An apology to the UFO researchers and community

Something has dawned on me today whilst looking at some posts and guys, I am truely, truely sorry.

Over the last year Ive posted a couple of threads here of videos of 'ufos'. Some of the threads gave birth to some 'ok' conversation but within the replies there were usually a few which 'flamed' my thread. Usually because the footage wasn't deemed worthy enough to be on a ufo research forum.

awesome troll posting! Was that from your vacation tapes eh?

That is just about the most painful thing I've viewed on ATS.

I don't see it as bashing the messenger, it's just pointing out the flaws in hopes that this poster will think a bit before posting the same junk. It only harms the true study of the UFO phenomenon.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

When I read the flames I became defensive, after all I'm no expert and I come here to learn. I'm fairly ok with words and have experience in writing something which sounds morally right from many angles, so my retorts to the flames were acceptable and gleamed a few apologies and got me some blue stars (yipee).

Because like I said, I'm no expert, I'm trying to deny ignorance and I need your help.

But this is where I was wholeheartedly wrong, so wrong my ignorance grew under the shade of defensiveness.

I was no expert because I was ignorant, I was ignorant because I just threw my videos on here without hardly any research... I mean man, I probably used the search funtion for like 5 minutes, searching maybe two words.

Inevitabley I ended up posting something which was either EASY to explain with a little research or something which, when looked at truely objectively was just lights in the sky which could literally have been ANYTHING.

Therefore I got flamed. And you know what? Guys I have actually learned a valuable lesson. When I saw the flames I just saw anger and reciprocated with effective words, what I should have seen was an ATS member who was frustrated and sick to death of the same mindnumbing rubbish clogging up the real UFO research space. I completely understand now why the flamers didn't just 'bypass my post because it is of no interest'... it is of interest... it is ruining their research arena. All because I was too lazy to research myself.

It was this site here that helped it dawn on me:
www.uk-ufo.co.uk...
A well put together site ruined by hundreds of postings about "bright orange lights" (lanterns).

For sometime I have been responsible for junking up the research area...

So guys, please accept my apology.

And to anyone new here... a little research before the post will steepen your learning curve and keep you focused on the research rather than fighting flamers.

Hey man,

Some of your posts have been a little more interesting than more recent ones, in my opinion, so I wouldn't fret too much.

Also, your avatar is cool.

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Haha, thanks. I don't know if you realised but he's from a clip of a UK sighting.

I will add, the uk-ufo site I linked to is good, I don't want to put anyone off or give it a bad reputation, there's great local info on there and good for people in the UK looking for hotspots to visit.

I want to personaly thank you for stepping up like you have. Alot of people post things just to get the shock and awe effect, others are just idiots and have done more to destroy the field than the skeptics. I have been in the field nearly 30 yrs and am appalled by how people act when they see things flying threw space on NASA vids and proclaim "UFO squadron leaving earth". You on the other hand are doing the proper thing and I hope you continue to post. Thank you again.

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Well I personally have not ever seen your threads but I am really glad to see a member stepping up, being mature, and acknowledging any mistakes they may have made. I am glad you have had a change of heart for the better.

[edit on 9/18/2009 by jkrog08]

Hey there! Don't take it too hard, we were all beginners in our research at one point or another

Some of us would do well to remember our own UFO Research beginnings.
I know I've made some mistakes LOL.

When I first started at ATS, I did a thread called 'Compilation: The Evidence for EBEs' where I collected cases where ET's had been documented on video or in pictures, and did reports on those case studies. The intent was to catalouge data, and to assemble links to ATS threads where those particular cases had been discussed previously.

It was a tool for newbies, essentially, and as a newbie, I was using the tool to learn as I developed it...

Long story short, there was a lot of fraudulent data out there, that I felt should also be included, so that newbies like me could find out the truth behind those fakes.

I fell for one of the fakes myself, and it was a bad fake! LOL
I didn't have sound on my computer, and with the video only it was much more believable. I had to seriously laugh at myself when I got home and played it again with the sound on!

The point is though, that you're learning from your mistakes, and going forward with the knowledge you've gained from past experience.

I for one felt a tremendous amount of pride for you, when reading your OP here. It takes great courage to admit one's mistakes publicly, and to use oneself as an example for others to learn from. You sir, have just made my friends list.

It also shows how much you care about the quality research that is done here at ATS, both in your sentiments here, but also in your original intent to contribute to ATS. It's clear to me that your mistakes were just that, but the passion to investigate is what is truly important IMHO. Everyone makes mistakes along the way, I'm certainly no exception!

Fantastic of you to be so willing to learn and grow from them!

-WFA

Keep on posting, I say.
Flamers perhaps want to discourage your interest.
I wonder on some youtube posts that went very extreme just
to stop some poster of their ufo video.
Bully tactics are all the Illuminati left to protect the UFO secrets.

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My friend:

"An error only becomes a mistake when you fail to correct it."[



[edit on 18/9/09 by Tifozi]

They got you bad in this one:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Saucers do not go 300 mph all the time.
They have been going 20 30 mph at night looking like kites with lights.
You don't need CGI if you have an agents spot to wait for a passage.
Ever think there are not enough UFO sightings to debunk.
Agents can manufacture their own cause the Illuminati run these things.

ED: they must have spotted something, cylinder or flat airship.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
ED+: fairly normal bright light from UFO goes back to Area 51
before they fenced off the public.
www.abovetopsecret.com...
You have discerning objectivity and have worthwhile finds.


[edit on 9/18/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

[edit on 9/18/2009 by TeslaandLyne]

awesome troll posting! Was that from your vacation tapes eh?

That is just about the most painful thing I've viewed on ATS.

I don't see it as bashing the messenger, it's just pointing out the flaws in hopes that this poster will think a bit before posting the same junk.

It only harms the true study of the UFO phenomenon.

Not too cool.
If I only mentioned Tesla they might go away and send in
the Tesla UFO objectors.

Don't worry about it really. When you post a video post it from the standpoint of research ask people what they think it might be and as a forum we can see if it is legit or not.
I know i only flame people when they repeatedly post hoax videos, or when people post every single video with titles like "skeptics proove me wrong with this one", "OMG proof of aliens" or they reply to every single post with something about tesla ufos.
So don't be affraid to post anything just watch the claims you make when posting ufo pics and videos.

Don't stop your research and don't stop your posting of information evolves.

Seek the truth.

Everyone makes errors and learns from them.

And the best thing you can do is "keep your eyes to the skies".

And a camera handy.

I don't recall your threads but with your words I will look at you with respect from now on.

Looking at yourself and seeing you for who and what you are is no easy task, and to admit it in public, even harder. (Keep it up though, I have, and after a while it beomes second nature).

The truth sets us all free...at least from ourselves.

Remember that this kind of place to talk attracts any sort of people. Each time you post something you are giving all the chance to think. The good people will get something good, will research and discuss it. You are giving food to their minds.
Bad and skeptic people will not change a bit, they already have their minds made up so don't waste your time thinking about them.
Pay your attention only to those like you. At least not many here know the truth and you must be congratulated for fomenting discussions and discoveries.