I believe over 1,000 people were murdered due to the actions of a UK national newspaper

I have now had an article published in 'Inside Time' - the newspaper for prisoners, and is has been distributed to all prisons across the UK (circulation 46,000, UK prison population 84,000). Here is the online link:-

insidetime.org...

Since the 10th of this month I have been receiving confidential correspondence from prisoners.

I'm not seeing how the headlines in one national daily paper can subconsciously incite people into violence. Surely all news papers would be guilty of sensationalist mantra, not only the Mail. Is there any proof of a direct link between their headlines and knife crime? Are there any stats showing how many people involved in knife crime actually read the Daily Mail? Or do you just not like the Daily Mail?

Let me start of with saying, i am not from the UK. i have never read the Publication which is being speculated upon.

That being said, theres a name for the wording and structure being used as headlines and possibly in article texts within this Publication. The name is Neuro Linguistic Programming.

NLP

i'm not speculating that this is NLP, im informing that it IS NLP. i have studied NLP and i know how to use NLP. "Knives are out", "Knives being sharpened", "Rape Girl..." This is NLP. And one doesnt have to read the paper, they simply have to SEE the Words, that is all it takes. The subconscious mind will do the rest. We take in many many times more data into our subconscious mind than we do in our conscious mind. This is scientific fact.


Watch this video, and you will see what i mean.




This is a KNOWN fact, and used accordingly by Corporations, Media, and Government alike, and usually, those three entities are using it in collusion with each other.

The reason i put up the disclaimer at the top of the post, is for what i am going to write next. i grew up in and around street culture in the US, and though i'm sure its not EXACTLY like the streets of UK, what with our easy access to guns, im willing to bet its got more similarities than differences.

i know that many of my "peers" and i would read the newspapers, for various reasons. Some of us would buy a paper and pass it around when we'd be hanging out. Some read the sports section, some read the business section. Others read the World news, If somebody had the paper, they'd bring it around, we'd take it apart. This stemmed from sheer boredom, its not like we were spending every second of our lives trying to "scrape scrilla" (make money) even though we always were thinking about it. This activity wasn't just limited to me and my boys either, many so called "thugs" would read the paper. i've been in countless discussions with people you would *never* expect to be discussing subjects you would never expect them to discuss. i've discussed World finance and the COMEX and precious metals with a group of crack dealers. People in the "hood" like feeling well informed just as much the next guys, and their even more prone to conspiracy theories than other members of society. This wasnt limited to a certain Publication, this was whatever we had.

My point is, theres ample opportunity for the "underclass hoodlums" to access these headlines. Remember, they dont have to read the article, just see the words.


As for my personal ideas regarding why this is going on, it is simply to make knives go the way of guns in the UK. Can't have an armed populace, even if they are just knives. Sometimes, a knife is more deadly, especially when your cops dont all carry guns, a knife slips behind and between kevlar pretty well.

love and peace

I am now reaching the concluding part of my 8-year investigation - well I certainly hope so.

Youngsters have told me they they think "Knives are out for Gordon Brown" means 'they want people to get knives to stab Gordon Brown to death' or that it means 'get the knives out'

People with mental disorders have written to me to tell me that they commited their knife crime after reading Daily Mail headlines about "knives coming out".

Since the Daily Mail were sent cease and desist there's been virtually no reported knife crime whatsoever. They even printed a headline

"Now the latest victim in Britain's blade culture........ the penknife"

because you see they couldn't report any murders.

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Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
The figures from the Home Office - if these are correct - although they are enormous, at least there is a downward tread. Could you post a direct link to the data please?

Welcome to the Research Development and Statistics

Is a lot of information. Also where did you get your stats for the last 2 months or are they just anecdotal. Or your own perception of what you see in the papers or MSM

Sorry but this is just stupid. Now news headlines are NLP? How about I just go grab a fork and pluck both of my eyeballs out just in case The Sun has a "suggestive" headline. You can't be serious. Should we ban books in case someone gets the wrong idea from the plot? How about we just make everyone illiterate, if they can't read they can't be brainwashed right?

What you are really talking about here is censorship of the press. And while your intentions might be well placed, you have no business dictating to anyone what is and what is not acceptable to be printed. Get off your high horse.

With regard to me being able to say there has been a massive drop in knife crime during the last 2 months, I am particularly referring to knife crime homicide.

Usually, what would happen is the Daily Mail or Mail on Sunday would print a headline like:-

"After a week to forget, the knives are out".

Then, a few days later, usually 3-4 days later, the knife murder would be reported in the Daily Mail newspaper.

There were stabbings every week, more than once a week. Terribly upsetting! Poor families! Poor victims.

Since all these headlines stopped (and at one point the Daily Mail used "Knives are out" on a WEEKLY basis) there hasn't been hardly any knife murders relative to what it was like - I know because I read 3 or 4 newspapers a day, and watch TV news on 2 channels 3 times a day.

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I guess they get away with it because you are focusing on just one thing. The world is full of these negative influences... tv, adverst, papers, it all adds up but they will keep doing these things because you will never get all the culprits in the same room.

Originally posted by TheDailyPlanet
With regard to me being able to say there has been a massive drop in knife crime during the last 2 months, I am particularly referring to knife crime homicide.

Usually, what would happen is the Daily Mail or Mail on Sunday would print a headline like:-

"After a week to forget, the knives are out".

Then, a few days later, usually 3-4 days later, the knife murder would be reported in the Daily Mail newspaper.

There were stabbings every week, more than once a week. Terribly upsetting! Poor families! Poor victims.

Since all these headlines stopped (and at one point the Daily Mail used "Knives are out" on a WEEKLY basis) there hasn't been hardly any knife murders relative to what it was like - I know because I read 3 or 4 newspapers a day, and watch TV news on 2 channels 3 times a day.

OMG, so if the media don't report something then you believe its not happening?

Seriously is that what you think?

And as for the Mail printing sensationalist articles, usually to do with the break down of the fabric of society, why do you think they do that?

Did a search on-line www.dailymail.co.uk using the word "Knife" so according to this article and your theory someone should have now gone to Subway and stab someone to death. But it didn't happen

Horrified man discovers four- inch knife in his Subway sandwich

A couple who found a knife in their takeaway sandwich have described their experience as 'scary'. Martin Venner unwrapped his sweet chilli chicken Subway sandwich - and was horrified to discover a four-inch knife inside.

Mr Venner, 52, from Cornwall, purchased the sandwich from the St Austell branch of the popular sandwich chain.

Originally posted by quackers
Sorry but this is just stupid. Now news headlines are NLP? How about I just go grab a fork and pluck both of my eyeballs out just in case The Sun has a "suggestive" headline. You can't be serious. Should we ban books in case someone gets the wrong idea from the plot? How about we just make everyone illiterate, if they can't read they can't be brainwashed right?

What you are really talking about here is censorship of the press. And while your intentions might be well placed, you have no business dictating to anyone what is and what is not acceptable to be printed. Get off your high horse.

Sir/Madam,

NLP has been used in newspapers for a long time, this isn't something new. And you do not have to pluck your eyeballs out, you simply have to be consciously aware that there is subliminal and suggestive wording within a Publication, Advert, and really, media of any kind. As long as you are aware, your conscious mind will spot these. You reading that this is possible has already caused your subconscious mind to direct your conscious mind into finding such things. You will see in the next few days, as you pick out various things within whatever media you choose to enjoy, that this is no joke.

As for censorship, not at all. i never said they should stop doing what they are doing, and i advocate free speech to its fullest. They don't have to stop doing it, we just have to be aware its being done. By all means, they can put in whatever they want, its their newspaper. Who am i to tell them what to do, and what not to do?

When you start to pick out various things within the media, drop me a u2u. Don't worry, i wont be giving you a "told you so" simply would like to see what sort of things you've been picking up on. i find the topic of mind control and manipulation to be fascinating, albeit in a very disgusting way.


love and peace

May I just re-iterate my point about the axe murder incitement by the Daily Mirror ?Upon complaining to several newspaper editors about the Sun's use of the word KNIVED in RED, which I believe led to a girl's murder, I received a letter from the Editor of the Daily Mirror noting my points.

The very next day Richard Wallace, the Editor, published the front page headline

"Spice Girls are AXED from Live 8"

with the word Axed printed in Red.

That afternoon Anthony Walker was murdered with an axe.

Originally posted by Hazelnut
reply to post by TheDailyPlanet

 

I've heard about and read about and watched movies about "sleepers" who are given "triggers" which compel them to do certain pre-programmed actions without memory of said actions. Would this in any way relate to your concerns? The headlines including wording such as you've included in the OP like, "the knives are out" being a codeword enducing these sleepers to step up knife crime for some nefarious purpose?

"Would you kindly" post some references there? A little joke for those who got that, but do you really know of any real-world use or attempted use of this phenomenon?

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"I'm sorry, its clear you genuinely believe this but serisously, this is an insane preoccupation to have.

You are so misguided on so many levels.

If you believe this is right and I am wrong may i suggest you persuade a university to perform a proper academic study into it and you get on with your life."

There are elements of truth in what the OP is saying. The press,(not all) always use slanted language to emphasise an agenda for their stories. It's on their conscience, but mostly they don't have one. Simple storytelling is never enough, they have to add propaganda and simple deceit.

TheDailyPlanet - what motivates you to persue this matter so obsessively? Have you had personal experience with perhaps a friend or family member being stabbed? How did you come to notice these so-called trends in the first place?

I hate to sound condescending but have you considered that your theory may be wrong and you may be devoting too much of your time to this theory? I say this because you do not seem to respond to posts criticising and pointing out flaws in your theory. You just continue on and on and on with your original point, like a bulldozer, ignoring all contrary evidence.

I don't want to appear flippant but have you considered perhaps speaking to a pyschologist regarding your obsession with this theory and the patterns you have noticed? Just an idea.

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I wouldn't even bother explaining. Those who do not believe (ahem) in NLP are not only easily influenced by it but are also living life on a different agenda. If you are not aware it's hard to realise how wierd (yet effective) NLP is.

It's not just this issue about knives, the tabloids all spread bogus opinions without using logic, and some of their readers are incited to hate people of a particular background or race without having an appropriate reason beforehand.

I wouldn't be surprised if the knife crime has worsened because of idiotic reporting, or even played a part in racism towards immigrants.

"Spice Girls are AXED from Live 8"

with the word Axed printed in Red was published by the Daily Mirror as their front page cover, the effect is the emphasis of the word axed, which ambiguates it's metaphorical status.

That afternoon Anthony Walker was murdered with an axe. "

When the Daily Mail published "Swords are out", someone was murdered with a sword a few days later.

When the Mail printed on the front cover "Who will give Tony Blair a bloody nose?" there were fights all over Britain.

When the Mail printed "Rape girl, 13, stoned to death" a 14 year old girl was raped by a group of feral youths stoned on marijuana.

I am not responding to some posts because they contain some ridiculous questions, I'm afraid that's what I think and have seen. The answers are all there in the posts, that these headlines were published is a fact, and I think there influence is downright obvious ! I am flaggerghasted that some of you are trying to rubbish this information, after the UK has seen the greatest and most dramatic fall in knife crime for 8 years !

"Spice Girls are AXED from Live 8"

When the Daily Mail published "Swords are out", someone was murdered with a sword a few days later.

When you do a google search for "Samurai swords Killed UK" you get a lot of hits. Not a rare event same applies for axe deaths.

When the Mail printed on the front cover "Who will give Tony Blair a bloody nose?" there were fights all over Britain.

Really how many fist fights happen everyday at a guess tens of thousands

When the Mail printed "Rape girl, 13, stoned to death" a 14 year old girl was raped by a group of feral youths stoned on marijuana.

In a population of 61 million you probably get a lot of rapes every day. why wasn't she stoned to death?

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I know what NLP is. Just because a newspaper likes to use the word knife, as many millions of people do when speaking vehemently about another, I see it for what it is, a sensationalist headline designed to grab attention and sell papers. It is not designed so turn some marauding group of knife wielding mtv zombies into murderers. It certainly doesn't make me want to go stab someone, not because my cloak of invincibility makes me immune to the power of suggestion, not because I can see the subliminal messages, but because I now the context in which the headline is being used, as some 4,800,000 other Daily Mail readers do. If you were going to use a national to carry out some nefarious social experiment, wouldn't you pick a paper with more than a 10% reach? Sorry, this theory is just junk science.

I am flaggerghasted that some of you are trying to rubbish this information, after the UK has seen the greatest and most dramatic fall in knife crime for 8 years !

No doubt thanks to your valiant efforts in preventing the youth of Britain from reading the Daily Mail. Claps all round.



[edit on 16-9-2009 by quackers]