Peter Schiff: stock up on supplies, necesseties, and alcohol and cigarettes for batering

reply to post by FritosBBQTwist


Again I do not think that is what Schiff is saying at all... he is warning to prepare for a more than likely dollar crash.

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Exactly,

You did the right thing.

We buy in bulk when things are on sale. Why buy just one can of your favorite soup when it's on sale when you can buy a couple of cases. Same thing with pasta and anything else that has a long shelf life. Same thing with paper products. We also combine sale items with coupons for surprising savings. I also write the purchase dates on the things that I buy and use from oldest to newest.

We've been doing this for years. When you get used to living this way you end up saving so much money and you're prepared ...just in case.

Sometimes our hallway looks like the endcap in a grocery store because we have so many cases of food. But, we use it. Only purchase things that you use and make sure you use the things that you buy.

Originally posted by House Of Mirrors
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Imminent? No way. There won't be a complete collapse. There are too many of us to let that happen. Some deal will get struck up between countries to continue to let everything operate business as usual.

We keep looking for the economy to breathe its last breath that we end up making it happen. Instead of continuing to do our work, live our lives and enjoy what we have, we keep looking at the glass being half empty.........

Nope, can never happen, never happened before.

Many people are predicting a devaluation of the dollar vs other currencies because the US is printing too much money. (remember basic supply and demand)

Some people have talked about this for a long long time. How do we pay back the Chinese? With worthless paper dollars. That's a bad joke but who will be holding the bag of worthless currency?

So how do you invest your money when we're facing a devaluation in the dollar?

I've got some of my money in overseas funds. If the dollar tanks slowly and the economy of the world doesn't take a dump, then the money that i have in foreign funds should gain in value just from the devaluation of the dollar. So I'll have more dollars.

Originally posted by House Of Mirrors
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Imminent? No way. There won't be a complete collapse. There are too many of us to let that happen. Some deal will get struck up between countries to continue to let everything operate business as usual.

Do you manage a hedge fund or a central bank? Who is "us" in your statement?

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar

Originally posted by House Of Mirrors
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Imminent? No way. There won't be a complete collapse. There are too many of us to let that happen. Some deal will get struck up between countries to continue to let everything operate business as usual.

Do you manage a hedge fund or a central bank? Who is "us" in your statement?

One thing that ATS has over almost any other site is the posters that are extremely observant and pick up on everything. No, I'm no major player in the central bank or hedge fund world. I saw an article on the WSJ site this morning which is as close to the financial world as I can get. Honesty is about the only currency on this site and I'm not going to burn through it 2 hours into being a member.

I just don't see how the world entities who rely on each other will allow one to fail. They each know they are connected to the other one by a chain and if one sinks, they all sink. The US, China, India, Iran, Japan, etc... each are not going to allow the other to fail. The US will get a "release" from the debt in exchange for allowing Iran to continue to build nuclear weapons, India will get its water sources back from the Chinese if the US agrees to put pressure on Pakistan.. The scenario will have different players but the story line and ending are the same. Your mortgage, car payment and other expenses will still be there (if you have any of them now) in 2, 5, 15 or 30 years from now.

reply to post by House Of Mirrors


Ah yes, there is lots for you to learn... House of Mirrors, first off welcome to our humble abode of craziness. Just remember the world is always going to end tomorrow.

Now I suggest you start with the crash course on www.chrismartenson.com

If will help you understand where we are heading and how our monetary system works. There are a lot of really good videos out there. Fiat Money and Fractional Reserve Lending Systems done by the central banks means basically you have to crash. The underlying currency is exponential debt where wealth is always funneled up when you study the basic mechanics of the system.

Here's the deal. The feds took care of the immediate threat. All those who tried to make money off of a diaster will be suspect.
Good luck.

Im going to buy a couple cartons of smokes maybe 3+ For 3 Brands, Couple 30 Packs of a variety of brew...and ammo...I work across the street from an ammunitions dealer who has been pretty good to me...a couple hundred box's sounds about right...under the table of course....

Should be enough for the 7+ weapons at my household...

If you don't have 1 handgun and shotgun at your household with about 4-5 box's of ammunition each...your falling behind the pack....

Will be going to costco this weekend as well to purchase canned goods.

Good luck to you all...your government won't be helping you.

Originally posted by JJay55
Here's the deal. The feds took care of the immediate threat. All those who tried to make money off of a diaster will be suspect.
Good luck.

HAHAHAHHEHEHEHEHE....yeah the immediate threat to their buddies bank accounts and bottom line.....weeeee....oooh the colors......

Originally posted by Anonymous Avatar
reply to post by FritosBBQTwist

 

Again I do not think that is what Schiff is saying at all... he is warning to prepare for a more than likely dollar crash.

And people never lie.

Didn't the almighty Ben Bernanke say the recession was over?

My point is that who do you believe?

I think the dollar will not crash, yet we should also be prepared for a few rough bumps in the road. Having a surplus of supplies isn't a bad idea either. It is a good idea, even in a good economy.

Don't take this guys words in conjunction with the idea that the economy is going to once again, crash. Be ready for if it happens, but do not live as if it already has happened.

Originally posted by FritosBBQTwist
Didn't the almighty Ben Bernanke say the recession was over?

My point is that who do you believe?

Haha, exactly!

It is completely ridiculous that people are still listening to the people that couldn't even see the current economic crisis coming. Not only that, they are REWARDING them with more money and more power!

Collapse is inevitable.

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Yup.

That is my point that it is useless to get caught up in something where you (us), more than likely, know nothing about as a whole.

And people here on ATS continue to quote people who only back their own ideas, despite the fact that there are liars and hoaxes on both sides.

A good friend told me to believe NOTHING you read or hear. Just take it as gravy.

Look at good ole' Alex Jones. He was many conspiracy theorist's hero, until of course he had his hoax. Do these same people not question the people on their side as long as they are on their side?

I do not defend left or right, but defend the right to question both and not only one. Seems like the same methods are used by both the majority and minority.

I can contribute to this topic since my country went through probably the worst hyperinflation in the history of civilization. If you smoke or drink - then do stock up on that stuff. You may get poor and barely have a piece of bread and fresh water, but at least you'll have some damn cigarettes.

If you plan on leaving smokes, better do it now because in bad times you'll want them the most.

Originally posted by Doomsday 2029

Originally posted by Agree2Disagree
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While I agree with stockpiling I cant help but disagree with cigarettes and alcohol for bartering.

The majority that haven't prepared for a collapse like this will see that you are "holding" and try to raid you for your supplies. Meanwhile, the ones that have prepared probably won't be in the bartering "mood". I mean, what are yopu going to gain? You think they're going to give you some food for a pack of smokes? I know I wouldn't.

 

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Yea, what Peter was really saying, without actually saying it, is that you need to have a few guns in your home. It's a nice way of spreading the truth without sounding like a fear mongerer.

If we've reached the point where we are trading 'smokes' like we are in prison, then you better be prepared with some protection.

It's sad to say this, but "we the people" might end up being your enemy.

[edit on 16-9-2009 by Doomsday 2029]

Spot on, spot on. That is what he was trying to say, people should be investing in guns to protect themselves. Because if your down to trading and bartering cigarettes and such then it isn't to far from the I'm bigger and I will take it from you scenario unless you deter them. Here's something to consider, are we to big to maintain. We have more money going out than is coming in and the money coming in is borrowed or made out of thin air. Eventually Schiff is right, we may see this country break into multiple politically ran regions or countries themselves in order to survive the GREAT DEPRESSION redux.

I can't really see this happening, to the point where we barter with cigarettes. If it happens its a dog eat dog world, Im heavy into games and I was playing Fall out 3 and reflected on it. Wondering is this our future? because if it does come down to the nitty gritty and America collapses its gonna take the rest of the world with it and the one going down right along with it would be Canada where I live, because people would flood the border and etc. And its funny because not once, did I hear about the tobacco industry going for a bail out.

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That’s not entirely true. You must take meat during cold else you can suffer tularemia and other killers like ehrlichiosis . Most all squirrels, rabbits and deer have it during summer months. They are basically parasitic bacteria from ticks. Tularemia can’t be cooked out, and is really bad news.

Never eat game with a spotted liver! One could play the cards and just not eat sick animals (Learn the ends and outs of spotting tainted meat), but you never really know for sure.

All should learn how to smoke meats, and to construct a smoke house. Keep and store smoking wares like salt etc. Everyone should stock pile non-hybrid vegetable seeds and enough fencing to enclose a suitable garden (Hybrid plants produce unviable seeds, so you wouldn’t be able to harvest seeds for the next season.) Learn canning techniques and acquire the needed wares, and supplies. Sugar and gelatin can be kept for long periods if stored correctly, and can be used to can preserves all kinds of wild fruits.

Oh do not forget to learn the ends and outs of gardening. Good dirt, good sunlight. Learn to spot things like the spotted tomato virus, and others that require the immediate removal of plants etc etc. I have seen folks plant in clay with little direct sunlight. The general rule of thumb is direct or near direct sunlight all day, and a good soil makes all the difference.

Goats are always a good investment, they are low maintenance and require no fencing etc. Just let em run, do be prepared to actively hunt and kill bobcats and other predators that may take your goats.

Cattle is always a good option. Just make sure not to over exploit your resources here. Maybe one should do some reading on the subject of tending a herd and pasture requirements for given numbers etc.

Oh, lest we forget. Chickens and guineas are king!!!

Some other items. Wood stove and support equipment like extra sets of vent pipes. Saws for getting firewood etc etc etc. You can stay warm and cook on wood stoves. We do it every year when we get snowed in and the power is out.

Try and imagine all the things you would need to setup camp and survive at least two winters in the middle of nowhere. Now all that will likley be gone in a few months but you will have a good start.

Don’t forget to get plenty of shovels and digging equipment (Metal buckets, rope, pullies, wheel barrow etc etc). You will have to dig wells and sellers. We have a gravity fed system from a hand dug well on top of our mountain the pressure is better than that of city water. We have a tank up there and when we lose the siphon we fill the tank by hand and use it to start the siphon.

Don’t forget a few beasts of burden.

This list will leave you wanting for lots, but is a good start.

Also without access to antibiotics, even small things can turn ugly really fast. Before pasteurization of the number 1 killer of young person’s was cow’s milk. Learn to spot and treat wounds that are starting to go septic. Maybe even keep a still for alcohol production. It’s very useful for more than just drinking.

Before it was outlawed hemp was deemed one of the most useful survival plants on earth. In fact America was built on hemp. Anyone with alittle reading can produce rope every bit as good as that found in stores. Also you can make nets, trot line, cloth, insultaion etc etc from this handy stuff.

Learn to tan hides and keep the needed wares.

Oh yeah, you will need firearms. Maybe in a very isolated environment a muzzle loader with a stock pile of lead and bullet molds would be handy, just make sure it can shoot shot as well as a riffled projectile. Black powder is hard to store unless vacuumed packed, so maintain a knowledge of making gun cotton or black powder. Learning to dry black powder without igniting it is probably good knowledge to have.

If you can find the information, its advantageous to know how to make gun cotton and black powder from readily found natural sources. Sodium nitrate can be extracted from source with boiling water, but sulfuric acid will require sulfur. So a survivor may want to consider keeping a supply of Nitric Acid etc.





[edit on 17-9-2009 by Donkey_Dean]

Warren Buffet says it's Over

He says that he is buying stocks right now because he's getting so much for his money.

If you don't know warren buffet do some research. He's one person that we should all listen to.

i will be stocking up on guns and ammo

Originally posted by gettingitright
About fitting in and not looking well-fed, another tip I read somewhere is to have some clothes that are too big and hang loose on you (easily found at a thrift shop) so that it looks like you are losing weight.

Ever see a half-starved dog ?

Hunger appears in the countenance , the face , especially the eyes. I've witnessed it for the past 6yrs , when I began volunteering as a server in a local soup kitchen. The families with children are especially heartbreaking.

Loose fitting clothing will only make you look well fed & poorly dressed.

If you're expecting Mad Max , maybe a sturdy pair of butt-less chaps would be more appropriate.