Rockets fired from lebanon into Israel

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A security official reported that the shells had hit the southern Lebanese village of Al-Qlaileh and ambulances had been sent to treat any wounded. Police in Jerusalem confirmed that two rockets had been fired into western Galilee, while residents reported hearing explosions. One of the rockets landed near the northern Israeli town of Nahariya, Israeli police said, while local television showed a telephone pole near a kibbutz not far from the border that was toppled by a rocket.

More now from CNN.

A number of rockets fell in open spaces in the Western Galilee region of northern Israel, an Israel Defense Forces spokesman said.

Israel retaliated by firing at least eight artillery shells near the southern Lebanese village of Qlayleh around 3 p.m. local time (8 a.m. ET), a Lebanese army official told CNN. Israeli forces returned fire toward the source of the rocket fire from Lebanon, the IDF spokesman said.

There are an estimated 30,000 rockets pointed at Israel from southern Lebanon — all under the control of Hezbollah militants.

CNN

[edit on 11-9-2009 by no1dea]

It's not about who has the biggest rockets.

It's about a correct military response.

And the correct military response is to discourage them from doing it again, not to get revenge. In order to do that you have to make them learn that firing rockets at your civilians (regardless of the size of the rocket) will hurt them more than it hurts you. That is how Israel has survived in the Middle East, even though it is surrounded on all sides by hundreds of millions of people that don't want them there.

Israel should use whatever weaponry it has at its disposal to discourage these murdering criminals from firing rockets at Israeli civilians, whilst taking appropriate care to avoid harming uninvolved civilians. Which is what Israel will do.

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by purehughness

 

For your information - Hizbollah uses 122mm BM-21 rockets, that are called Grad.

I did some searching to validate this claim. Not many sources on what kind of rockets were used. I did find the following, though:

The north of Israel has been hit by two rockets launched by Lebanon. The information available at the moment suggests that no one was injured nor was there any noticeable damage caused.

Police say the remainder of a Katyusha rocket was discovered in Israel.

(digitaljournal) Lebanon fire rockets at Israel

Violence only begets more violence, sorry to be the thread hippie, but it's true.

It just seems that neither side is ready or willing to enter into diplomatic talks (admittedly kind of hard when Hezbollah is a militia organisation), but something needs to be done to avoid more death and destruction!

Also, it still seems as if there's been no formal motive for the strikes, so what could have sparked this off?

reply to post by rogerstigers


Nice findings, the BBC is also saying that Katyushas are being used.

But let's not make that the main issue here.

Because it isn't....

War man.. Not cool.

reply to post by purehughness


I imagine it's two-fold:

- Make life unpleasant for Israelis living in range of their rockets
- Encourage a military response to make Israel look like aggressors and diminish Western support for Israel

It does seem remarkably effective, especially since so many people in the West tend to fall for it hook, line and sinker - every time.

I would say they understand our psychology a lot better than we understand theirs.

Some interesting reading on Hezbollah's manipulation of Western media can be found here: newsmax. Lots more of it about on the internet if you care to look.

reply to post by rogerstigers


Grad rocket is one type of Katyusha rockets. There is a whole family of Katyusha rockets and Grad is one of them. This is not hard to understand,really. Range of WW2 Katyusha (BM-13) is 5.5 km. Distance between Nahariya and Lebanon - little more then 10 kilometers.
Models of Katyusha rockets:

BM-13, BM-8, BM-31, BM-14, BM-21, BM-24, BM-25, BM-27, BM-30

BM-21 is Grad. It is what Hizbollah used for decades. Of course if it was BM-30 Katyusha
en.wikipedia.org...
article in some on-line site could still say that it was a Katyusha. Who cares that it was designed in 1980s, has range of hunred kms and carries 200kgs of payload. It still would be disproporsionate response, since it is Israel what matters. Not type of Katyusha.
Does not matter what Israel does, wright or wrong, it is disproportional response. Details are not important, right?

reply to post by purehughness


I agree about the violence begets violence thing, but that does not work when dealing with bullies, unless you want to get beaten up harder next time.

And to those that suggest that Mossad did this for whatever far-fetched reason, this is the fourth such attack this year which kind of makes a nonsense of that theory doesn't it?

Originally posted by purehughness
reply to post by mattpryor

 

Cool, fair point dude.

But what I was saying was, compared to the arms that the US supplies to Israel, it doesn't really compare, when the Katyusha was being used by the Russians in WW2.

Hence, disproportionate retaliation.

Disproportionate retaliation in whose eyes? If you throw a rock at me or my loved ones, i will shoot you(in the leg first)

reply to post by habfan1968


Thanks, that's what I was trying to get across but a bit more succinct

Originally posted by no1dea
More now from CNN.

There are an estimated 30,000 rockets pointed at Israel from southern Lebanon — all under the control of Hezbollah militants.

CNN

[edit on 11-9-2009 by no1dea]

Thats interesting CNN Says 30,000 Israel National News says 60,000 that double.
I think someone may be over exaggerating

Israeli intelligence and military officials have said that the terrorist organization has stockpiled at least 60,000 rockets, supplied by Iran and Syria, more than twice the number in its arsenal before the five-week war.

www.israelnationalnews.com...





I don't know why my font is like that?????



[edit on 11/9/2009 by wycky]

Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by rogerstigers

 

Grad rocket is one type of Katyusha rockets. There is a whole family of Katyusha rockets and Grad is one of them.

Thank you for clarifying that.

For the record, I personally don't care what Isreal does. That can wipe out civilizians by the hundreds or they can site in their corner and take a beating. It's all just a big shell game. Noone knows who really fired those rockets. Could have been Mossad, especially since they seem to have been targetting unpopulated areas. Course it could have been Hezbollah. Could have been US or Russia black ops. In the end it doesn't really matter. Someone will piss of Isreal enough, they will drop a nuke, and the whole region will go to hell. *shrug* Let's just get it over with so we can move on. Tired of the rediculous drama.

reply to post by wycky


Weird that.

And in your link, the Lebanese are debating those numbers anyway..

I guess no-one really knows what's going on at the moment, all we've got is that fire has been exchanged, and then a lot of speculation..

A real puzzler.

[edit on 11/9/2009 by purehughness]

Here is the latest from JPost:

Originally posted by wycky

Originally posted by no1dea
More now from CNN.

There are an estimated 30,000 rockets pointed at Israel from southern Lebanon — all under the control of Hezbollah militants.

CNN

[edit on 11-9-2009 by no1dea]

Thats interesting CNN Says 30,000 Israel National News says 60,000 that double.
I think someone may be over exaggerating

Israeli intelligence and military officials have said that the terrorist organization has stockpiled at least 60,000 rockets, supplied by Iran and Syria, more than twice the number in its arsenal before the five-week war.

www.israelnationalnews.com...





I don't know why my font is like that?????



[edit on 11/9/2009 by wycky]

Did you mean to say that CNN state 30,000 and Israel officials state 60,000?
That would make sense

Lol just saw your Edit

[edit on 11-9-2009 by no1dea]

Actually, could this incident have anything at all to do with this thread:

Israel Tests Secret Weapon

The thread mentions this being something of a warning to Iran, and Hezbollah supposedly have links to Iran (though not proven)...

Something tells me there's a connection?

reply to post by wycky


INN is just a privately owned , right wing news resource. It is not national news source. Name is decieving. It often exaggerates facts, however sometimes it shows news that are not in the mass media though. Little more reliable then Debka, in my opinion. But not much more.

Why doesn't Israel have any defense against rockets???
They have been attacked from Palestine and Lebanon quite a few times.
They spend hundreds of millions purchasing arms from the US, why no rocket defense ?

If Hezbollah can drop in a few small rockets imagine they attacked with something powerful and did some real damage?
or is that what Israel wants, an excuse to go to war?

reply to post by wycky


They've been developing something called the Iron Dome missile defence system, but don't know how that's going. It was supposed to be operational this year or next I believe.

Linky