Have You Checked In On Your Money Lately? Recovery Money?

Lots of anger out there about massive government spending earlier this year, yet we hardly ever discuss the specific spending supported by the RECOVERY ACT.


Below is a link to FEDERAL BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES which are funded by the RECOVERY ACT.

I think it is a good time to stick to something SOLID and debate actual spending, the legitimacy of this spending and weather or not this will benefit our economy and country...

Remember, it is your money, you should at least look at what it is going towards.

Take a peek and get back...

www.fbo.gov...

Thanks MM

reply to post by mental modulator


First thing thing I notice is a lot of repair to basic infrastructure, buildings, sewers, etc...

I am trying to find a far out contract -

reply to post by mental modulator


I haven't looked at any numbers yet...but I do kknow that there is construction being done because of the stimulus package near me.

It's highway construction...and as far as I can tell it's just shoulder work....but it's being done nonetheless....which I know because of the gigantic road signs declaring so.

reply to post by mental modulator


Well I am mental so I am good at having a conversation with myself...

I should have included "PHOTO OF OBAMA WITH HORNS, REAL!!!"

Or

"BUSH LAUGHING ABOUT THE 9/11 ATTACKS"

Sorry no smoke and mirrors on this thread

SO mental you think this money is well spent?

WELL, I cannot say, it appears much of the money is going to the military, repair to run ways, re paint run ways, new buildings...

- VA, for more administrators, updated facilities...


It seems as if much of this awarded at a regional level by regional administrators.
Applicants apply and bid for the contracts directly which is good because it will be more likely that the contracts not over bid and stay in the state or county. It may start at a federal level, but if your notice the contact #'s are in the state of the contract.

Provided these are awarded fairly, I think it would help provide WORK which is
good. I just hope a lot of this stuff is necessary and not spending to spend...





[edit on 4-9-2009 by mental modulator]

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by mental modulator

 

I haven't looked at any numbers yet...but I do kknow that there is construction being done because of the stimulus package near me.

It's highway construction...and as far as I can tell it's just shoulder work....but it's being done nonetheless....which I know because of the gigantic road signs declaring so.

I haven't seen any signs yet here...

I do like that the contracts are awarded at a regional level, NOT awarded from DC.

At least this money is going to build things, provide work as opposed to just paying unemployment where there the only thing achieved is helping out the person or the family.

Another good thing is the this isn't a DIRECT hire thing which is what socialist countries
do.

Will there be any economic benefit at large?

Who knows

But road work is a BAD SIGN D, have you ever noticed there is always one guy working, one with a sign and ten more just standing around?

Anyhow this is my attempt to stay away from direct partisan stuff...

Not working

reply to post by mental modulator

But road work is a BAD SIGN D, have you ever noticed there is always one guy working, one with a sign and ten more just standing around?

yeah. the problem with road construction is that it only helps construction workers. It doesn't help you and me....it does help our tires and vehicles though.

Anyhow this is my attempt to stay away from direct partisan stuff... Not working

Dude...you know fair and intelligent are mostly prohibited on ATS.

I tell you what. I'll call you a communist/fasist socialist and you can call me an evil nazi who want to kill all peopel outside the US.

Sounds like fun! Let's heat it up you commie bastard!



It's sad man.

Nationally our infrastructure is outdated and starting to fall apart. Roads, bridges, the grid, dams, sewers, water pipes are in serious need of replacement or repair.

It is a benefit for our future and safety to have these things in top-notch condition.

I watched a show on the history channel about this the other night. It was very informative.

If money is going towards stuff like this I see nothing wrong with it.

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Nationally our infrastructure is outdated and starting to fall apart. Roads, bridges, the grid, dams, sewers, water pipes are in serious need of replacement or repair.

Absolutely! But the hell with that. Let's keep spending trillions of dollar on war and killing soldiers/innnocent civilians.

Makes sense to me!

reply to post by elaine
Did you see the numbers the History Channel proposed for repairing the infrastructure?

Trillions...this Billions stimulus is but a drop in the sea... :shk:

You'd need 2x-4x the WHOLE stimulus bill just to get it from a D grade to a B grade...

[edit on 9/4/2009 by Hx3_1963]

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Billions of course within a certain amount of years. I am just stateing something about a documentary I saw.

If I can find a link or something about it I will post it later.

reply to post by elaine
The special was called...

The Crumbling of America
www.history.com...

America's infrastructure is collapsing. Tens of thousands of bridges are structurally deficient or functionally obsolete. A third of the nation's highways are in poor or mediocre shape. Massively leaking water and sewage systems are creating health hazards and contaminating rivers and streams. Weakened and under-maintained levees and dams tower over communities and schools. And the power grid is increasingly maxed out, disrupting millions of lives and putting entire cities in the dark. The Crumbling of America explores these problems using expert interviews, on location shooting and computer generated animation to illustrate the kinds of infrastructure disasters that could be just around the bend.

Rating: TVPG

Running Time: 120 minutes

[edit on 9/4/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by elaine

 

Nationally our infrastructure is outdated and starting to fall apart. Roads, bridges, the grid, dams, sewers, water pipes are in serious need of replacement or repair.

Absolutely! But the hell with that. Let's keep spending trillions of dollar on war and killing soldiers/innnocent civilians.

Makes sense to me!

You know what you Fascist Commie? Maybe it was an unwise time to spend this money, while we are so in debt. Why do you Obamites think this the time to spend so much money on bridges and roads?

Maybe we should have stopped federal spending all together.

reply to post by Hx3_1963


So do you think it was a wise move move to spend so much during such a bad economic downturn?

reply to post by mental modulator
IMO...no...more spending now days = more debt = more interest on said debt...

Digging a deeper hole is not the way to get out of said hole...

UNLESS...you dig straight through the entire Earth...

Guess what's there???

China!!!





[edit on 9/4/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
reply to post by mental modulator

 

IMO...no...more spending now days = more debt = more interest on said debt...

Digging a deeper hole is not the way to get out of said hole...

UNLESS...you dig through the entire Earth...

Guess what's there???

China!!!

[edit on 9/4/2009 by Hx3_1963]

I am on the fence myself, on one hand you can offset unemployment and not be spending on the funds associated with paying the unemployed out while resolving things that have fallen thru the cracks, however I am not sure if it was a good time myself.

But hell when will we not be in debt at this point?

There are some interesting stipulations like this

THIS OPPORTUNITY IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO CONTRACTORS UNDER VETERANSFIRST CONTRACTING PROGRAM 100% SERVICE DISABLED VETERAN OWNED SMALLBUSINESS.

I do like that our injured service men get a share on some of these, also good that
it is not going to some blotted mega contractor.

www.fbo.gov...

This one seems a bit sketchy though

Synopsis:
Added: Sep 04, 2009 6:36 pm
RECOVERY--THIS NOTICE IS PROVIDED FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY. THIS OPPORTUNITY IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO CONTRACTORS UNDER W912DY-09-N-0200.

RECOVERY-THIS NOTICE IS PROVIDED FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY. THIS OPPORTUNITY
IS AVAILABLE ONLY TO CONTRACTORS UNDER THE UMCS III PROGRAM. This opportunity is available
only to the following Unrestricted Multiple Award Task Order Contractors (MATOC): W9l2DY-09-D-0035,
AMERESCO; W9l2DY-09-D-0036, Honeywell Products, Inc.; W9l2DY-09-D-0037, Johnson Controls Building
Automation; W9l2DY-09-D-0038, Siemens Government Services, Inc.; W912DY-09-D-0039, TAC Americas;
W912DY-09-D-0040, TENG & Associates, Inc.; W9l2DY-09-D-004l, Trane U.S., Inc.; and W9l2DY-09-D-0041,
Williams Electric Company, Inc.
This Task Order is to survey, analyze field data, prepare an engineering design drawings and specifications, install
equipment or complete repairs per the approved design. The Contractor shall furnish the materials and labor
required for inspecting and upgrading HVAC equipment and Direct Digital Controls in Building H-5454 at Ft.
Bragg, NC. Direct Digital Controls shall be inspected and upgraded on HV AC systems as specified in Attachment 4
and 5. The Contractor shall repair and replace controls and incidental electrical and structural elements as needed for
a complete and useable system. The Contractor shall survey the hardware necessary for this project and validate the
operational effectiveness of any equipment to be reused. All surveys will be coordinated with Ft. Bragg maintenance
personnel. The HVAC equipment and LonWorks system shall be for a complete operational system as defined in
Attachment No.4 and 5 and per the specifications listed in Attachment No.1. In addition, this project includes
design and installation of addition direct digital control (DDC) system equipment in order to remotely control these
equipment from the existing Ft. Bragg LCS server located in 3-1634.
Contracting Office Address:
US Army Corps of Engineers, Huntsville, P. O. Box 1600, Huntsville, AL 35807-4301

www.fbo.gov...

Hey, mm, your link is interesting.

First thing that caught my eye was the genome anylizer sequencer (linky about the genome sequencer job found from the OP link) affilliated with Illumina Inc.

Excerpt from the "What We Do" section:

Illumina develops and manufactures technology that allows researchers to gather, process, and analyze genetic information-LOTS of genetic information-that can be used to study the causes of disease. For instance, why is one person more likely to develop Type-2 diabetes than another? Why do some people respond favorably to certain cancer-fighting drugs, while others are unaffected? By identifying genetic similarities and differences across genders, age groups, ethnicities, and individuals, we can all gain a better understanding of how to prevent, treat, and cure illness. Illumina offers the most comprehensive "tool kit" for modern genetic analysis, which includes genotyping, gene expression and sequencing. Our products help scientists answer complex biological questions—at a revolutionary speed and cost. And we're just getting started.

That sounds pretty awesome!

I'm going to go swim around a bit...

Thanks for the interesting thread.

-anyone

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reply to post by mental modulator
I guess this comes down to if you believe Austrian or Keynesian economic theories...

Using our future earning to stimulate now is helping a little, but, in the very near future we're going to have cough up some present cash from the masses to cover the interest on those future earnings...

Tax Revenues are in the toilet now and taxing the battered masses surely can't be a boon to recovery can it?

[edit on 9/4/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Originally posted by Hx3_1963
reply to post by mental modulator

 

I guess this comes down to if you believe Austrian or Keynes Economic theories...

Using our future earning to stimulate now is helping a little, but, in the very near future we're going to have cough up some present cash from the masses to cover the interest on those future earnings...

Tax Revenues are in the toilet now and taxing the battered masses surely can't be a boon to recovery can it?

This is true...

I love the interest

Love the taxes too


There is always VOODOO???

To spend or not to spend?

A classic question.

I, as well as many others, constantly criticize the government for its spending. But sometimes, I have to wonder if I am talking just out of anger.

I guess what angers me the most is that most of this money goes to huge contractors or companies that are mainly ripping off the government. I mean is a hammer or toilet seat really worth 600 dollars?

On the other end, I think of what would happen if we were to reduce government spending. In my mind, I imagine the big boys still getting a substantial piece of the pie while the government closes or reduces programs that are beneficial to average Americans.

I really don't think Americans would be too pleased if government was to try to close or reduce programs. Instead of complaining about spending we would complain about them not spending.

I just wish the government was better adept at controlling the excess money they are paying for products and services.

Great thread Mental