Life for US soldier's Iraq crimes

Life for US soldier's Iraq crimes

news.bbc.co.uk

A former US soldier convicted of rape and murder while serving in Iraq will spend life in prison, a judge in the US state of Kentucky has confirmed.

Steven Green, 24, is to serve five consecutive life sentences for raping a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her and her family near Baghdad in 2006.

Green was convicted in May but the jury could not unanimously agree a sentence and he was spared the death penalty.

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Hmms why was he not given the death penalty, or castration. I guess his life is more important to the US Government, than that of the 14 year old Iraqi girl, whom he raped and murdered! Not only that he also murdered the girls mother, father and other sister.

Absolutely disgusting, I hope those inside the prison he goes to, find out what he done, and carry out thier own sense off justice. I would say this in itself is a very sad chapter, inthe US lead invasion into Iraq,
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[edit on 5-9-2009 by Laurauk]

Originally posted by Laurauk
Hmms why was he not given the death penalty

Death would be the easy way out. The harsher sentence of living the rest of his years in a concrete shoe-box-sized cell with his thoughts of his actions for company will be a fair torture

I used to think like you, in regards to punishing the wicked.

Then I changed, and realized no sense could be made out of such an act.

There is a definitive difference between defending oneself from harm and simply executing them at a later date, in cold blood.

What this demonic individual did is just... beyond.. anything, but it happens a lot, quite a lot in fact.

A greater punishment would be to force him to become penitent, rather than rolling his head into a basket. There is no greater punishment then making such a despicable human-being face themselves for the rest of their lives.

When they finally feel the wicked sorrow for their actions, then they start suffering, and whether or not they rise from those ashes is on them.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by SyphonX]

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Come on, do you really think this guy will repent in some way?

Once a beast always a beast. Unless he has a remarkble turnaorund and says he has found peace in God, where have I heard that one before, oh yes Mira Hindley, after she killed all those children.

Originally posted by Laurauk
Come on, do you really think this guy will repent in some way?

Whether he repents a decade or two down the line or not, he will still have to accept that he will never again know the sense of 'freedom' that he was serving to promote/protect and will end his life as no more than an animal in a cage.

So you don't think five life sentences (for killing 5 people I am guessing) fits the crime? There was a trial, facts were presented and this was the outcome. It's either the Death Penalty or Life one would imagine. Since when do we cut off convicts genitals? I'm guessing you had a strong emotional connection with this story? Would you advocate the Death Penalty or Castration if your daughter murdered another human being?

The day you start wishing extreme ill on others (no matter who), the more you begin to stoop down to the level of those you claim to hate. Have a think about it...you are busy saying you hope for terrible things to happen to this guy when he gets to jail. Why? Because it will make you feel better to know that he has suffered for his crimes. Do you see my point?

I know it's tough to be objective when you have a Feminist agenda to serve, but please leave it out of this thread.

[edit on 5/9/2009 by Dark Ghost]

Meanwhile the real war criminals are free as anyone of us. How many innocent people died in the war started by Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and Wolfowitz.

They should be getting their guilty verdicts today.

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Oh I guess it does not matter that two of those whom were killed, were children. I guess that is oks for this digusting form of a human being to cary out.

Makes it worse that not only did he rape that 14 year old, he then tried to cover up his disgusting crime, and he also had others to help him out. I guess that is acceptable in yor eyes

Just show how low Human values for other peoples lifes and the consenquences for such actions, has really went downhill.

Having been a soldier and having been in combat, my only fault with this is the lack of the death penalty..

There is enough horror and terror in war without adding to it.

I understand the forgiveness attitude and all that, and perhaps it is because I have "been there and done that", but letting this scumbag live is more than I can see...

He does not deserve 3 hots and a cot...

Semper

reply to post by Dark Ghost


Well-That does sound a little tough on Laurauks' part; however I have been in battles through my personal life where I believed/knew that these murderous people had to be stopped at all costs; and I would have tortured them, "fully" for information; but that was a different story.

I understand a passion for getting a good result that preserves the well-being of good people; and have also myself been in the position of the need of forgiveness. So I understand both points here..

I'm thinking the sentence is, "reasonable".

Edit to add: S&F for a concerned citizen of the Earths' decent people. And yes; it happens all the time; unfortunately.

No consequencE..

Thank you.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by noconsequence]

While justice is served in this case, the elephant in the room is that if he had worked for Blackwater as a contractor when he committed these crimes, he could not even have been charged for them and would have gotten off scott free, and probably with a cash bonus.

I believe the irony here is that we are fighting for the world banks that are doing the same and more, but they single out the soldier rather than the whole rulership, "including the soldier" that brought about the entire war.

Were being told what to do or they'll jerk what's left of the value of our dollar completely out from under us.. We will feel the recoil after we militarily subject most of whats left to the NWO.

NoconsequencE..

Thank you.

Back to the news.

A trial of his peers ruled on this case and he will spend the remainder of his days in a box. Personally, I would like a true military punishment, like hanging or death by firing squad, but they don't do that anymore. Call it "political correctness," I guess. He disgraced the uniform, his country, and the men in his unit. I hope he lives a very long life in that cell and I hope the images of those he brutally murdered haunt his mind. Lets not forget that two soldiers from his outfit got the brunt of his actions by being brutally murdered by insurgents in retaliation.

The U.S. military recovered the bodies Tuesday of two missing soldiers from an area it said was rigged with explosives. An Iraqi official said the Americans were tortured and killed in a “barbaric” way.

www.msnbc.msn.com...
I don't need to go into detail regurgitating what happened to these two soldiers and the sheer brutality shown to them by insurgents, because of acts done by Green and his goons. Here is a link below chronicling the brutality for those that want to see.
en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
Those two soldiers were innocent victims along with the murdered Iraqi girl and her family as result of Green's actions. I remember hearing of this story and the retaliation events that followed. Needless to say, I was fumed by all of it, and I am now happy that closure is finally reaching fruition.

On the flip side, apparently, Iraqi justice got one thing right when dealing with an alleged murderer regarding the case of the two murdered US soldiers.

Ibrahim Karim Muhammed Salih al-Qaraghuli was found guilty and sentenced to death after expert testimony that his fingerprints matched photos of bloody prints found on the front panel of the pickup truck used to drag the soldiers, Pfc. Kristian Menchaca and Pfc. Thomas L. Tucker.

www.washingtonpost.com...

To all those innocent people violated and killed by the actions of Steven Green and his minions, may their souls finally be at ease. We may disagree with the parameters of the justice given Green, but he will never breath the air of a free man again.

Originally posted by Laurauk
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Oh I guess it does not matter that two of those whom were killed, were children. I guess that is oks for this digusting form of a human being to cary out.

Makes it worse that not only did he rape that 14 year old, he then tried to cover up his disgusting crime, and he also had others to help him out. I guess that is acceptable in yor eyes

Just show how low Human values for other peoples lifes and the consenquences for such actions, has really went downhill.

When did I say it was ok for this soldier to carry out these actions? When did I say that what he did was acceptable behaviour?

I know you are very emotionally attached to this issue, but please do not try and make me out to be the bad guy who says evil behaviour is ok. I did not say his actions were acceptable in any way or form. I was just trying to highlight that the hate and disdain you are wishing upon this guy does not help or better the circumstances of the situation for anyone involved.

The verdict that was given to him means he will spend the rest of his life in the prison system. As others have stated, he has now been stripped of basically all his freedoms and liberties, and he is not a danger to any people outside of jail, whether that is in Iraq or the US. He will also be reminded every day that he wakes up about the evil things that he did and the consequences of his actions. It seems like a fitting punishment to me.

reply to post by Laurauk


Are you not happy with anything?

The fact that he was even prosecuted alone is shocking when you consider ho many innocent men, women, and children have been killed in Iraq and Afghanistan due to mistakes or gung ho soldiers.

reply to post by Miraj


So are you stating he should not have been prosecuted?

He should have been let off free, with the murder of 2 innocent children and two innocent adults?

It beggars believe that you would defend such a disgusting crime. How would have you reacted if this happened to any of your daughters?

And howmany innocent men woman and children were killed by Coalition forces during the illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq?

Hmms thinks someone should look at the facts of what this so called hero of a soldier and his counterparts participated in.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by Laurauk]

reply to post by Laurauk


Not so many as were killed by Saddam. From the stories told, this would have been an average weekend for Saddam's evil sons.

www.time.com...

After three days the girl was returned to her home, with a new dress, a new watch and a large sum of cash. Her parents had her tested for rape; the result was positive. According to Shabaan's account, Uday heard she had been tested and sent aides to the clinic, where they warned doctors not to report a rape. Furious, the father demanded to see Saddam himself. Rebuffed, he kept complaining publicly about what Uday had done. After three months, the President's son had had enough. He sent two guards to the man to insist that he drop the matter. Uday had another demand: that the ex-governor bring his daughter and her 12-year-old sister to his next party. "Your daughters will be my girlfriends, or I'll wipe you off the face of the earth." The man complied, surrendering both girls.

From what I have read, these types of tactics were standard procedure in Somalia.

reply to post by poet1b


And what was that soldier out there to do? So called Liberate and protect those being killed, tortured, by sadamm. And what did he do? He raped, killed, and then tried to cover up his crime with the invovlement of others. How is that justified in your eyes?

So called hero Liberator became Rapist, Murderer and all he gets is 5 consecutive life sentences, oh wait a minute, condemm me for caring about an innocent 14 year old girl who was brutally raped and murdered, by those sent to protect her and her family.

[edit on 5-9-2009 by Laurauk]

Good decision.Only thing about jail time i don't like is that i think it should be paid for by the person via hard labour.Death penalty is useless and the lesser punishment imo...I don't know about anyone else but i know which i would pick in an instant if given the choice between execution or life inside a prison.Execution is by far the easy way out.