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Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by ecoparity
Since it came up in the discussion, specifically the question as to which direction would NASA go in to eliminate any photographic evidence, alter or destroy - it just so happens that Ken Johnston, former NASA Manager of the Data and Photo Control Department of NASA's Lunar Receiving Laboratory at MSC during the Apollo Program claims he was instructed by his superiors to destroy certain materials from the Moon program, the "high resolution" masters if I recall correctly.
I'm guessing he would be another of those "bad seeds" who make up stories about NASA. It's weird how all these people in pretty high level positions end up going sideways but it was the sixties. There's no telling what kind of shenanigans were going on at the Cape back then.
Dunno about the Cape. But I do know from documentation and interviews that a whole string of Johnston's self-aggrandizing claims are inconsistent with all other independent sources. Jet fighter pilot? Nope, he washed out if flight training (FOIA his military records and prove this yourself). LM test pilot? Nope, he was what we called a 'switch monkey' in the simulator, never got off the ground. Head of photo archives? Nope, he was a shipping clerk. PhD in Physics? Nope, the certificate was for a non-existent 'seminary' in Denver that you buy with a coupon and a check to a PO Box. Saved a set of unique moon pix at his alma mater? Nope, they lost track of them decades ago and didn't notice.
You can verify all these disappointing revelations yourself. Names, dates, places -- all on the public record.
He's another of your reliable experts? Who you gonna call on next -- ACORN???
Are you being PAID to pose as a gullible eager-believer to make real UFO buffs look silly?
Originally posted by JimOberg
Dunno about the Cape. But I do know from documentation and interviews that a whole string of Johnston's self-aggrandizing claims are inconsistent with all other independent sources. Jet fighter pilot? Nope, he washed out if flight training (FOIA his military records and prove this yourself). LM test pilot? Nope, he was what we called a 'switch monkey' in the simulator, never got off the ground. Head of photo archives? Nope, he was a shipping clerk. PhD in Physics? Nope, the certificate was for a non-existent 'seminary' in Denver that you buy with a coupon and a check to a PO Box. Saved a set of unique moon pix at his alma mater? Nope, they lost track of them decades ago and didn't notice.
You can verify all these disappointing revelations yourself. Names, dates, places -- all on the public record.
He's another of your reliable experts? Who you gonna call on next -- ACORN???
Are you being PAID to pose as a gullible eager-believer to make real UFO buffs look silly?
Originally posted by depthoffield
I think Zorgon your example here "about one or other sides making money" is not relevant...
You see, i guess NASA charge you with 110 not because wanting to make money on you, but because that is a service done to you.
I mean, if they have a public free (internet or else )archive, you can get whateved you want for free, but if you want something putting some guys to work....
Actually it was ONE employee who works next door to Bay Area Imaging who simply runs the negative over to them so they can sell it
you can on the other hand ask "why do they -NASA- spent our taxes to so many employees?"
(ussually i guess),
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
And let's all give kudos to Nancy Evans, a true American Heroine who stored these huge machines in her own garage for decades to make this data recovery project possible!
Originally posted by JimOberg Saved a set of unique moon pix at his alma mater? Nope, they lost track of them decades ago and didn't notice.
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
And let's all give kudos to Nancy Evans, a true American Heroine who stored these huge machines in her own garage for decades to make this data recovery project possible!
You want the real story on those machines and tapes? Afterall we broke that story here at ATS from an insiders tip.
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Of course I want the real story! You mean that wasn't the real story in the LA Times?
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by ecoparity
What is so amazing about that? If I was interviewing candidates for a shipping clerk position, I'm sure I wouldn't be looking for any PhDs in their qualifications, and they might not even show that on their resume (Why show it, you don't need a PhD to get a shipping clerk job right?) I may have hired shipping clerks before who had fake PhDs they didn't even tell me about, as long as they did the clerk job well, why would I care? I would only care if they applied for a job as a senior research scientist and tried to use the fake PhD for a qualification, but apparently nothing like that happened. No PhD required for that switch monkey position either, right?
Originally posted by zorgon
Phil Plait from Bad Astronomy charged to do lectures and sell books on DEBUNKING what we talk about so without our side he would have no income. What's good for the goose is good for the gander... For you to say its okay for one side to profit and not the other is stupid...
Originally posted by zorgon
No actually you DON'T see... like usual you just 'guess' and 'assume' your data... The fact is that NASA deals exclusively with a PRIVATE company, Bay Area Imaging who get the money.. no other company is allowed to do this... so its a monopoly
Originally posted by zorgon
A MUCH better question would be " "Why do they -NASA- spent our taxes to fund a RELIGIOUS order and University? Like the latest 11 million dollar grant to Wheeling Jesuit University, the same people who run the National Technology Transfer Center (the agency responsible for which companies get which released technology)
But those questions don't have BOKEH's so perhaps beyond your field
(ussually i guess),
That's five times you have used "I guess" in one post...
Originally posted by Chovy
I was going to post a related YouTube video but alas, it was banned. Atleast you can see the editing in the pictures.
Originally posted by ravenflt
Originally posted by Chovy
I was going to post a related YouTube video but alas, it was banned. Atleast you can see the editing in the pictures.
If you recall what the British hacker who hacked NASA said, he said they do employ airbrushers and other artists and have tons of doctored photos in the archieves which he found (he also said NASA knows that aliens/UFOs exist).
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by Arbitrageur
Of course I want the real story! You mean that wasn't the real story in the LA Times?
Not the whole thing Not even close...
On the first image right click to view the whole picture... I used the ATS tags without the scroll...
Caused quite a stir with this... in fact I am still in contact with the team and it opened another awesome door for me that was errrr unexpected. But that is for later in another thread...
The Lunar Orbiter Image Recovery Project, located at NASA's Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, Calif., is taking analog data from original recorders used to store on tape and 1,500 of the original tapes, converting the data into digital form, and reconstructing the images.
Moffett Federal Airfield , also known as Moffett Field, is a joint civil-military airport located 3 miles (5 km) north of downtown Mountain View, in Sunnyvale, California, USA. The airport is near the south end of San Francisco Bay, north of San Jose. Formerly a United States Navy facility, the former naval air station is now owned and operated by the NASA Ames Research Center.
Originally posted by ecoparity
You know what they say about organizations who always use the tactic of discrediting those who speak out against them?
What I find amazing is how all these unbalanced people were able to get such high level positions within NASA. Either NASA has an HR dept loser's dream of applying through or people lose their minds about 5 minutes after leaving there.
What about Gordon Cooper? He's gone on record as having chased UFOs as a military pilot. Are you going to tell us all his character defects and credibility issues as well?
The point I made was that Donna wasn't all alone in claiming there's something funny going on with the NASA photo group. Other people, including the guy hired to run the entire Lunar mission photo archive have also spoken out.
The problem with your position on this is taking the stance that UFO's aren't real and that everyone who says they are must be "kooky"...
As I stated, there's a huge list of extremely credible people including astronauts who have said otherwise. You can tear down as many of those folks as you want to but it all comes back to that central argument.
Some of the public figures in the debate might have issues but that doesn't mean they are lying.
... I wouldn't be so quick to label people as acting like fools if I were in your shoes. The kooky people like me have time on our side. The facts come out, sooner or later and this too will run it's course eventually.
I hope you can at least claim to be following orders even though it's still a poor excuse just as it always has been.
Originally posted by ecoparity
I wanted to address this one separately so please forgive the double post.
Does NASA make a habit of hiring shipping clerks with Bachelor's degrees in Engineering and PHDs from a seminary, especially if it's a fake PHD and then allow them to work the simulators? He worked there a long time for someone pimping a fake PHD. I'm just completely amazed at the hiring practices there. Wow.
Originally posted by zorgon
Originally posted by JimOberg Saved a set of unique moon pix at his alma mater? Nope, they lost track of them decades ago and didn't notice.
Now Jim... how could his alma mater have lost track of them if he never gave them the pics?