Incredibly stupid and devastative sex laws

The wendy Whitaker case

This is an example of what happens when Christian sex-phobic attitudes and warped laws lead to the type of bizarre sentences that are way too common stateside. Georgia is a state that has laws on the books that make aspects of Islamic sharia seem kinda civilized. Believe it or not, oral sex between married partners was criminalized in Georgia until 1998.

Poor Wendy !

How stupid is it possible to be !
Her life has been devastated by medieval laws.

reply to post by orkson


Talk about backwards, this is just ridiculous absolutely RIDICULOUS.

Just wait till you see what they have planned for the future once the religionists take over when the government collapses.

Stuff like this just makes your stomach turn. To think that these backwards perverts could have such sway as to turn ordinary humans doing ordinary human things (engaging in sex) into felony sex criminals.

Such injustice and abuse of power just rots my sox.

The law against sodomy was not a new or recent law, It had been on the books since 1816 a very different time than the present. The Georgia Law was struck down by the Georgia Supreme court, 20 other states have simalar laws on the books probably very old laws that have been on the books forever. These laws were rarely if ever enforced and mainly used in rape and solicitation cases. While I would agree that Ms Whitaker shouldnt be classed as a sex offender, she did technically violate the law by having sex with someone under the age of consent which is 16 years of age in Georgia. That being said half the highschool students in Georgia probably violated the same law at some point. My main point is that this law isnt some recent thing that the "evil christians" put on the books it had been around for 182 years.

[edit on 9/14/2009 by DarkStormCrow]

Originally posted by Zenlike
reply to post by orkson

 

Talk about backwards, this is just ridiculous absolutely RIDICULOUS.

this is the way of the south, go live there, and you'll see how normal this type of thinking is.

par for the course... 2nd line

[edit on 14-9-2009 by jimmyx]

Originally posted by DarkStormCrow
The law against sodomy was not a new or recent law, It had been on the books since 1816 a very different time than the present. The Georgia Law was struck down by the Georgia Supreme court, 20 other states have simalar laws on the books probably very old laws that have been on the books forever. These laws were rarely if ever enforced and mainly used in rape and solicitation cases. While I would agree that Ms Whitaker shouldnt be classed as a sex offender, she did technically violate the law by having sex with someone under the age of consent which is 16 years of age in Georgia. That being said half the highschool students in Georgia probably violated the same law at some point. My main point is that this law isnt some recent thing that the "evil christians" put on the books it had been around for 182 years.

[edit on 9/14/2009 by DarkStormCrow]

yup, and if ole' abe didn't free the slaves, black people would still be classified as property under the southern states laws

[edit on 14-9-2009 by jimmyx]

I remember hearing about this when it happened...both cases. This is absolutely insane! Its consensual for heavens sake! I cant believe any judge would condone this sentence. You KNOW they are guilty of the same thing! I mean come on?! Oral sex=jail time?! Well then lock me up cause I broke the law

In the article it says she might go bankrupt because she is labeled a sex offender. WHAT! I mean she was under 18 and so was he! She is not a sex offender! This is just I can only imagine how her life is right now. Oh and the other case....so they get off but the other one doesnt...I wont go there but I have my opinions and I dont want to start a debate here.

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Yeah.. Christians have been passing so very odd laws for a long time... take for instance this

An excerpt from brilliant Kentucky state legislation. "No female shall appear in a bathing suit on any highway within this state unless she be escorted by at least two officers or unless she be armed with a club".

The following important amendment however is to be considered here: "The provisions of this statute shall not apply to females weighing less than 90 pounds nor exceeding 200 pounds, nor shall it apply to male horses."

reply to post by jimmyx


All states had similar sodomy laws at on time or another, and all of those old laws were struck down in 2003 by the US Supreme court. These laws were not exclusive to the south they were in places such as Conneticutt, Michigan and Puerto Rico even after Georgia had struck therir law down.

Dont even bring slavery into this discussion slavery was legal within the whole United States and when individual Northern States outlawed slavery they didnt free their slaves the sent them south and sold them to southern plantations. The Northern States have no high moral ground on slavery as most of the ships bringing slaves into this country came from the Northern states.

I love how half the posts are labeling the south as backwards.. slave traders... all the such. I've lived here my whole life and it doesn't seem to be backwards to me. The only thing backwards I see is enforcing a law that I am pretty sure 85% if not more of the population as broken. It's a personal choice... some people like that type of thing, others don't. I personally don't but I wouldn't sentence anyone to jailtime over that. Off the topic again... quit bashing the south just because you've never had a good experience here or you're just one of those biased people that believes everything you're told from gradeschool. I've had bad experiences up north and I can tell you personally I believe people in the south are much more hospitable and the food is .... way much better

Quite bizarre.

The same word "sodomy" applies for any sexual behaviour which couldn't result in procreation. Aren't there a lot of them, other than "sodomy" ?

In Wendy's case, it was NOT sodomy, but a fellatio between young friends.

This whole thing is just insane.

Law should NEVER enter one's couch, unless the abuse cases (rape, pedophiles, incests)

By the way, I don't think that Wendy's friend beeing just under 16 makes Wendy a pedophile ...
Or ? ...

The original and complete history is here

Other countries now seem to be following America’s lead. Hottest on its heels is Britain, where the sex-offenders’ registry includes children as young as 11. The British list is not open to the public, but in some areas parents may ask for a check on anyone who has unsupervised access to their child. France, too, now has a closed national directory of sex-offenders, as does Austria, which brought in some American-style movement restrictions on sex offenders earlier this year. After the disappearance in Portugal in 2007 of Madeleine McCann, a British toddler, some European politicians have called for a pan-European registry. Human Rights Watch urges America to scale back its sex-offender registries. Those convicted of minor, non-violent offences should not be required to register, says Ms Tofte. Nor should juveniles. Sex offenders should be individually assessed, and only those judged likely to rape someone or abuse a child should be registered. Such decisions should be regularly reviewed and offenders who are rehabilitated (or who grow too old to reoffend) should be removed from the registry. The information on sex-offender registries should be held by the police, not published online, says Ms Tofte, and released “on a need-to-know basis”. Blanket bans on all sex offenders living and working in certain areas should be abolished. Instead, it makes sense for the most dangerous offenders sometimes to face tailored restrictions as a condition of parole.

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In the State of Georgia the age of consent is 16 years, which means someone under the Age of 16 cannot consent to sex which technically would make it Statutory Rape. I think there is more to this case than just oral sex in some way this sex had to come to the attention of the authorities there had to be an informant or parents involved which would give the State no choice but to press charges if the parents demanded it.

In the second case mentioned it started of with a rape accusation and then films and pictres of the acts were discovered and with one of the participants being under the age of 16 she couldnt not legally consent to sex. There is usually more to the story than just archiac out of date laws.

Reading the second link you posted it appears that Ms Whitaker is pretty much stupid, oral sex in a High School classroom while the class is watching a video. Thats a public sex act and pretty much illegal everyplace in the US.

reply to post by DarkStormCrow


Please, weight the facts, and don't forget how "stupid" young boys and young girls may be ... (weren't you one of them, once ?)
Also, if stupidity is punished so severely, how will you punish real criminals ?

ONE day in 1996 the lights went off in a classroom in Georgia so that the students could watch a video. Wendy Whitaker, a 17-year-old pupil at the time, was sitting near the back. The boy next to her suggested that, since it was dark, she could perform oral sex on him without anyone noticing. She obliged. And that single teenage fumble wrecked her life. Her classmate was three weeks shy of his 16th birthday. That made Ms Whitaker a criminal. She was arrested and charged with sodomy, which in Georgia can refer to oral sex. She met her court-appointed lawyer five minutes before the hearing. He told her to plead guilty. She did not really understand what was going on, so she did as she was told. She was sentenced to five years on probation. Not being the most organised of people, she failed to meet all the conditions, such as checking in regularly with her probation officer. For a series of technical violations, she was incarcerated for more than a year, in the county jail, the state women’s prison and a boot camp. “I was in there with people who killed people. It’s crazy,” she says. She finished her probation in 2002. But her ordeal continues. Georgia puts sex offenders on a public registry. Ms Whitaker’s name, photograph and address are easily accessible online, along with the information that she was convicted of “sodomy”. The website does not explain what she actually did. But since it describes itself as a list of people who have “been convicted of a criminal offence against a victim who is a minor or any dangerous sexual offence”, it makes it sound as if she did something terrible to a helpless child. She sees people whispering, and parents pulling their children indoors when she walks by.

She was originally given probation and she didnt check in with her probation officer, so the converted her time to prison time, if she had followed the guidelines and did her probation properly her record would have most likely been expunged and she wouldnt be on the sex offender list.

She is a mess of her own making first the public sex act, and then failing to fullfill her probation obligations.

Could be worse...
The shock of Atefeh’s execution has gone far beyond this town. Even in a country that has the highest number of executions in the world and routinely executes minors, Iranians across the nation have been bewildered by accounts of the hanging of a 16-year-old girl. The fact that the religious judge himself put the rope around her neck and the letters of “congratulations” from the town’s governor to the judge, commending him for his “firm approach” have only added to the torment and pain many say they have felt.
www.iranfocus.com...

reply to post by orkson



Allah Awkbar....

I mean God Bles Amerika!

Indiana had a similar law, I'll have to find it, I just remember from having grown up there and finding it extremely amusing. As I understand it, the rational for it was that oral is/was (since I'm not certain of the status of the law) considered an act of sodomy.

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Huh, this article claims it is still illegal. Not going to give away my age, but I do remember in high school, people getting caught in this act but I do not recall anyone ever being arrested for it. The cops just laughed and told them to go home.