The Tea Party Conspiracy?

it was obvious to me it was hijacked when they offered to have sarah palin as thier leader or speaker or whatever... that to me said, ut, hijacking...

The reason in my opinion, the right wing wants you to support non intervention in corporation affairs by supporting individual ideals against government affairs. Right-wing groups backed by corporations, are against individual liberties. However, the enemy of my enemy is my friend and it suits their purpose for the mean time. They want to give the impression that they want government out of our lives, yet still want to control the world and maintain the status quo.

That being said I am all for capitalism, but there is something fundamentally wrong with the government/corporation/military relationship and the banking system that drives all of these components. We must return to a constitutional government because the issues have become so controlled and confusing to the public that proper debate cannot be had. If the government was only concerned with a limited role in providing the general welfare of it's citizens, and wasn't robbing the coffers of America with pet projects I would have no issue with the government making sure everyone had the basic necessities of sustaining life (ie food medical, and military protection). When the corruption gets involved those in power wish to expand the meaning of that power for the biggest benefit of themselves. The benefit needs to be returned to the people not the corporations.

This isn't about left vs. right, democrat vs. republican, socialist vs. conservative, this is about the people vs. corporate power and influence of our government.

reply to post by Uniceft17


Our money is worthless, I'm not denying that at all- in fact, I agree with you 100% that it is a serious issue that should be addressed. However, you cannot just fix the money problem without fixing those in charge of it and those who have the ability to tax it and take it from us. Even if the dollar is fixed- those in charge will just return it to the state it is in now.

Funny, the government has NO power over this illegal banking entity AT ALL the Federal Reserve has no checks and balances and really doesn't have to reveal any information it doesn't have to, it is not apart of the federal government and is owned privately. But let me guess, having a .gov extension makes it a government entity? Do you have anything else?

I believe people have been shouting "Audit the Fed" since this movement began. I would expect you to know that. My whole point through all of this nonsense was people are upset with the government in general...not over a single issue or entity- even if that entity (the fed) isn't included in the word "government"- its still run like a government program. All of these issues may not be getting coverage or attention but whose to say that people don't feel the same way that are protesting right now? Its a number of issues, not just one main reason to protest.

Agreeing to disagree.

reply to post by Uniceft17


This thread below which I created talks about how someone might push you.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You

Meaning here, how might the "Tea Party" movement have been pushed?

Were they infiltrated? I suspect so. By who? Agent Provocateurs.

Originally posted by AceOfAces

Our money is worthless, I'm not denying that at all- in fact, I agree with you 100% that it is a serious issue that should be addressed. However, you cannot just fix the money problem without fixing those in charge of it and those who have the ability to tax it and take it from us. Even if the dollar is fixed- those in charge will just return it to the state it is in now.

I don't know how to state this any clearer but our government is not in control of our money, it may appear that way, but they aren't, they are in control of spending, but not the money. The federal reserve is in charge of all the money, like it or not. The reason that this is a conspiracy is because that this key element has been taken out of the protests by someone for some reason.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


My jury is still out on Jones, and Ventura. I'm just not sure, and have had other friends raise the issue as well.

I am positive regarding the Glenn Beck affair being an agent provocateur.

The critical thing is to incite critical thinking skills, and comprehension amongst the masses.

reply to post by C0le


Very well spoken there C0le, I couldn't have said it better.

I've been saying the movement got hijacked and turned into a meme for a while now. As everyone's already stated, it's no longer about the big issues. It is interesting, however, the way they're spinning this; they're playing it off as a normal people vs. govt, and to an extent that's what it is, but the hints of RvL are so numerous and obvious they can't be denied.

These people have had a long long time to get good at this, it's the same thing they did in the French revolution. All part of the plan guys.

Oh but it does matter who's having the "tea parties" now. It matters a great deal.

The original idea of the tea parties done by the grass roots folks, was all about the constitution and freedom for everyone - Not just freedom for people to do as Christian republicans tell you.

You're free as long as you do as we say.
Your 're free as long as you don't want an abortion.
You're free as long as you let them teach your kids about God in school
You're free as long as...

There wouldn't even be a 912 tea party if McCain had been elected, the bailouts were ok as long as it's the Bush republicans doing it. The big spending and big government and war is GREAT as long as it's Bush and crew doing it.

It's not about freedom it's about republicans losing an election.

Star and flag!!!

reply to post by sanchoearlyjones


While you may still be out about Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura, I am not.

All I have to do is see someone, and I can spot them for who they really are.

They smell, reek, and look to be agent provocateurs to me.

It is like spotting your first undercover Law Enforcement Officer, you never forget it.

Their aura is what betrays them.

As far as the "Tea Party" movement, I thought it was a great idea, and for the right reasons, but I knew it was going to fail, not because of anything they did, but because of what they did not do.

There was a lack of organization, a lack of preparedness, and a lack of insight.

Nothing against them, those were not meant in the derogatory sense, it is just that grassroot movements need some structure, plenty of money after the initial start up, and as well, plenty of weedkiller (metaphorically).

Originally posted by TheCoffinman
it was obvious to me it was hijacked when they offered to have sarah palin as thier leader or speaker or whatever... that to me said, ut, hijacking...

Exactly, that's when it became blatantly obvious. I actually started a thread about it.

Thread

I'm not sure how I feel about this one. Hijacking seems like a pretty strong term and where an oppressive government is concerned, I'm not sure you really want a lot of traceable 'organization.'

I'm pretty sure that's why the bomb threat was called in at their offices yesterday...to try and find the head of the snake, or gauge participation and collect information.

Many of the banners I saw today spoke about the Fed, and the monetary situation.

It may not be what I would have envisioned as a 'real protest' but I think it was definitely a start. There were lots of family type looking folks there and no one was covering their faces with bandannas. Some of the people were on Segways, for Pete's sake. How can you be hurting if you're on a Segway?

The one in DC looked peaceful and well-attended. I think it was a success if the throngs weren't vilified, or beaten or imprisoned. I suppose the impact is had, or will have, is still to be seen.

Interesting thread. Thank you.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


SpartanKingLeonidas!

You're killing me. You're killing me.

I love Alex Jones. Can't we talk this over? What can I do to convince you that he's just an a-hole that happens to have a radio show instead of an agent provocateur?

The tea party thing... if it had not become a NeoCon-Obama-Hate-A-Thon and a real "take back our rights"-a-thon I'd be the first one out there.

But, sadly, it is just more of the partisan BS we've had to put up with for years. Keep us divided, make it all about money and not about rights. Make it about Health Care and forget about the Patriot Act and Department of Homeland Security. Make it about "us" and "them". Blame the poor because they're all lazy basterds.

Alex Jones and others, provocateur or not, have at least made it not about health care and made it more about the loss of freedom. For that, I am eternally grateful.

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reply to post by A Fortiori



Each to their own with their perceptions, and beliefs. We shouldn't let a few differences separate us; so that the Elite can do the same ole' same ole'; which is divide, and conquer.

I advocate to all simply use Your own Intuition, and reasoning skills. Don't let anyone else do the thinking for You.

Alex maybe, or maybe not; Glen Beck definitely is. Point is they both are in degrees waking People up. My only concern is that People start thinking for themselves. It is key, and the reason I say the Elite are playing with fire.

reply to post by A Fortiori


I cannot help what I see, and I will not be influenced to change my opinion.

I will not try to influence your opinion either.

I see Alex Jones and Jesse Ventura for who they are, agent provocateurs.

When you spot one you know when you see a second, a third, and a fourth.



The "Tea Party" movement never had a chance unfortunately, because they forgot the first rule of forming a "movement", always look out for outsiders who want in and who will be there for nefarious means and ends, the agent provocateurs.

Greece learned that lesson well when Xerses came to take over that small nation, the Persian King has sent spies, emissaries, and agent provocateurs to cause strife, mischief, and all around mayhem.

Leonidas, my namesake, saw this, and led Xerses into a trap at Thermopylae, knowing full well the goat path was there, using it as a means to show the Greek's through a metaphor of sorts that betrayal was usually from within the defense of the nation.

The republicans aren't in the majority anymore, so now they will be "heading back to their roots".

They are now going to vote against big government programs and things of that nature. Because they are in the minority, it won't matter or stop anything really. But it will give them enough support to "revive" the party, atleast enough to keep a 3rd party from getting serious.

So in the next election, they can say hey - I was against all that stuff etc. They did this back in the 90's too during Clinton, which lead to GWB - and the "not an insider" lie etc.

And the democrats did the exact same thing for the past 8 years, which is what lead to the obvious democrat win this year - everyone knew McCain had no chance being such a big backer of Bush. The democrats voted against things because they could. Even when they had the house after 06, notice how magically the same status quo keep going on? Magically enough votes would appear when needed, and they never accomplished anything.

So immediately, the GOP switches to it's roots. Go ahead and look at when Glenn Beck started speaking about things - after Ron Paul dropped out, and after he pretty much sold Ron Paul out overall. These things are not coincidental.

When you combine the government programs the left wants, with the government programs the right wants, then you get 100% communism. But each "side" sells itself not on the government it wants, but on the "freedoms" it wants to offer. Problem is - all they do is add programs and they never get rid of any of them.

2 "sides" to the same 1 party - communism. And they continue to fool people over and over election after election with this stuff.

What programs did Clinton get rid of? Talked about it, but did any really go away? No. He used them himself and added a bunch. Bush comes in - did he get rid of any? Nope, added a bunch. Obama comes in - did he undo anything? Nope, kept it all and expanded on it.

If they aren't exposing the fed and working to get rid of the fed hardcore, supporting a humble foreign policy and so forth - they are just a puppet or wolf in sheeps clothing.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


Nacho-Sancho...Spartan,

I was joking about the "trying to convince you" part since we all see so eye-to-eye on so many things.

Honestly, I know what I think and I also know that I don't follow anyone so blindly that I will walk off a cliff for them--well, unless their name is Jesus and they like to build houses in their spare time.

I think Alex is wrong on the environmental stuff, but I think he's right on in exposing these bungholios doing crazy stuff like dressing up in robes and worshiping owl effigies. Plus, he's funny and that goes a long way with me. Can't help it.

I love David Icke and think he's even closer to the truth, except for that whole shape-shifting reptile thing.

I am not a Jesse Ventura fan, so...

Glenn Beck is a neocon tool.

Zach de la Rocha is The Man, but unfortunately I'm pretty close to being a stalker when it comes to him so we won't go into that...

Ron Paul...love him, but (I hate to say this) too old to take on the NWO.

So that leaves all of us, unfortunately, so...which one of you lads is starting the movement?

*looks around*

reply to post by A Fortiori


Well, as for trying to convince me, I did not take that as serious.

Jesus, unfortunately, is not coming back for peace, he is coming back for war.

He will not be building houses nor healing the sick, he is coming with war and to make it on the houses of the rich, corrupt, and illicitly salacious evil, in other words, Capitol Hill had better watch out.

Starting a movement?

If I were to start one, and I'm not stating I am, it would be word of mouth.

And people can only join it if invited, no one gets in without direct invitation, and no one brings them in either.

I know how to keep agent provocateurs out, since I would be the only person to approve new members.

All agent provocateurs would be sent off on a wild goose chase.

Waste their time, money, and resources, and keep them chasing the nuts like rabid squirrels.

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reply to post by badmedia


Exactly, this movement has been turned into a right vs. left movement by the media and the government, instead of what it was intended to be an anti-establishment movement against globalisation, TPTB, and the Feds. They killed it when it started to become mainstream that our dollar isn't as safe as once thought.

The funny thing about it is that I didn't even start noticing it till months ago, but now it's so obvious that this has been going on since atleast last year.

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reply to post by Uniceft17


I quite agree. Progressives like Rage Against the Machine's de la Rocha and Morello were willing to be interviewed on Alex Jones because they have always been rogue, anti-Washington types that said for years that Gore and Bush were interchangeable. They have pushed against the NWO agenda.

Would they feel welcome at these new "tea parties"?

My answer is "no". A year ago, maybe, but not now. Now it is so "neocon" that it isn't bringing anyone together, it's just protesting the Democrats.

So to me...I could give two craps about them now.

I want Americans to come together, I want an American movement, not this partisan crap. Thank you, but no.

The Tea Parties today are organized by racist morons who have no idea how the government really functions. They just need something to complain about. Like always. Conservatives are quite laughable.