More evidence backs the idea of Universe = Hologram

Ownification provided evidence to back up the claim that we are living in a hologram, which could be the product of either future human beings, or GOD(an unknown creator).

Suggestion: Read Ownification's article:
A Theory of all Theories - By Ownification

I did a little research based on this subject and came across a scientific theory Biocentrism which proclaims the following:

Biocentrism is a scientific theory that posits that life creates the universe rather than the other way around. In this view, current theories of the physical world do not work, and can never be made to work, until they fully account for life and consciousness.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now this even more supports the idea of us human living in Virtual Reality of a sort, or a hologram.

Now let us try to understand this:
Ownification suggested that maybe we are in this hologram because we have done crime in reality and being punished for it. He suggested that we are in hell and as long as we don't change we will continue being in hell, 'past lives' backs his point. But maybe just maybe, this body of ours is given so we can create the universe.

For example designers now have gloves that they wear which allows them to design easily, they are not fully inside the virtual reality but their hands certainly are.

Researchers at Engineered Fibre Structures (EFS), a University of Manchester subsidiary, have almost completed the development of a soft-fabric electronic glove that remotely controls PC-related devices via a Bluetooth connection.

Now, imagine what you could actually do with this cool glove. Just snap your finger towards the desired device and suddenly your iPod plays music, the PC switches off in no time and those wireless speakers pump up the volume. Or even better! Forget about that Wiimote and interact more naturally with your console.

news.softpedia.com...

This glove is already being used to design cars, the article was written in 2007 so it is out of date.

Many religious scriptures pose the idea that this life is a test, maybe this life is a test, every time we are reborn it is probably because we failed the test. And what would be the test? Look at our creation now, look at the high skylines across the world, they actually reach the clouds. That is the ability we have, the ability to create, to design. Everything in this universe can be used to 'create'. Maybe that is the test, the test is to see if we can create.

Now have a think, why do we have the ability to manipulate the universe. Maybe just maybe we are software engineers, but engineering the Universe. Needs more thinking and more thinking will be done in my parts. I will add my thoughts on this subject frequently in this thread.

Thanks for your time

oozy

[edit on 10-9-2009 by oozyism]

Originally posted by oozyism

Ownification suggested that maybe we are in this hologram because we have done crime in reality and being punished for it. He suggested that we are in hell and as long as we don't change we will continue being in hell, 'past lives' backs his point.

oozy

This is a fascinating subject---the possibility that we are living in a hologram.

However, "past lives" cannot back any point as it is an unproven.

Perhaps you should start at the point of asking why all of us do not have cognizant memories of past lives?

And why must past lives be 'remembered' through some type of mesmerism---suggested memories, hypnotism, etc.


It is curious that scriptures say we must die in order to attain "heaven".

Do we really exist out of this realm?

If we are holograms, that would be another "comforting" thought that this is not all there is.

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Thanks for the reply, the answer to your question is in the Suggestion box:

Suggestion: Read Ownification's article: A Theory of all Theories - By Ownification

Evidence which supports past lives:
Now I'll go there and get the required information for you to make it easy:

from using the techniques of a detective or investigative reporter to evaluate claims that a young child, often just beginning to talk, had spontaneously started to speak of the details of another life. In a fairly typical case, a boy in Beirut spoke of being a 25-year-old mechanic, thrown to his death from a speeding car on a beach road. According to multiple witnesses, the boy provided the name of the driver, the exact location of the crash, the names of the mechanic's sisters and parents and cousins, and the people he hunted with -- all of which turned out to match the life of a man who had died several years before the boy was born, and who had no apparent connection to the boy's family. (Tom Shroder, 2007)

www.washingtonpost.com...

Evidence which supports the idea of past lives, in the memory context:

Scientists recently used an experimental drug in animal testing that when delivered to the brain, could block the activity of a substance that the brain needs to retain information in such areas as emotional associations, spatial knowledge, or motor skills. If enhanced, the drug could potentially help ward off dementia and other memory problems. (Heather Tomko, 2009)

www.thetartan.org...


reply to post by Alethea

Perhaps you should start at the point of asking why all of us do not have cognizant memories of past lives?

And why must past lives be 'remembered' through some type of mesmerism---suggested memories, hypnotism, etc.

Well a test have to be fair right? If this test was to be fair then the people who failed it previously would have an advantage, which is not fair.

Why can we remember past lives? Is it a glitch? Is it cheating? Did we crack the program?

When you said create, all i could think then was, what if the test was to destroy? How to take the pride we have in building skyscrapers and other bull#, and make sacrifice, the body through fire, like those who gassed and lit themselves up. i find more beauty in that than some engineers. For transcending care about this life i think is the test. pain is an illusion, the illusion is feeling.

what if the illusion was that of being "here"

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Very interesting. But what Im wondering now is this : dont holograms require a projector ?

reply to post by oozyism


Dear oozyism

There is a slightly different suggestion by the Boffins and that this whole thing ie, the universe is created by a future race on beings in order to time travel.

We are all just zeros and ones nothing more. God doesn’t come into this suggestion.

I like this one we are all just in a very powerful computer at some point in the future. What in particular I like is that all would then be possible it is just a matter of manipulating the software.

I just love it but try suggesting that to a highly religious person and whach them hit the roof, it is fun.

reply to post by bluemooone2

Umm I didn't make the claim that the universe could be a hologram but Craig Hogan, a physicist at the Fermilab particle physics lab in Batavia did.

If this doesn't blow your socks off, then Hogan, who has just been appointed director of Fermilab's Center for Particle Astrophysics, has an even bigger shock in store: "If the GEO600 result is what I suspect it is, then we are all living in a giant cosmic hologram."

Thanks for your time

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Alot of thinking is needed and alot of information is required to find out what really is the test, creation VS destruction, another subject as a whole to discuss.

What you have brought up is very interesting due to the fact that bought creation and destruction is an important part of the universe which makes the whole situation even more complex. We can both create and destroy, I just realized that right now which shows how much more thinking is needed. Software Engineers both create and destroy, they have that choice. Creation and Destruction based on conditions can mean both good and bad. You can destroy for the good and destroy for the bad. You can create for the good and create for the bad.

Damn confusion

Thanks for your time

oozy

Originally posted by Alethea
This is a fascinating subject---the possibility that we are living in a hologram.

All the metaphysical fetishism that passes for deep thought around here is puzzling. Anything with the ring of sexy, hyperreality resound gets scarfed down like so many super happy value meals.

Be reality a hologram or not a hologram, so what? It isn't understanding, just formulation. I have a sneaking suspicion the true nature is far more profound, strange and inclusive.

reply to post by EnlightenUp

I have a sneaking suspicion the true nature is far more profound, strange and inclusive.

It goes to show you have a deep thought for it also, is that also puzzling? It is natural to think in this manner, it is natural to touch the uncharted territories. Humans are after all curious creatures.

Thanks for your time

oozy

Hypothetically, to create a hologram which we live in, created by future humans, would be illogical. The future humans would alter their past, eliminating themselves by eliminating their progress, unless they are attempting to accelerate that progress for their own future benefit.

For God to create a hologram is ok, since it serves His purpose: giving us a chance to have free will and experiences. However, why would He make us go through life after life. That would imply that He created life too short for man to gain sufficient experiences to reach enlightenment. An error by God?

Matter is made up of magnetically charged particles of infinitesimally small size. We may never detect them, hence we create string theory, etc. We are always looking for a logical reason, to our own futility. The detectors that are needed to see these small worlds have not been and likely will not be created by us. At some point in our discovery of smallness, we will end in a guess, a theory, or faith like our fathers before us.

Past lives are likely demonic possession.



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Originally posted by oozyism
It goes to show you have a deep thought for it also, is that also puzzling?

It is indeed puzzling beyond all puzzling and that's why I have frequent outbursts in an attempt to smash all extant trains of thought to bits. Darned temple money changers!




[edit on 9/10/2009 by EnlightenUp]

If we really were living in some kind of Underworld, or hell to punish us, we surely wouldnt have such creative powers as we do.
You dont give a prisoner the means to escape.
Thats why i cant really buy in to the "punishment" dimension.

But i like the notion that life s creating the universe and not the other way ´round.
Thats the kind of humor i love and I see it all the time in nature

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There's another story about a boy who recalls being a fighter pilot. That's very interesting too.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But how are we supposed to learn any lessons if we can't recall our past life's lessons? We're always starting over again. Even if we left our mark on the world, through forums such as this, we might come back as someone who doesn't agree with ourselves.

I don't completely reject the idea of past lives, but I can't think of any good reason for it.

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It is almost as if the other pilot who caught the eyes of the pilot being downed helped serve in the collective akasha consci to deliver memories to the reincarnated child. As boring as death is, i like to think this is all possible. Cause why put a little faith into the impossible, we've been lied to so long, why not?

reply to post by thaknobodi


What we need to realize is that nothing is impossible, when we accept that, we can do wondrous things. Scientists have the notion of impossibility which they should remove from their study books.

I believe nothing is impossible, even if proven otherwise. It is what you can prove not what you know that counts. There for if you have knowledge of something which you can't prove, it might as well not exist at all.

Since I cannot really prove it. I often think that everyone and everything is just in my own head and all this is just specifically designed for myself...

If i'm able to answer anyone of your questions and communicate with anyone willing to communicate with me, who am i really?

Even tho this universe is as complex as it is, the more I think i'm learning, the more I think I'm just being reminded because everything seems to make sense and I understand things easily....

I remember one dream I had where it seemed I had some extreme connection with everything. I was all powerful and all knowing. I experimented at first before I went to that level. After I already knew the result of anything I might do, I got very bored. Giving free will to man provided an unknown variable that made things more interesting. You could know millions of different paths but you just didn't know which one someone would definitely choose. I was still bored though so I dreamed I made myself human again and would only remember a dream and have no power or knowledge. I have to say that was a weird dream.

What if someone did understand the holographic nature of the universe, could they walk on water, calm stormy skies, alter the weather or do other things we might consider something only God could do? Maybe they could even heal the sick with a single touch. What if God was really an extremely advanced AI and this AI's sense of humour was us talking about the creation we are in?

Perhaps from God's point of view, we don't really have past lives or future lives but just different stages of development as we pop in and out of this reality. The rules are when we come back to this reality and get born into this world, we start over without remembering past lives. It would be really confusing if you remembered living several different lives and possibly as a different sex on occasion as a teenager or young adult. Deep down on a subconscious level, you could know what you're supposed to do or not do this time around.

What happens if you start sensing the world about you as a hologram and the world seems to start doing unusual things? You start to wonder what happens if you wake up out of this reality. What if God decides to end the program running now? Do we suddenly all wake up to a different reality or could we just be a complex group of electronic data to be stored, erased, or rerun at a later date? What if there was an AI monitoring us in this hologram and the AI thought it was funny to make things happen as we think of them? It could be an experiment to see if we go crazy. Maybe this is a living hell. Maybe it is just what we make of it. We may in fact be running the show if we were put here to entertain the creator.

Originally posted by oozyism
reply to post by thaknobodi

 

What we need to realize is that nothing is impossible, when we accept that, we can do wondrous things. Scientists have the notion of impossibility which they should remove from their study books.

I believe nothing is impossible, even if proven otherwise. It is what you can prove not what you know that counts. There for if you have knowledge of something which you can't prove, it might as well not exist at all.

Actually, YOU need to realize that some things ARE impossible.

I've used every ounce of brain power I possibly could for nearly an hour when I was 10 years old to teleport to an African savanna. It never happened.

I've also tried my absolute hardest to levitate. It's just not happening. I've done the same with trying to turn invisible.

reply to post by oozyism


The bio-centric universe theory is just pure rubbish. Reality is real regardless of human life's existence and no amount of arrogance can detract from that fact. A tree will still fall regardless of you being there to see it or hear it. The observer effect is one argument used for "man creates the universe", it's a complete and total misunderstanding of the effect. The observer effect has to do with the instruments doing the 'observing'. All of the experiments I have heard of in regards to this seemingly 'spooky' effect have naturalistic explanations behind it that are far from 'spooky'. It doesn't and never has described that man creates reality and it never will describe that because man does not create reality, we exist within the laws and boundaries of reality.

The holographic universe theory is a theory without evidence, I haven't seen any evidence that clearly shows such a type of universe at all. Point is, we don't live in the matrix. Besides, if past life remembrance were true, then for some reason I must be an alien from another planet. When I was younger and started to learn about sci-fi topics and sc-fi technologies I started having dreams that were so vivid I woke up not knowing where the hell I was. It felt like a memory, but not a human memory. My race live in a valley surrounded by mountains with a river running through it. We lived in pure white dome shaped structures with the governmental building being pyramid in shape. We had spaceships that traveled the universe and worked similar to the supposed 'tesla ufo', and this was before I found out about the thing. From what I remember, traveling across the universe required something similar to the heim theory, again years before I knew about this. Even the electric universe theory was a part of this 'memory', years before I knew about it. So either this is a real 'memory' or it is just a sci-fi born childs dream.