed supplies a LONG time ago, and when they finally get some, they were not the things they asked for, and it was like "well, no medicine for you guys, so just take these body bags instead"....it was the principle, not as much as the bags themself.....it would have been equally insutling if they just sent the hand sanitizer, since it was MEDICINE they have been asking about etc...

You also have to evaluate swine flu itself. H1N1, as it exists in all recorded cases is not an extremely severe pandemic. Most cases report similar, if not exactly the same symptoms of any flu. Flu, just the run of the mill breed, is almost if not just as deadly as H1N1. There are studies looking into its effects on the respiratory system, but as with most flu, complications or infections in areas where people are already weak generally increases the chances of complications and/or death.

One of our buddies contracted H1N1. Was sick for about 5 or 6 days, reported it to be less severe than most flu he has caught. People fling around the idea of an "upgraded" or more deadly strain of H1N1 on the loose, but there is very little, if any evidence that I have seen that supports this idea.

As for the body bags, it is pretty grim. It IS logical however, if expecting the possibility of large amounts of casualties in a specific area. Dead bodies are breeding grounds for diseases and viruses. If bodies are not properly disposed of they can increase the problem 10 fold.

reply to post by mellisamouse


That's not true. Medicine was also sent. The shipment included hand sanitizer, masks, antivirals and the "controversial" body bags. Please don't post false facts.

Originally posted by ZombieSlayer
reply to post by mellisamouse

 

That's not true. Medicine was also sent. The shipment included hand sanitizer, masks, antivirals and the "controversial" body bags. Please don't post false facts.

I wasn't posting false facts, they waited a rediculouslly long time for the llittle medication they did recieve..... so don't demonise or attack me to minimize things please.

What medicine does one think should be sent?

If they want Bendryl, they can buy it at the mart themselves.

Vaccines aren't ready yet for them. If there were, then there would be claims that the native population was being used as guinea pigs.

Some of the remote reserves do have problems with certain products being used in ways that are not good for people.

Again, if these products had been sent then there would be an uproar about sending things into the reserves that are known problems in order to handicap them.

There is no right answer.

reply to post by mellisamouse


Only a small number of the population has been effected so far. So "ridiculously long" might be an exageration.

reply to post by Aeons


sadly you are correct...there IS no right answer.....

That is a huge pandoras box that was opened by peoples trust being betrayed one time too many...

Okay. Let's all do nothing then.

OP -

Have you ever been to a remote northern res?

The weather will turn very soon. When it does, there will be a few months where getting supplies in and out will be a bit more difficult. The winter roads in a lot of N. Manitoba won't be operational until late December at best. In the meantime, it can be tricky to get supplies in.

At this time of year, it's the norm to stock up on supplies in general.

And it's also the norm - when making shipments to anywhere in the Canadian North - to bundle your shipments into one large one. That's just logistics. One large shipment = one plane. Two small shipments = two planes. Which costs more money.

Body bags, like it or not, are necessary medical supplies. Heading into a winter (the season with the highest mortality rate in the North), does it not seem reasonable to include them in a shipment of other medical supplies?

Yes, there is a pandemic. People have died. Everywhere. Regardless of the availability of medicine. More people will die, regardless of the availability of medicine. That's a fact.

The Native leaders I've read in the news seem to be in denial over this. One was protesting the suggestion at an emergency planning session that the local ice rink be turned into a morgue in the worst case scenario.

This suggestion was presented as heartless, cruel, and bordering on racist. But think about it - at a planning session for preparing for the worst-case scenario in a pandemic - is it really so heartless and cruel? Likewise sending additional body bags - there is no loss to the community if they don't get used this winter, or in the next decade. But if the need arises, the benefit to the community in having them available is immense.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. That's the sentiment behind this shipment, as I read it.

The same thing is being planned elsewhere.

All the morgues are gearing up for extra bodies.

There are contingeny plans for what do to if there are too many.

In the North, the ground freezes solid for months upon months. What on earth do people think they would do with a bunch of bodies?

Pretend they aren't there?

Superstition - that planning is like asking for it.

Body bags instead of trying to provide them with some kind of medical assistance (doctors,nurses,etc). Nice thinking.
Canada would be such a nice place without a gouvernment. Yeah,you can bash me for that last one,i'm Canadian

Originally posted by Bursuc
Body bags instead of trying to provide them with some kind of medical assistance (doctors,nurses,etc). Nice thinking.

Yeah, aside from maxing out shipments of supplies to all of the northern clinics and nursing stations, offering massive cash incentives for medical staff to move North on a permanent basis, enlisting medical staff to be flown in during emergencies that might arise during this pandemic, developing contingency plans to cover everything from the first sneeze to keeping supply lines open in a complete quarantine lockdown, and putting native communities on the list of groups to get the first vaccines - the government has done absolutely nothing.



What exactly do people expect Health Canada to do? Assign a personal primary care nurse to shadow every Native man, woman and child 24 hours a day?

Force people to work there.

As a reader of ATS, an evaluation of the swine flu was made that shook me to the core.

In short...the G-20 meeting is to be used for a transfer of weaponized swine flu/vaccine........!!

First.... google g-20 security..... a de facto martial law.
This led me to ask why Pittsburgh......why not Las Vegas....?? At least the G-20 could drop a few billion $ on the casino's there.....LOL

Second......google G-20 summit ...up come UPMC
www.upmc.com ...

"An integrated global health enterprise"

UPMC IS the HQ for the media at this meeting.....

Third....see Medical Milestones.....home of Jonas Salk, organ transplants, and psychiatry, and swine flu researcher Don Burke
Fourth ....timing......at the very beginning of Flu season..

Question....is UPMC Media Center the transfer point into or out of
for weaponized swine flu vaccine through diplomatic pouches for a worldwide pandemic, or a 911 type biowarfare attack on the USA.

Keep in mind that a 1% reduction in the US population, (which 4% of the world utilizes 25% of the world's oil) could reduce the world oil consumption by 10%!!! This would setback the alt-energy field, and free up oil for the BRIC counties.

Also, if developed in a deep abandoned Pittsburgh coal mine, could be easily contained with a few explosives.

Also, a major supplier of the swine flu vaccine to the US, Novartis, is HQ in the same city as the BIS (Bank of International Settlements... www.bis.org... )

Thoughts....we have motive, resources, and timing....

Please seriously consider this posting as we only have a week or so left to handle this....
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First public posting of this on ATS....
eBolivar

reply to post by Lemon.Fresh


Here's a link to a news site but the artical itself is fairly old.
www.thisislondon.co.uk...