Russia hijacks own ship

Russia hijacks own ship

www.ynetnews.com

www.ynetnews.com...

A Ynet investigation revealed Wednesday that the hijacking
of the Russian vessel 'Arctic Sea' was ordered by the Russian
government. News agencies around the world published reports tying
Israel to the hijacking, as the vessel was said to have been carrying
arms to the Middle East, and possibly Iran.

Admiral Tarmo Kouts, who heads European Union's piracy
watch, tells Time Magazine Israel was most likely responsible for
hijacking of Arctic Sea in an attempt to intercept Mideast bound
missile

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Apparently,Russian intel used secret agents to arrest the Arctic Sea vessel, even though early reports had Israel as the highjacker. A tip that it was violating international accord by carrying 'destabilizing' arms to Syria or Iran seems to be accurate.

It is claear that the groundwork for the Gog-Magog war in Ezekiel 38-40 is being set up by these actions.


www.ynetnews.com
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One, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!

two, if that were the case, don't you think Russia would say and do something about it?

Are you suggesting that Russia would do something about Russia stealing Russia's ship?

Or are you saying that Russia would say and do something about somebody saying that Russia stole Russia's ship?

Edit: Shocker, an Israeli rag is trying to pin the blame on somebody other than Israel. That filthy despicable country and its warmongering, manipulation, lies, and genocidal policies are going to be the destruction of this planet someday, Biblical prophecy or not.

[edit on 3-9-2009 by mattifikation]

Originally posted by mattifikation
Are you suggesting that Russia would do something about Russia stealing Russia's ship?

Or are you saying that Russia would say and do something about somebody saying that Russia stole Russia's ship?

Edit: Shocker, an Israeli rag is trying to pin the blame on somebody other than Israel. That filthy despicable country and its warmongering, manipulation, lies, and genocidal policies are going to be the destruction of this planet someday, Biblical prophecy or not.

Looks like that filthy despicable country is saying the same thing as a leading newspaper in filthy despicable Britain:

www.guardian.co.uk...

A journalist who broke the story of a Russian cargo ship apparently hijacked by pirates announced he had fled Russia, fearing for his life.

Mikhail Voitenko, editor of the online maritime bulletin Sovfracht, said he had left the country after receiving a menacing late-night phone call.

[...]

Voitenko has repeatedly cast doubt on the official version of events. The main source of information on the hijacking in the early days of the crisis, he has hinted that the ship may have been carrying a secret shipment of weapons, or, he suggested, "something much more expensive and dangerous".

M

Which EU country`s navy is Admiral Kouts an admiral of anyway? The Archduchy of Luxemburg`s Royal Navy?


edit:

and i do so love ynetnews - reminds me of the sun or fox , in the way they ignore what was reported by and add the `bad guy of the month`

www.time.com...

Kouts says an Israeli interception of the cargo is the most likely explanation. But this theory, which some Russian analysts put forward in the days after the Arctic Sea was rescued and which Kouts agreed with in his interview with TIME, has been vehemently denied by Russia's envoy to NATO, Dmitri Rogozin, who says Kouts should stop "running his mouth."

[edit on 4/9/09 by Harlequin]

This rather reminds me of those five (or six?) nuclear armed cruise missiles that were flown clear across the USA a while back, apparently bound for Iran..

The good guys in the US military stopped the bad guys in the US military from hatching some devious plot (possibly by Cheney) to start World War Three.

It appears something similar may have happened in Russia. Criminal elements in Russia selling nukes to Iran, stopped by the good guys in the Russian Military.

We will probably never hear the full truth of either saga, but at least the good guys in both USA and Russia seem to be winning at this stage.

found kouts - he`s the ex armed forces commander of Estonia , and , well , theres little love lost between Estonia and Russia , with allegations of the rise of facism in estonia since 2002 , estonia based `SS` veterans groups

source

www.interfax-religion.com...

and discrimination of russians and russian speaking jews


www.osce.org...


so , maybe , just maybe Kouts has gone too far , a case of power corrupting.


or its all true

Originally posted by Silver Shadow
This rather reminds me of those five (or six?) nuclear armed cruise missiles that were flown clear across the USA a while back, apparently bound for Iran..

The good guys in the US military stopped the bad guys in the US military from hatching some devious plot (possibly by Cheney) to start World War Three.

It appears something similar may have happened in Russia. Criminal elements in Russia selling nukes to Iran, stopped by the good guys in the Russian Military.

We will probably never hear the full truth of either saga, but at least the good guys in both USA and Russia seem to be winning at this stage.

I dunno. Rogue US military and under Dick Cheney? Sounds like somebody's wild fantasy.

The criminal elements in Russia are called the government. They took over after the the economic collapse in the 90s. Russia has been selling Iran their sub-standard military technology for a long time.

There was an agreement with the US where they wouldn't help Iran get ahead nuclear wise. But business is business. Good chance they're selling some out of date duds.

But they're sort of embarrassed by all this coming out.

M

reply to post by mmiichael


Britain isn't filthy or despicable, just easily duped into being Israel's "female dog" - just like the U.S. For the record, the article you linked to only talks about the fact that the author wrote the story; it doesn't suggest at ANY point that the story has any merit.

Smoke screen created around this story is so thick that only thing sure is that there was something going on. There. All detailed versions, multitude of them , could not be trusted. Probably we would not know for sure what really happened for long time. And if it were Russian forces hunting down Russian ship (which i consider not very likely) we might never know.

Originally posted by mattifikation
reply to post by mmiichael

 

Britain isn't filthy or despicable, just easily duped into being Israel's "female dog" - just like the U.S. For the record, the article you linked to only talks about the fact that the author wrote the story; it doesn't suggest at ANY point that the story has any merit.

I made a mistake then. Sorry.

I lived in Britain for many years. Have no problem with it, as a whole. That's your take.

Knew some wonderful people when I was there.

A small percentage believe things presented to them by some very
agenda driven disnformation sources.

Mike

Most people everywhere are good people, but it takes the worst of them to seek power over others. That's how countries with good people end up with bad governments.

This article is a joke and nothing more than speculation by people who know very little about what happened.

The same goes for the majority of other conspiracy articles spreading bull**** about this incident. Why bull****? Because none of them have the slightest idea about what happened and know no more than we do, yet that doesn't stop them from trying to pass off a bunch of absurd fairy tales as some secretly obtained facts. The only entity that knows the facts is Russia - everyone else is just speculating.



The most absurd of the theories surrounding this hijacking is that the ship was carrying S-300 to Iran. I don't get it why people keep bringing it up:

1. Look on the map. If Russia was selling something secretly to Iran - WHY TRANSPORT IT THROUGH THE ATLANTIC? If such transport were to take place - the Caspian Sea would be a far more ideal place - no outside navy could interfere or observe, and distance is far shorter.

2. If the sale of S-300 were to take place, Iran (or any other country for that matter) would no doubt order more than a few systems - there is no point in getting one or two. There is absolutely no way a ship like that could secretly transport any more than one S-300 system and radars and equipment required for its operation.

3. Why would Russia need to be secretive about selling the S-300 to Iran or anyone else? US and Israel no doubt know all of the weapons systems possessed by Iran at all times, and if Iran suddenly starts using the S-300 they will know it very soon. And since Iran can't acquire the system from anywhere else, it would be clear that the supplier was Russia. This "secret" sale makes no sense also because Russia has nothing to gain from hiding the fact. Russia is not subject to the weapons embargoes imposed by US, so it can sell whatever it wants to Iran with no consequences.

4. About the "nuke" on board the ship rumors: Name one good reason why Russia would sell somebody a nuclear weapon. Money is not a good answer - Russia receives quiet a large amount of money from conventional weapon sales, and it would not risk selling nuclear weapons are the risk in that case would far outweight the benefits.

While there is admittedly a ton of speculation with few solid answers, you can't then claim to know everything Russia and Iran are up to.

The US and others have arrangements with Russia of what will or won't be supplied to Iran. That hardly means Russia complies with every agreement they make, or that there aren't people within Russia selling stuff out the backdoor.

And since usual border routes are watched closely, transporting on a ship going in the wrong direction, then trucking it overland is the exact kind of thing that would be done to conceal it.

Iran is strongly suspected of having tow parallel nuclear programs in progress. Onw for the public front, the inspectors, and possibly to be sacrificed if Israel or someone attacks them.

No one knew about the plant going up in Syrial until the Israelis bombed it. Does anyone think Syria had their own secret nuclear program.

There are many things we only get wind of when someone is caught.


Mike

I suspect this all along.
Source

A CARGO ship that vanished in the Channel was carrying arms to Iran and was being tracked by Mossad, the Israeli security service, according to sources in both Russia and Israel.

The Arctic Sea, officially carrying a cargo of timber worth £1.3m, disappeared en route from Finland to Algeria on July 24. It was recovered off west Africa on August 17 when eight alleged hijackers were arrested. The Kremlin has consistently denied that the vessel was carrying a secret cargo. It claims the ship was hijacked by criminals who demanded a £1m ransom.

The official version was challenged by sources in Tel Aviv and Moscow who claimed the ship had been loaded with S-300 missiles, Russia’s most advanced anti-aircraft weapon, while undergoing repairs in the Russian port of Kaliningrad.

reply to post by maloy


My sentiments exacly. I've said the same thing on many threads about this incident. One more thing to add that would make no sense: Why would they risk discovery by Finnish customs and dock crew? That ship is monthly visitor to that dock and they are very familiar with it. It would be ridicilous risk to load weapons to the ship and then travel to Finland for loading timber.

Originally posted by mmiichael
While there is admittedly a ton of speculation with few solid answers, you can't then claim to know everything Russia and Iran are up to.

Some speculation is educated and is based on solid analysis. And then there is speculation based on little more than personal opinion with little background knowledge, which can be proven to be absurd based on simple logic. And as I pointed out, the widespread speculation that is circulating by foreign media about this incident fits mostly into the absurd category.

Originally posted by mmiichael
The US and others have arrangements with Russia of what will or won't be supplied to Iran.

And what arrangement would that be? If an arrangement is in place, then how come US can dictate to Russia what it can or can't sell to Iran, while Russia has no say in the arms dealings which take place between US and Georgia?

I am not saying there is no arrangement in place, but so far there has been no sign of cooperation between US and Russia. Russia already has political justification to sell the S-300 to Iran, because of US supplying arms and training Georgian troops. Would would Russia get in return if it is really trying to comply with some secret arrangement with the US?

Originally posted by mmiichael
That hardly means Russia complies with every agreement they make, or that there aren't people within Russia selling stuff out the backdoor.

Regardless of the level corruption you think Russia has, when it comes to advanced systems like the S-300 only the highest positioned person in the Russian government has the power to make the sale. The systems in active duty as well as reserve, and their production, are all very thoroughly accounted for.

Originally posted by mmiichael
No one knew about the plant going up in Syrial until the Israelis bombed it. Does anyone think Syria had their own secret nuclear program.

What do you mean no one knew? Israel obviously knew. US and some NATO powers most likely knew, and the same goes for Russia. The public might not have known, but I am sure the top military strategists were not surprised.


[edit on 7-9-2009 by maloy]

Yeah this kind of stuff happens in Russia all the time. Usually the higher up Russian government is actually good though as opposed to how it is in America. It's usually the lower government that is bad in Russia like the police. So that's good.

In America the higher you go the more evil it gets. But even then it has to be like 33 degree mason status to get that evil. Lol that's a dumb comparison.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
I suspect this all along.
Source

A CARGO ship that vanished in the Channel was carrying arms to Iran and was being tracked by Mossad, the Israeli security service, according to sources in both Russia and Israel.

The Arctic Sea, officially carrying a cargo of timber worth £1.3m, disappeared en route from Finland to Algeria on July 24. It was recovered off west Africa on August 17 when eight alleged hijackers were arrested. The Kremlin has consistently denied that the vessel was carrying a secret cargo. It claims the ship was hijacked by criminals who demanded a £1m ransom.

The official version was challenged by sources in Tel Aviv and Moscow who claimed the ship had been loaded with S-300 missiles, Russia’s most advanced anti-aircraft weapon, while undergoing repairs in the Russian port of Kaliningrad.

The Mossad theory also doesn't stand up to logic. If Mossad indeed planned such a comlex operation - why did they allow themselves to get caught by the Russian navy? They would have had over two weeks to finish the operation before they were intercepted by the Russian navy - during that time they could receive support from Israeli navy, and would have had the chance to bring the ship to shore, confiscate or destroy the secret cargo, hide all evidence of the highjacking, and hide the highjackers themselves.

These highjackers clearly did not have their act together - this was no Mossad. Also, why would Russia hide the fact that the highjackers were Mossad?



And regarding the S-300 missiles: have you ever seen the size of those things? 7.5 meters long, 0.5 meters in diameter, weighing almost two tons each. Someone explain how the heck you would manage to hide that so it would not be noticed when the ship took on cargo in Finland? And how many of these missiles could you possibly hide in a ship like that? Furthermore these missiles have no use without proper launching equipment, and large equally complex radar installations.



I myself believe that there is something awkward about this highjacking, and that all facts have not been made clear. But the theories I keep hearing are clearly absurd and do not stand up to analysis. This is just Western media using an opportunity to tell people what they want to believe - without any basis in coming up with these conclusions. The likelihood is that reality is not as exciting and captivating.