My son's doctor said this about H1N1 vaccine

reply to post by ohioriver


My husband and I both differ greatly on whether or not to vaccinate our son. I am completely against it. My thoughts are that he will get thru it as it just makes you sick whereas my hubby wants him to be vaccinated. I will probably win this round but it's sad that even a house is divided over our children.

Here's the thing too, while it's a mild form of flu virus the problem lies in the infrastructure of our countries. If you have literally thousands upon thousands getting sick and are out of work for a week just to recover then people aren't going to work and if people aren't getting to work then deliveries aren't being made and shipments aren't coming in. Grocery stores are just in time inventory and if half or more of these people are out then guess what? No food, no mail, etc...you see my point.

That is why the gov and state are suggesting door to door quarantines (again and I say AGAIN IF AND ONLY IF it comes to that) because people will continue to spread this thing and containment will be hard. It's the economy which is already depressed that's going to suffer not really because it's a flu virus that just makes us sick. But what if everyone is sick? The infrastructure would be overwhelmed.

Just a thought....

Hah, door to door inspections. I can tell you this much, if they show up at my door, they will be met with a shotgun. I am not going to hand my every freedom over without a fight going down. No way. I will definitely not let them touch my family.

Heres my question though... theres a LOT.. and i mean a LOT of homes in the united states. How are they going to go to every single home in a short time period?

I will move my butt out of the united states before that time comes.

i heard its gunna be mandetory to take the vaccine in the us... does anyone know the case for canadians???
id love to see them try and stick that crap in me

Originally posted by DDay
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My state starts school tomorrow and she said that people will become infected long before the vaccine is even available. Told me to prepare to be out of work for at least 5 days per the CDC recommendation and that was times the amount of people in the household. So for example I have 3 people in my house and that would be 15 days of onset of symptoms.

Who can afford to take that amount of time off of work? She then whispered to me so my son couldn't hear although he did hear it and now is worried so I had to do some damage control with him afterwards but she said that that was why certain states were implementing door to door inspections SHOULD it come to that. Because people will refuse to stay home for that length of time and it will be the gov and state responsibility to ensure that this virus is contained. The only way to do that is to enforce regulations for people's protection.

Now...while this has always been a thought in my mind, hearing it from a medical professional was rather disturbing.

I just wanted to pass this along and ask the members of this community if they have encountered anything similiar in their area?

(my bolding)

Yet at the same time all the airports and seaports will be open? That doesn't make much sense surely? I'm not questioning what your doctor said but it really doesn't make much sense.

I'll also post what I've posted on other threads - how come countries that have already been through/are still in, their flu season haven't had serious problems with the virus causing people to be required to stay at home? Why is it only looking to be a problem in the USA?

Originally posted by Maya00a

hah excellent points. seriously... how can they say they are going to go door to door and get EVERY single person, when thousands are coming and going into the united states every single day through plane, boats, ships, illegal immigrants, you name it.

i think it is all highly suspicious and unless they plan on shutting down all forms of entering and leaving the united states... i dont see how this is actually going to happen.

[edit on 8-9-2009 by calihan_12]

Obama has stated that the Vaccine will NOT be Mandatory. Of course, I suppose that could change, but for now, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt.

I wanted to add... I have been a strong proponent of herbs for many ailments for many years. I strongly suggest visiting an herbalist (herb store) to get an immune booster tincture that you can take all the time and also a cold/flu immune booster to take IN CASE you or a family member does get the flu. Also, have plenty of your favorite flu meds in the house, so you don't have to go out and get them. Once it starts spreading (if it does) I will also be staying home unless absolutely necessary and being extremely careful when I do go out for groceries, etc.

Originally posted by DDay
Geez I feel like a one man team here but I was just reading on Drudge that they were saying wash your hands alot. Here's the thing...while washing is strongly encouraged and a much needed practice because I can't tell you how many adults I encounter in the restroom that give their hands a lick and a promise in terms of washing. This virus is AIRBORNE. Sneeze, cough that's all it takes to travel. I wish they would make that announcment because alot of people I have talked to think that washing alone will prevent this flu.

It is not airborne. It is encased in body fluids, and the body fluids keep it alive to make it easier to infect others and therefore continue on. The body fluids can be aersolized, or just on you and then you transfer them by touching your eyes, mouth, a mucous membrane....

People are contagious - shedding viruses - often for several days before and several days to weeks after showing symptoms. Without coughing or sneezing.

When a child gets sick, and a day later other children/siblings get sick, those others did not just get it from the coughing sibling yesterday. It takes a couple of days to a week for you to develop enough of the virus in your system to start having symptoms. The others picked it up from the first person BEFORE they were symptomatic.

So much misunderstanding out there.

Washing up is merely a way to reduce your chances - symptomatic or not - of transfering the virus from your hands to your eyes/ears/mouth/nose.



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Originally posted by calihan_12

Originally posted by Maya00a

hah excellent points. seriously... how can they say they are going to go door to door and get EVERY single person, when thousands are coming and going into the united states every single day through plane, boats, ships, illegal immigrants, you name it.

i think it is all highly suspicious and unless they plan on shutting down all forms of entering and leaving the united states... i dont see how this is actually going to happen.

[edit on 8-9-2009 by calihan_12]

It just doesn't add up does it?

Neither does the fact that Australia, New Zealand, South America, etc, haven't reported any huge changes during their winter/flu season. Surely we should have seen huge breakdowns in their infrastructure if so many people will really be getting sick all at the same time?

[edit on 8-9-2009 by Maya00a]

i know, it doesnt really make sense to me... i mean... mexico is bordering central america, too, and yet its not some huge thing down there. and i am SURE it would be just as easy for the flu to spread there.

none of it adds up thats for sure. its not like it would just stay contained in america. i mean... people have gotten it all over the world in small doses. so why would the US be the only ones who would be so aggressive with "mandatory" vaccinations?

i, personally, dont see it happening. due to the very basic fact that it just isnt likely. if the government wanted to wipe us out.. they could do it much easier and faster than giving all of us some disease in the vaccinations.

lets be realistic here. it just doesnt seem probable.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Yes you are right my friend, but as you have seen states are taking their matter into their own hands and forcing state, hospitals and many others that they can control into taking the vaccine.

When the president said that vaccines will not be mandatory he also said that the government will encourage people to take them.

The last swine flu out brake was in the seventees, look what happen with the vaccine back then.



[edit on 8-9-2009 by marg6043]

I'm taking my chances with the vaccine. I have a sort of quasi-autoimmune disorder that is really more akin to a constellation of asthma, uncontrolled allergies, abnormally thick, viscous mucous (similar to cystic fibrosis according to rheyology and other tests done on it, but I don't have that,) and chemical hypersensitivities, but despite multiple doctors and specialists' best efforts at controlling these symptoms (and my own extensive efforts based on home remedies and experiments, some of which has worked to a very limited degree) what it comes down to is this: when I get sick with so much as the common cold, let alone the flu, I end up being severely ill for sometimes as long as three weeks (in the past it could have been as long as three MONTHS,) with a consistently high risk of secondary bacterial infection of both the lower and upper respiratory tract that takes forever to respond to antibiotics because of how thick and difficult to drain/clear my mucous becomes. (I've tried everything, and every possible treatment, diet, etc. to no avail. This is just "how I am." They don't know why.)

I've read and researched as best I can all of the concerns surrounding the virus and its forthcoming vaccine, including the possible use of squalene as an adjuvant. In my particular, personal case, I have concluded that the lower risk lies in taking the vaccine in the hope that I do not contract novel H1N1. I take a flu shot every year and have never experienced adverse reactions, nor can I find any compelling, conclusive proof that this vaccine's constituents will be harmful to me, whereas I know for a fact that catching the normal seasonal flu, let alone H1N1 in my case, would be harmful. So in this case, I am forced to accept what I hope will be the lesser of two evils.

I am a firm believer in not criticizing people's parenting decisions, and letting people raise their children as best they can, as they see fit. Provided you have obtained reasonable assurances of safety and wellbeing for your child from their/your physician, then that's all you can do, and I respect your decision not to give him the vaccine. Most likely he'll be fine, anyway if he's healthy and lacks underlying health conditions or comorbidities (which isn't true in my case, hence my decision.)

I think everyone needs to make their own decisions on a personal, case by case basis, and that we all need to respect and tolerate one another's decisions.

reply to post by AceWombat04


I will not stop you from getting the vaccine, after all the same precautions that you use for the regular seasonal flu you are to follow with the swine flu, because of your health conditions, many will have no choice but to get the swine flu vaccine for prevention reasons.

I wish you luck and that you be able to come out of the flu season as healthy as possible my friend.

Take care.

well, if doctors enforce them even.. i wont have to worry. i do NOT go to doctors. they are untrustworthy and have almost killed both my father and mother due to misdiagnosed treatments.. on many different occasions.

they once told my dad he just had a bad stomachache when his appendix had burst, and had it not been for his neighbor who was a nurse he probably would have died.

a dentist cut into a nerve in my moms mouth years ago and she still cant feel or taste on that side of her mouth

my dad had his finger chopped off while fixing the lawnmower and he went to the hospital with his finger in a bag and they said do you have insurance "no" and of course, no finger was going to be put back onto his hand.

they told my dad his chest pain was probably just from old age when really he had 3 arteries completely clogged and the fourth artery was 70 percent clogged and he had to go in for quadruple bypass heart surgery

do NOT trust what a doctor says just because they "seem" reliable.

I have been doing my own holistic medicines for a long time, and i am in excellent health. I strongly believe it is because i dont use the toxic medicines in pharmacies

Thanks for sharing your story. Our 2-year old got sick last week with cold symptoms and we immediately took her to our pediatrician. I usually let my wife take her by herself, but this time I went, just to make sure no swine flu vaccination was involved. We asked the doctor about his plans to vaccinate and said he has no plans to vaccinate his family. He also said he has received 100 vaccines and will only vaccinate if someone is desperate and begs him. We spoke to other personnel at this practice and they all shared the same concern. This vaccine has not been tested and it may (will) cause more harm than good.

You need to listen to Clif High's upcoming interview at Veritas Show. It's on Sep 18 and he talks a lot about the swine flu and everything the powers that be may be doing:



Cheers,

Exo

reply to post by AceWombat04


Thanks Ace that was another good point of view. I haven't heard much from people that do have other health conditions and their take on it. It's also good that you have done your research and you have concluded that the vaccine is worth your time.

And to some others ~ please don't misunderstand me I am not saying door to door inspections will or even can happen given the amount of people, I am just simply passing along specific information that I received from my son's doctor. I personally didn't read the memo from the Health Dept that she claims was received in thier office earlier that week so I have no idea how much is her opinion or actually written. But I can tell you that she appeared worried about this.

And to the person saying the H1N1 isn't airborne, well that's not entirely true either. The CDC is treating this like seasonal influenza in regard to transmission mode because they do not have enough testing to determine the modes of transmissiblity. They did do studies on groups in China and determined that both types of transmission occured meaning droplets were airborne. Further it would make sense that if someone sneezed on you or coughed on you that you could inhale that and viola virus has been transmitted.

the sad thing is I still dont know what is safe for my childrenz STILL ROLLEN WITH FAITH AS OF NOW....

reply to post by Exopolitico


Nice...this is exactly what my intent was with this thread. I wanted to get other people's opinions from their doctors. It's interesting that your daughter's doctor was absolutely against it and my son's doctor was going to take it but with heavy reservations about it.
I hear that in England 1/3 of nurses polled said they weren't going to take it and I repeatedly hear stories similar but it's interesting to hear it from our own doctors and why they are hesitant.

I hope your daughter is well now and that is wasn't swine flu.

Thanks for that...

all the supermarkets and pharmacy's in my area are now advertising GET YOUR FLU SHOT HERE.

made my stomach turn.

reply to post by Alaskan Man


Yes but that is for the seasonal flu vaccine that was purposely made available this season so the big pharma can concentrate on the swine flu shots that will required two shots to be effective by October but don't expect it until November.

Originally posted by truth/seeker
Don't take the vaccines, pertect yourself by taking

above the recomended dosages of vitamin D and C,

pertect youselves that way.......imo...im a nurse.

Pertect, lol, I'm gonna go take some vitamin d and c and think I may lay down on my piller. You sure your a nurse with that kinda lingo?...by golly.



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