Alex Jones apologizes for "hoax"

TWO things that are overly evident from this article (ie. biggest moment of Alex's Life or similar):

1) The kind of hype it has managed to create. Take a look at the top headlines over the last 48 hours and you'll know (HOAX or not) it has received immense attention.

2) The crowd is very clearly divided. For or Against AJ. If he was testing the waters to see where and how he stands, i guess he knows.

PS: A small point 3) Isn't it time we stopped discussing this "HOAX/not a HOAX" argument and go back to he rest ??

Just my opinion though!

Originally posted by A Fortiori
reply to post by letmeDANz

 

I've posted something to my web portal at work, realized I made a mistake and when I tried to "roll-back" instead of just "edit" the system would hang on me. Alex is not a details guy when he finds those details annoying, I am certain he blustered through the explanation not having listened to his content manager's full explanation.

Then again...I personally think they forgot to add the disclaimer. I don't think it was purposeful, I think they forgot and all of this is because they are nervous about the FCC.

Agreed. We are after all Human. We are bound to trip over, make mistakes, etc. However, when we are covering the greatest story of our lives. i think we can be a wee-bit careful.. Don't ya think ???

Peace

reply to post by Beefcake


Dear lord beefcake, talk about completely missing the point ...

I belong to a conspiracy forum, heck I basically live here, and I am very interested in ALL aspects of the research of the events of 9/11 including AJ's. I personally do not get involved in the research but that doesn't mean I don't care or I'm not interested. As I have stated many times before I am indifferent to Mr. Jones or any other personality. I weigh facts and decide for myself, and not that it matters but no I do not believe the OS.

Now, speaking of facts, please answer the simple question with no more "it's not worth it" deflections ...

Do you understand that what you've been spamming all over ats, namely the reuters press release, was paid for by AJ and is NOT a news article?

A simple yes or no will do.

Originally posted by OzWeatherman
reply to post by Beefcake

 

You're starting to get off topic there

The thread isnt about 9/11 or who did or didnt do it, its about a fictional piece of work presented as fact by Alex Jones, who claims that it was the servers fault for him not telling anyone. SO has already proven that the reason given for this, by AJ....was in fact impossible. So now he's been caught out twice

It is very relevant. It points to motive for the aggressive criticism of Alex Jones.

You see if there is a person on tv who says his neighborhood is full of crime and we need to ban guns to save the neighborhood this is seen as a concerned citizen.

However if it turns out this man works for an anti gun organization and always has then his statement has an agenda.

If you don't like talking about 9/11 truth and or don't believe in it then you won't look favorably on AJ infact you will look negatively on him. So your opinion is biased.

I admit i like Alex i have said that all along i have admitted my bias but some in these threads say he has hurt the movement but then again turns out they don't even believe in the movement or that he betrayed them but they were never fans. It is disingenuous.

It is very important a litmus test if you will. Just my opinion on the matter i'm entitled.

Edit

Do you understand that what you've been spamming all over ats, namely the reuters press release, was paid for by AJ and is NOT a news article?

Oh come on i put it in 2 threads. You are very melodramatic schrodingers dog. That is not spamming.

[edit on 9-9-2009 by Beefcake]

[edit on 9-9-2009 by Beefcake]

Originally posted by mister.old.school

Originally posted by Beefcake
Reuters baby doesn't get much bigger than that. So your point exactly?

I would hope that someone who claims to be interested in the truth, and associating themselves with the "Truth Movement" would work harder at actually disseminating the truth.

The Reuters link you referred to, and your implications that Reuters is "covering" the story is either disingenuous, a purposeful lie, or you're simply lazily misinformed.

The link is a Press Release from Send2Press.com... see the footer:

More information:
www.prisonplanet.com...
*(PHOTO: www.Send2Press.com/mediaboom/09-0908-CSheen_72dpi.jpg)
*(Caption: Charlie Sheen. Credit: Alex Jones.)
This release was issued on behalf of the above organization by Send2Press(R),
a unit of Neotrope(R). www.Send2Press.com...
SOURCE The Alex Jones Show

Anyone with a few hundred dollars can create a press release and have it appear on Reuters and several dozen other news sources. But of course, a "truther" should know this... no?

*raises hand in the back*


What I am seeing up there^^^ ... does that mean that AJ or someone from infowars wrote the article, paid to have it released via send2press, and claimed that Rueters is covering it?

Not being facetious, I promise. I have never heard of such a service.

*slinks back to the sideline*

Originally posted by Beefcake
It is very relevant. It points to motive for the aggressive criticism of Alex Jones.

So you assume that people that do not believe in a conspiracy about 9/11 are attacking Aj over this? You're wrong, the issue is that he released something labelled as fact, when it was not true.....if this were about 9/11 it would be in the 9/11 forum...sheesh

If you don't like talking about 9/11 truth and or don't believe in it then you won't look favorably on AJ infact you will look negatively on him. So your opinion is biased.

I dont like talking about 9/11 because its not something that interests me. It happened, people died....thats all i give a damn about...not who killed them be it terrorists or otherwise. Point is that there is an entire forum for this, and it need not be brought up on this thread

It is very important a litmus test if you will. Just my opinion on the matter i'm entitled.

Yes, you are entitled as you keep pointing out. Nobody is questioning free speech.....you just keep steeping around people question and call them bias for not having the same point of view as you.

It seems unfair that only you seem to be allowed to have a viewpoint

Originally posted by Beefcake
You have disdain for Alex Jones who cares.

We should all care.

It wasn't a Hoax Alex corrected it himself 1hr 30 minutes later you are really jumping the shark calling this a really big deal and hurting the movement.

It was a lie... "hoax" is another way to call a lie.

The shallow excuse for exclusion of the disclaimer remains a lie.

The method by which the fairy-tale interview continues to be promoted is so highly underhanded as to be embarrassing to anyone concerned with these subjects.

Mr. Sheen has admitted their deception.


Defending this monstrous dishonesty is beyond contemptible.

Originally posted by IconoclasticTalamasca
What I am seeing up there^^^ ... does that mean that AJ or someone from infowars wrote the article, paid to have it released via send2press, and claimed that Rueters is covering it?

That is an accurate interpretation of the issues of the "press coverage" the "Jones Camp" is advocating.

More contemptible deception on top of lies and fairy-tale conversations.

Originally posted by letmeDANz
TWO things that are overly evident from this article (ie. biggest moment of Alex's Life or similar):

1) The kind of hype it has managed to create. Take a look at the top headlines over the last 48 hours and you'll know (HOAX or not) it has received immense attention.

2) The crowd is very clearly divided. For or Against AJ. If he was testing the waters to see where and how he stands, i guess he knows.

PS: A small point 3) Isn't it time we stopped discussing this "HOAX/not a HOAX" argument and go back to he rest ??

Just my opinion though!

Alex's narrow mindness always bothered me. For where he is standing now is pushing his stick further into the mud. He probably knew that it would piss a lot of people off. But he doesn't care. If he cared for what was going on with everything he discussed from the beginning of his career. I can guarantee with the amount of stress that has been built up in him now, would have brought him to a lot of sleepless nights, and would have developed quite the drug and alcohol addiction. I'm suprised he didn't even get shot or kidnapped by the CIA or FBI. But my question is.. Why is he doing this? Meh in the mean time I guess we'll eventually know. Anyway moving on.

Originally posted by Beefcake
It points to motive for the aggressive criticism of Alex Jones.

I hate to keep harping on this point, but I'm still eager to hear how you believe these series of lies and deception will help draw attention to a new investigation into the events of 9/11.

We have...
(1) Deception -- promoting a "really huge" event
(2) Lie -- the huge event is a fantasy conversation
(3) Caught in lie -- add disclaimer to the fantasy
(4) Lie -- make up a story about overloaded servers
(5) Lie -- claim the press is picking it up (their paid press release)
(6) Deception -- admit to deceiving with small disclaimer at bottom
(7) Deception -- promote "20 Minutes with the President" all over their sites

This is horrible. These despicable acts cast a heavy shadow on us all.

Originally posted by mister.old.school

This is horrible. These despicable acts cast a heavy shadow on us all.

I'm actually interested in your opinion on this element (and anyone else's too) ...

That was also my first reaction to the situation. But it now seems to me that this may in fact be for the best in the long run. Notwithstanding his more cult oriented followers, what Mr. Jones has done here is in fact reveal himself beyond doubt. Yes there is a short term price to pay for that, but surely him getting himself off this bus will benefit the quest for the truth in the long run.

Much like a cheating partner, yes the news hurts, but one would like to hear it as soon as possible an move on no?



[edit on 9 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]

i came to this incident late as i have been out of town recently.

So i am going to see this in black and white....

How can someone who by definition is seeking the truth, has based his career on seeking the truth, stomps around with a megaphone demanding the truth..

How can this person further his agenda with a massive massive lie.

Hypocrisy!!!

it was a Hoax (the tags should stay)
and i resent the u2u asking me to 'DIGG' him out of his self made hole.

hey but no press is bad press right?

Originally posted by Beefcake
I will also say that i think Alex gets the bigger guests than coast to coast does. Charlie Sheen, Jesse Ventura and Willie Nelson regularly. Ron Paul Regularly AJ even got a Rothschild on. the last celebrity i remember Coast to Coast getting was friggin Jenniffer Love Hewitt talking about the ghost whisperer. Sure Hewitt is good looking but seriously.

Yeah... And AJ had those idiots off The Hills on and ACTED LIKE IT WAS AWESOME! I thought it was like listening to highschool girls talk.

And C2C reguarly has Alex on. And Stephen Quayle. And David Icke. (Both of whom have also been on AJ). They've had Ron Paul reguarly.
But all the same, comparing Coast to AJ is like apples and oranges. They're two different of animals.

Originally posted by mister.old.school

Originally posted by IconoclasticTalamasca
What I am seeing up there^^^ ... does that mean that AJ or someone from infowars wrote the article, paid to have it released via send2press, and claimed that Rueters is covering it?

That is an accurate interpretation of the issues of the "press coverage" the "Jones Camp" is advocating.

More contemptible deception on top of lies and fairy-tale conversations.

I see.

No way around it. Lies.

Besides myself, who here caught the comments yesterday morning before the disclaimer was posted? People seemed genuinely excited. They were talking about how things are truly moving forward and how Sheen had Obama on the ropes. People were asking for the video or audio of the interview. At least a couple of comments I read expressed something very powerful...HOPE. Yet, the hope was FALSE. AJ did not clear up anything on the air or in the comments. He let everyone revel in it.

Forgive me, but you just don't f*ck around with Hope, no matter how small or inconsequential you think it may be in any given situation.

A lot of people died. Heaven forbid a loved one of a 9/11 victim were among the folks that were played. How the hell would that make someone feel??!! What would you say to them? "Oh, it was just a marketing move..uh, no..it was the server...yeah, that's it. The server". Screw that!

I have only been truly angry one time since joining. I now have to add another line to the tally. Forgive the un-lady like language, but Alex Jones is an unconscionable dick. He did no favors to the Movement.

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Notwithstanding his more cult oriented followers, what Mr. Jones has done here is in fact reveal himself beyond doubt. Yes there is a short term price to pay for that, but surely him getting himself off this bus will benefit the quest for the truth in the long run.

I'm not so sure. For better or worse, Mr. Jones has become the de-facto representative of the contemporary conspiracy culture. Instead of using that status to say, "look at those evil men over there," he exploited the status to say, "hey look at me!"

If we learn nothing else, we've learned that "mainstream media" prefers to simplify stories -- especially those that touch on controversial topics. The media marginalization of "birthers" is a prime example -- once a valid avenue of concern for conspiracists, now marginalized by the despicable actions of a few.

Much like a cheating partner, yes the news hurts, but one would like to hear it as soon as possible an move on no?

More like a dishonorable captain of an important ship. Yes, there are more ships in the fleet, yes many of us may not have liked that captain, but his downfall will cause damage we would rather avoid.

We deserved better. He should have known better.

reply to post by Beefcake


Beef Cake.

I very rarely do this.

But you ARE spamming threads with your blind ignorance and blathering patriotism to Alex Jones. You have accused truther and skeptic alike of believing the OS while dodging their questions directed to you about aspects of the Alex Jones preference. You bring up 911 again and again and do not understand that we are not debating 911 but AJ using a fake interview to promote his show saying this was the biggest news of his career when it most certainly it was not.

I repeat this in bold THIS FAKE INTERVIEW IS NOT THE BIGGEST NEWS OF HIS CAREER. IT HAS NOT GONE MAINSTREAM IT HAS NOT PROMPTED PEOPLE INTO THE STREETS AND IT HAS NOT HELPED ANYTHING AT ALL


SO In closing I would like to apologize to My Friends and Foes here on ATS, The Mods, The Amigos, and everyone else here on ATS I have not mentioned, Everyone but you BeefCake.

As much as I would like to say how vitriolic I feel towards you with the most vile words. Instead I shall wish you a "Jefferson morning" and pray that I get to read about you in the Darwin Awards some day.





[edit on 9-9-2009 by titorite]

reply to post by mister.old.school


Agreed, yet somehow within the aftermath of the sandbagging extraordinaire we have just witnessed, I still get an emerging soulagement. Perhaps it is a subconscious rationalization tempered only with the knowledge that despite all this, we have yet to see the last of Mr. Jones.

As far as a new captain, though I am sure you do not want the distinction, I can think not of a more qualified person than yourself. I understand your wish to remain in the background, please understand my penchant for dreaming.


[edit on 9 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]

Originally posted by A Fortiori
reply to post by gwydionblack

 

Thank you, thank you, and thank you.

People act like he's out there doing this for the money. Every video is on his site for free and he tells you to spread them around. If you do buy them its higher quality, but the entirety of them, not just clips are on his site.

Furthermore, what is he supposed to do to stay up and running? Everyone needs either grants or corporate sponsors to do what he is doing. Who is going to give him a grant in this climate? Hmm?

He can't win. If he were independently wealthy and using his own money no one would like him because he's one of THEM. Heck, his father is a dentist and that supposedly means something. When he requires sponsors, he's in it for the money.

Tell me, people, those vitamin companies...how much do you think they pay to advertise on there? It's not like he's raking it in. He doesn't have Dell, Coca Cola, Pepsi, etc. He has supplement ads.

Sheesh!

Quoted for Motherf%^&ing TRUTH.

Im sick of all these babies whining about every little thing. Most of those hating on Alex didnt like him to begin with. Yeah he deserved some criticism for this screwup, but ffs let it go, did it hurt your feeling that much? really?...

Originally posted by Unplugged

Im sick of all these babies whining about every little thing. Most of those hating on Alex didn't like him to begin with. Yeah he deserved some criticism for this screwup, but ffs let it go, did it hurt your feeling that much? really?...

Most of the "whining" I have observed has been manifested by AJ apologists, now I am sure your observations differ. Quite microcosmic of the state of the whole 9/11 "truth" movement wouldn't say?

And if some are as you say "whining," perhaps it is because they appreciate what is truly at stake here. Your dismissal of this event as a "screwup" who's only consequence is that it led to hurt feelings perhaps indicates your inability to grasp this fact.

Believe it or not this isn't about you, me, our feelings, or god forbid Mr.Jones ... good luck trying to tell him that.



[edit on 9 Sep 2009 by schrodingers dog]

reply to post by Unplugged


Yes unplugged me feelings are hurt. I shook hands with his producer Mike Hanson. Drank with another alternative radio host a better one Jack Blood. I went to the Truth Seeker meetings in Austin and passed out the 911 videos I daubed on my dime for free. I lead independent gorilla information campaigns in the central Texas area . My former home and Jones still current home.

So I think as a member of the few that were deep in it... Doing things, being active and demanding more of each other than typing words online or speaking up on micro broadcast FM radio, that I have the right to be pissed.

My feelings are past hurt.

It is as said else where here on ATS.

The man burned his credibility and damaged everyone elses!