What are they doing to our kids?

I am writing because of the public school system. My kids, I have three from 4-10 years old are in school 5 days a week 7 hours a day. They are in public school and I swear its like a little boot camp. My fifth grader gets one 25 minute recess and and 30 minute lunch where she has to sit with her class. Out of her 30 minute lunch she is allowed to talk maybe 10 minutes, if she gets up during lunch, she gets in trouble. My kindergardner & pre ker gets a 30 minute recess and a 30 minute lunch and during their lunch they can only talk for 10 minutes. I bet the teachers and staff don't have to be quiet for 20 minutes out of their lunch! They have to line up and walk down the halls on one side with no talking. What is up with that? When I was a kid and it wasnt that long ago, we got 2 recesss one in the morning and one after lunch and I know they were longer than 30 minutes, we got to sit by whoever we wanted and got to play for a long time. We didn't have to stay on one side of the hallway or be quiet in the morning on our way to class. We got to hang out and play until the bell rang at 8:30 my kids have to be in class starting work already before the bell rings. How are the schools everywhere else and why can't our kids be kids?

[edit on 9/12/2009 by concerned190]

Our children are not allowed to be children anymore because they are being trained to be "good citizens".

When children have freedom of thought and action, they develop individuality. That is not what our current world order wish of the people. They want all to be of the same thought in total agreement, with no divisions. Obedient to the rules.

And think about it, who is the easiest to mold? The world full of adults with their individuality firmly in place, or the children who have fairly clean slates as far as the world is concerned.

They are being taught that you do what you are told. You don't question authority. You report on any actions you think break the rules. You are not allowed to voice opinions other that what is taught in the "respect and protect" criteria approved by the school boards.

They are being prepared for the world of the future as those in charge want it to be.

reply to post by BearTruth


ughhhhhhh.... so sad, my kids can be kids and still be good people, they don't need to schools to form them into little robotic soilders. I talk to them about all kinds of things and they are very individual creative children and they will grow up to think for themselves and form thier own opinion no matter how hard the school tries to mold them the other way.

woah duuude where do you live, in the future movie with silvester stallone?
i have never heard of schools like this,shoking to say the least

It was like this for me in the early 90's. It's been going on for quite a while now, not everywhere but in some places. I thought it was normal.

I like self discipline and all... but only if there's a good reason for it. Such as mental focus, stamina training. not this 1984, silently creating potential suicide bomber/shooter/ mentally repressed wants out children who figure out that life sucks in this world.

Dont forget no touching policies now. You cant hug your friend even if your in kindergarten. I remember in high school hanging out in the hallway, everyone kissing their girlfriend etc.

What do you mean schools?

Our children go to prisons, where they are treated as if they are in a police state. As if, heck, they ARE in a police state when the school expects you to let them steal your child's dna for use in god knows what kind of government database, all under the pretense of drug testing(another gestapo technique to ruin our youth!)!

Our public schools are nothing but government brainwashing centers for children.

And if you live in a big city like I do, good luck finding a safe public school. My poor kid was MUGGED in school here, and the faculty and board did squat. I had to remind them they take federal dollars under the Safe Schools act, and thus they MUST provide my child a safe school. When asked point blank which school this was, they replied there was no answer for that. I then asked where the money from the federal grant is applied, again, the board members were clueless.

Our education system is a disgusting thing in the states.

And college? Just a racket to make sure the government has as many debt slaves as possible through student loans.

It is pathetic, and I have no earthly idea what the solution is, do you? (you in general).

You should look up some quotes by the first secretary of education, he said some pretty creepy stuff about 'creating a class' of workers through public education that I think will not only blow your mind but explain alot of your well deserved concerns. I think this is alot of people's first peek at the rabbit hole and I hope it leads them further into understanding this 'society' they've created for us to support them.

Do some research, and send them to an appropriate private school.

Sounds like a bad teacher.

Though we had to be quiet in the hallways because it keeps you from disturbing other classes.

That has always been the rule.

I have a grandson who is in second grade. Sometimes I surprise him and show up to eat lunch with him. If I am early I go sit in class with him. When it's time to go to lunch, yes, they line up in an orderly manner. They are not allowed to go running and screaming down the hall. Well, good. There are other classes in session, no need to distrupt them, eh? In the lunch room kids can sit at any table they choose. They can talk, hell, they get a bit rowdy and loud. When papaw, that is me, shows up for lunch, Zak and I and his choice of two friends sit at a special table reserved for visitors. The kids love it. And I bring extra food so they all don't have to eat the crappy school lunch. lol. One day, after the lunchroom monitor called out for Miss Kilby's class to line up and return to class, one of the boys sitting with us jumped up on his chair and proclaimed. "All hail Zak! The lunchroom king and his papaw!" lol. And then they lined up and went back to class. I don't see anything wrong with this schools system. OP, I am so glad my grandkid doesn't go to the school your kids go to. My grandkid has a school in which freedom of expression is valued, and laughing and talking is promoted, in the right place, of course. Not in the hallway when others are trying to learn. I would have enjoyed this school when I was a child. I was in Zak's grade in the late 1950's. And we had to remain silent during lunch. And the principal would walk around and make us eat everything on our plate. One day she demanded I eat all my spinach. And I took a bite, pretended to puke it out on her shoe, heh, and what I got was a severe beating from her. My kids, and now my grandkids, had and have a much freer situation to experience in education than I had.

[edit on 12-9-2009 by kyred]

reply to post by stevegmu

What condescending advice.

Private schools here cost more than I earn each year. Does that mean mine and other poor kids deserve anything less than safe, adequate education?

Not only that, what flawed advice. I pay plenty of taxes, have for years. The government also mandates I send my child to school or be punished for it. By gosh, I expect a decent education in return and a SAFE school, one in which my child's safety and body fluids are protected. The schools we parents pay for with our taxes should meet these minimum standards.

For many many many Americans, private schools are places for other peoples kids. Most of us in my income bracket are realists, we realize private school is not always(usually never) an option.

There should not even be a need for private schools. Private schools should not be better than public schools, all schools should provide the same top notch education, and all schools should provide text books as well.

reply to post by concerned190


I started school in '94 and left in '08 and this is the norm all over the nation i'm sure. I live in Alabama and it sound virtually identical over here.

Eh, myself? I can't say it was a big deal, I was a kid and did as told and there was no fuss, I can't say the same for some of the rowdy kids. But seriously this doesn't sound like a big deal to me, Maybe that's because i've been through it and used to it?

[edit on 9/12/2009 by Uniceft17]

You know its funny because our education system compared to the rest of the world is nothing...Yet we treat it like its the holy grail of the world. Our kids our tested to death..Far more so than before. Blame the school boards- and of course- the principal for following their obscene rules. Elementary school should focus on development...not advancement. Development should be done via hands-on activities which means kids should have more time to be kids. Our education system is so black and white and by the book that theres just "no time" (what I used to hear all the time) for other activities.

I have never been impressed with an education in this country yet its hilarious how so many people emphasize getting one considering how low we are compared to the rest of the developed nations test scores. We ought to stop bailing out companies and wall street and start putting billions into education, rather than a companies infrastructure. There's nothing I've learned in school that I couldn't have been taught in home school or wherever in a shorter amount of time.

Not only that...but a lot of kids dislike school and the whole experience. There's a lot of pressure for the average student as well (a lot more than there was previously). We are testing our kids to death and essentially forcing them into a prison for 7 hours a day. I disagree with our whole education system immensely.

reply to post by hotbakedtater


Petition your state representatives to start a school voucher program. Not all private schools are expensive. No one who cares about their children in DC sends them to the public schools. Some cost as little as $4000/year. Surely there are affordable private schools in your area, which is why I said to do a little research.

I remember hearing once that in the invasion of Iraq the Americans bombed schools throughout the country saying there was no infrastructure or monetary gain from having schools open for children who couldn't read or write.
What they failed to say was that only 10% of children in Iraq were illiterate, compared to the average of 40% in some American states. That spells it out right there, the American government/military didn't want kids to learn their own language or skills, they wanted them to be taught the "American" way.

btw if u look with different eyes, all these cute couples kissing theyr girlfriends is kinda depressing if your lonely right? so why should they parade around all the poor people without lovedones.
i cant say im againts people kissing in the school,but sometimes its kinda akward

reply to post by kyred


I understand the hallway situation, I can deal with that. My BIGGEST issue is the lack of freedom( the having to be in class & starting work BEFORE school even starts, the short short recess, & the lunch situatuion). When adults take a lunch break, they can sit whever they choose and talk to whomever they choose the whole break. Even the curriculum is tougher and faster, my kindergardner is learning stuff I didn't have to know til secons or third grade. All I'm saying is give the kids a break man, theyre kids!

I work in a public school. The entire system is created to produce productive workers, and to weed out any undesirables(outside the box thinkers, challengers of authority etc). There is not other way around it.

The truly scary trend is schools advocation of medication. If a child shows any types of "behavior issues"(usually the questioning of authority), they are immediately singled out, put into special ed (most schools have some variation of the department I work in, called the behavioral learning center).

Most of these kids have absolutely the worst homelives imaginable, from multiple abusive homes to being bounced around foster families to straight up abandonment, and the school's solution is to assign them to a district psychologist who works with THOUSANDS (literally) of students, who spends 15 or so minutes with them, and then suggests medication.

Just sad.