An FYI on illegals "not" paying taxes...

reply to post by nunya13


I take you have never been to a 7-11 in Northern Virginia early in the morning when the landscaping crews are buying supplies for the day?

As I stated, it costs the state of Virginia $8500/student/year to educate a child in N. Va. Virginia sales tax is 5%, 2% for food. For 1 illegal who has 1 child to not cost the state any money, he would have to buy over $400000 worth of goods and food per year. That's just for 1 child. In my area, the illegals are renters, because no one is going to give a jumbo mortgage to someone who is illegal. Many live 10-15 to a house.

Your lawyer friend sounds like the type who would work for an outfit like ACORN.

reply to post by nunya13


You seem to forget that the MAJORITY of illegals DO NOT USE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS and therefore do not pay into social security.

And again, your argument is akin to me saying:

Well, I have to steal a car since I can not legally buy one. BUT -- I pay taxes and fees when I register it using all faked information -- therefore, the gov't got their due and I am not a thief. In fact, since I willingly paid those fees, i should be rewarded and given the car outright. Whew, was almost a crook but redeemed myself.

Bottom line: I don't care if illegals donate their entire paycheck to charity. If they used FRADULENT INFORMATION to obtain said paycheck, donating money (or paying taxes) does not make it OK.

You are trying to erase an illegal act with acts of "good". Can you imagine if everyone operated under those rules?

reply to post by lpowell0627


There is the "RUB"

I don't think its OK to break laws,
what I'm saying is the current system ENCOURAGES the behavior its actually rigged to work better .... don't you get it????

the whole process is FLAWED and rigged to work ars backwards ....... Geeez.

you said it I didn't, but I agree "The entire country is made up of crooks that break laws constantly" you watch the news lately?? the funny part is the BIGEST LAW breakers are the ones making the laws in the first place, and you want to stop the bus because of people that want to work hard to feed there family?

A debate about you being a shining citizen who hasn't broken laws and pays his 100 percent, well for me to say your a liar ... Ahhhhh I wouldn't dare, I think you should run for office.

1.3 seconds gives me all kinds of links to the LAW ABIDING POLITICIANS....

reply to post by svpwizard
I enjoy many of the current movies, including 'Above the Law'. But it is only Hollywood. There is a gang of lawless thugs who are also known as; politicians, lawyers, judges, bureaurats, law 'enforcement' officers, and bankers. They ARE above the law. OCCASIONALLY, one of them gets out of line, and they are sacrificed to perpetuate the deception that the rest are in fact good and upright, law abiding citizens. All a bunch of bull. A piece of insight that comes over time.

reply to post by stevegmu

the expense of educating their anchor-babies,

Simple yes or no question.

Are these anchor babies Americans or not?

reply to post by jam321


Technically, yes, but the 14th Amendment needs to be modified. Ever take a Metro bus in Northern Virginia? There's a reason nearly every Hispanic woman on the bus is either pregnant, or has a couple little children in tow.

Originally posted by stevegmu
He should be charged with tax fraud, then deported. If he is illegal, how did he file a return? He clearly wasn't working for a chain restaurant, because even McDonald's won't hire illegals. The franchisee has too much to lose if they get caught.
Is this immigration lawyer employed by ACORN?

Mc Donalds does not KNOWINGLY hire illegals.

They do however hire ppl with fake IDs passing themselves
off as legal.

Glut of freely available false IDs, like pretext for Natl IDs

Ppl in mexico and in the US have been doing a booming business
of making fake documents for illegals to enter the US.

Here in Oklahoma City of all places we have "La Raza" insurance,
and "La Raza" motors, etc etc.

For those who don't know La Raza = "The Race"

Not good.

Good Luck to you all !

reply to post by stevegmu

Ever take a Metro bus in Northern Virginia? There's a reason nearly every Hispanic woman on the bus is either pregnant, or has a couple little children in tow.

Can't say I have. Have you ever thought that the reason might be because Hispanics believe in larger families and many don't believe in contraceptives due to religion.

Anyways, I don't wish to detail this thread and the op has indicated he wants to keep it on the paying taxes issues.

Appreciate your response.

reply to post by Ex_MislTech


That's why we need a national ID card.

Originally posted by Gregarious
reply to post by lpowell0627

 

...and let's not forget, that when they use YOUR social security number, YOU get credited for their work, on YOUR benefits. Hey, maybe I should rent out my number!

Some problems with that.

Because they make less, you may get less when it is time to
get your SSI, or conversely if the income shows up as unclaimed
you could get audited because you didn't pay taxes on it in some
goobered up mix up.



[edit on 15-9-2009 by Ex_MislTech]

Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to post by Ex_MislTech

 

That's why we need a national ID card.

Oh buddy...

Your national ID is on the way.

The Vchip - REAL ID( Now PASS ID act) - NAU

Pass ID act

Ppl have no idea what is going on behind the curtain.



[edit on 15-9-2009 by Ex_MislTech]

reply to post by svpwizard


I couldn't agree with you more. The system is broken. Government is riddled with crooks. The United States has lost sight of our founding principles.

BUT....

Not one word in the above justifies rewarding illegal immigrants that use fradulent information in order to obtain employment.

The answer to this thread is that immigration laws are broken and need to be fixed. The answer is NOT to just turn a blind eye to the illegals that ARE breaking the law and claim it's justified because they are left "without a choice."

Also, the arguments revolved around illegals needing/deserving a better life than what they left, is just ridiculous in my opinion.

1. That same statement would pertain to every single other person living in the country they left. Do you really think that we should take in every single person living in North Korea simply because they deserve a better life?

2. What about all of the poverty stricken areas in the U.S.? What about New Orleans? Detroit? Drug crimes spreading throughout Arizona? Don't THOSE AMERICANS deserve a better way of life? We can not / should not be assisting anyone until every single citizen of THIS country has their most basic needs met.

Can you imagine what would happen if we allowed everyone to simply ignore the laws in this country that are broken or simply don't work?

reply to post by spaniar


How sweet of you to post the educated opinion of Mr.Navarette!

Not to mention that he is a traitor to the United States and puts Mexico first in his vile attempts of public deception. If he likes Mexico so much, maybe he should just move there.

Originally posted by svpwizard
the whole process is FLAWED and rigged to work ars backwards ....... Geeez.

I quite agree with that! We must start correcting these many flaws. One of those flaws in need of correction is that we don't deport illegal immigrants on large enough scale (regardless of a few folks who attempted to pay taxes etc).

Originally posted by svpwizard
reply to post by lpowell0627

 

A debate about you being a shining citizen who hasn't broken laws and pays his 100 percent, well for me to say your a liar ... Ahhhhh I wouldn't dare, I think you should run for office.

Are you serious? Do you really think it's impossible to live in this country and not break laws? OK....you've caught me....I am a jay-walker! Seriously though -- give me a break. The majority of people in this country are law-abiding citizens.

You act like me saying: "We should not assist criminals in breaking the law" is somehow angelic, mysterious, and impossible. It's really not a difficult concept.

Repeat after me: I will not further support and /or assist (financially or otherwise) those that have broken laws at the expense of others to simply help themselves to what they feel they are entitled to.....

something else to consider for the whats its worth category, the road to legalization is FAR from simple and extremely expensive

From experience I know this to be true. And that, I'm afraid, is the point. The legal way is prohibitivley expensive because they don't want poor Mexicans or downtrodden Guatamalens, they want rich Canadians and established Irish.


The whole debate isn't about immigration per say. It is about the the type of immigrant you want. The type who can afford to hire a lawyer and pay out thousands in fees.

I was an illegal immigrant for 25 years. I paid taxes from the the first job ( Burger King, a national chain) to the last job( a major logistics provider ). Welfare? hell no, illegal immigrants live in FEAR of being caught and deported the last thing we need is to be on the radar by receiving any types of social benefits.

Additionlly I paid SALESTAX. You know, when I bought stuff. Because despite my illegal status I still needed a new sofa or wanted a new outfit ocassionally. And guess what they all happily took the money I earned illegally.

After 25 years the situation became such that I was on the the radar ( After 9/11 ) due to circumstances out my control. 25K and 18 months the lawyer told me would probably get my status upgraded. In the meantime I couldn't continue working of course, and my employer would probably get into big trouble after having employed me for over 10 years without ever really checking carefully my info. In the end I decided it wasn't worth it for me. Today I pay my taxes to another state and they happily accept my hard earned funds, and I'm not even a citizen of that country!

In the meantime my anchorbaby brothers have grown up to be productive tax payers, members of the armed forces and proud Americans. Damn proud of them I am, but were it up to some of you they would have been deported.

In anycase, I can also attest to the fact that illegals pay taxes, income tax, sales tax, car tax, property tax, you name it we've paid it, because despite right wing media's best attemtps to demonize us the vast majority of us are not crazed rapists and killers on welfare.

Originally posted by stevegmu
reply to post by nunya13

 

I take you have never been to a 7-11 in Northern Virginia early in the morning when the landscaping crews are buying supplies for the day?

As I stated, it costs the state of Virginia $8500/student/year to educate a child in N. Va. Virginia sales tax is 5%, 2% for food. For 1 illegal who has 1 child to not cost the state any money, he would have to buy over $400000 worth of goods and food per year. That's just for 1 child. In my area, the illegals are renters, because no one is going to give a jumbo mortgage to someone who is illegal. Many live 10-15 to a house.

Your lawyer friend sounds like the type who would work for an outfit like ACORN.

Give me a break! Because you see them buying burritos and gloves that means they don't spend money on anything else?

Who cares if they rent or not. I rent. Many people do.

Again, your assuming that none of them pay any taxes. And for the one's who don't, like I said before, there are just as many American's not working and living off the state or are exempt from taxes because they don't make enough or get it all back who send their kids to school.

Besides, what about all the people who pay taxes and don't have any kids that go to school? I would imagine this would offset the costs.

Not that I have a problem with my taxes going to educate other people's kids. It benefits society.

And like another poster stated, their kids are most likely American born so they deserve to go to school.

reply to post by lpowell0627


Yeah, not all of them use an SS# to pay taxes, but there's aslo a lot of American's who have social security numbers but don't pay taxes because they don't make enough, have a lot of kids, i.e. alot of exemptions/dependents/tax credits, or work under the table.

You can't compare stealing a car to stealing an SS# or coming into the country illegally.

Immigration is a victimless crime. Stealing a car is not.

reply to post by jam321


I'm a she (understandable mistake). And good point, who cares how many kids they have? American families have just as many kids too. Moot point.