male chicks are ground up alive at an egg factory

Originally posted by Egyptia
reply to post by RetinoidReceptor

 

I saw the video of one of these the other day and I truly felt like dying inside. At that instant I wanted the dwarf star to hit earth because what other hope is there but to completely destroy the evil in this world. Unfortunately all the good would be destroyed as well.

There are not enough people that fight these causes. The majority of the people consume and that is all they do. No thought into putting a little time and researching what really happens to these animals that are all sentient creatures and deserve as we do, to live their own lives.

Words such as horrifying and agony are not sufficient to express the absolute atrocities that these animal farming companies and people commit without the living realization that these creatures feel pain, loneliness and suffering just like us.

Personally I would like to see a government that bans the eating of all animals. You would think in a 1st world nation that these atrocities would be hugely illegal. But they don't give a damn. So it's up to us to change things and force that change upon them.

well said
I'm in complete agreement with this.

Its these types of things that make me only want to buy freerange eggs and chicken.

Its disgusting to see how animals are treated.

Glad to see that the supermarket chain Coles, over here is phasing out non free range eggs.

Hmm if an animal is going to die for our food - then it should die with a little dignity and minimum pain and suffering.

Meat is a staple part of our diet, and i've had enough arguements with militant vegetarians to last a life time, but if an animal has to die, then it should have at least had a comfortable life, enough food and water and space to cause it no discomfort and shouldn't be considered a product until it is dead.

To throw a live chicken into a grinder suggests serious social problems as animal cruelty is a sign of deeper issues.

Don't get me wrong here, i'm not taking the holier than thou vegetarian route here, but there's a thing called respect and dignity for all life forms.

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Originally posted by verylowfrequency
Ah, the cycle of life. Everything that lives must die someday.

I'd like to use this as defense in court for murdering someone (if I ever do that is! ) How do you thind I'd do?

Executive Director of Mercy for Animals, Nathan Ruckle said, "most people would be shocked to learn that 200 million chicks are killed a year."

As to more humane alternatives to disposing of male chicks, Runkle said the whole system is inherently flawed.

"The entire industrial hatchery system subjects these birds to stress, fear and pain from the first day," he said.

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It'd pretty disgusting. The majority of people certainly don't want these details, though. They want their omelette stat. They couldn't care less at what expense and if the expense isn't their own money, well then it isn't much of an expense to them they'll say. They have a stressful job to putter off to after that breakfast. If they get two consecutive red lights on the way to work, then that's the real tragedy in their mind.

"Two hundred million chicks to the insta-grind?" "Yeah, but did you hear gas went up 4 cents a gallon last night ?" "Now that's a real tragedy."

"Two hundred million chicks to the insta-grind?" "Yeah, but they cancelled ball game because it got rained out." "Now that's a real tragedy"

Those are concerns to get the average Johnny Automaton worked up. A stat like the hatchery one might insight the following calculation though, "So basically what your saying is, if we milled over 400 million then eggs would be half price?! ...hmmmm"

I never understand threads like this one.

Why is instantaneous death of these chicks "cruel"?

What exactly is the problem?

I agree completely with those who say grinding live chicks is disgusting. I can't help but wonder tho, what do they do with the ground up chicks?

My guess is that they somehow get incorporated into feed for other factory raised/produced animals that we in turn eat.

Another disgusting thought (practice?).

I would be willing to pay much more for meat if I knew it came from animals that had a quality life -- preferably one as close to their natural wild existence as possible. Ideally all meat would come only from animals caught in the wild.

It would be hard to get and expensive, but healthier and worth it in my opinion. So there would be less of it, but we don't need as much as we are accustomed to.

If you are afraid of little chicks feelings being hurt by going into a meat grinder just remember that the little chicks death is most likely instant and suffering is kept to a microsecond of time.

www.liveleak.com...
WARNING GRAPHIC.



Doesn't look instant or a microsecond?

reply to post by C0bzz


No doubt it is disturbing. I think you would have to be brain dead not to feel something.

But it is an inescapable fact that humans are omnivores. Even at it's most primitive level, killing for food is less than pretty. BUT it is normal nonetheless.

I'm willing to bet that these chicks get the better deal when compared to animals hunted by projectiles or traps.

On another note, I just can't understand how some people can look at this sort of practice and not have any reaction to it? I don't understand the mind that looks at a living creature but only sees an object.

That has to be a disability of some sort - like a perceptual problem. There are people that look at humans that way too -- they are called sociopaths, people with a psychosis, a mental disorder.

This is no different.

reply to post by wayno



No different? So you think that a little chick has the same level of consciousness as a human being, and the same realisation of existence and suffering?

I think our food industries are using very questionable methods, morally and healthwise, and things should be changed, but I don't get teary eyed and all mushy when I see those little birds on that rollercoaster of death.

I even chuckled a few times, because it looked so bizarre.

Does that make me a sociopath?

Originally posted by loam
reply to post by C0bzz

 

But it is an inescapable fact that humans are omnivores. Even at it's most primitive level, killing for food is less than pretty. BUT it is normal nonetheless.

Killing for food is one thing, killing billions of animal (when you don't eat a morsel of it) because you don't want to deal with them, isn't.

I guess that's why we are the epitome of evolution. Because we act "normally".

Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by wayno

 

I even chuckled a few times, because it looked so bizarre.

Does that make me a sociopath?

Pretty much, but thanks for playing. Mass death can be funny sometimes you were saying?

Originally posted by SpacePunk
I'm not going to watch the video. Knowing this sort of thing happens is depressing enough. Sure, I eat meat, but grinding anything alive is barbaric.

I've been living and working on chicken farms my whole life, and I really don't see how it's any worse than my preferred method of dispatching newly-hatched culls:

*stomp*

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Originally posted by Point of No Return

I even chuckled a few times, because it looked so bizarre.

Does that make me a sociopath?

I don't know...? Maybe you just can't empathize.

I guess you will learn one day when you are crying in pain to have some sympathy for things. Human or not.

reply to post by StrangeBrew


It is a consequence of producing food on that scale.

“There is, unfortunately, no way to breed eggs that only produce female hens,” he continued. “If someone has a need for 200 million male chicks, we’re happy to provide them to anyone who wants them. But we can find no market, no need.”

Sadly, both the United Egg Producers and the Humane Society of the United States confirmed what Head had to say.

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Furthermore Loworn warned that, “Virtually all egg farms, even those that sell cage-free eggs, get their hens from hatcheries that kill their male chicks.”

Link.

Originally posted by StrangeBrew
Killing for food is one thing, killing billions of animal (when you don't eat a morsel of it) because you don't want to deal with them, isn't.

Does that mean you oppose pest control? We kill billions there too unrelated to food consumption.

[edit on 2-9-2009 by loam]

reply to post by jd140

Why else would you raise chickens?

Funny- I can raise chickens as PETS just fine. Too bad the 2 I have wont ever produce eggs (they're roosters). I would like some hens for eggs- these birds will NEVER have to fear me coming at them with an axe. I'm ok with eating store bought chicken (go figure)- probably because of the fact I didn't raise them, give them names, and everything else. Raised properly, chickens are intelligent, stick together, and do actually have feelings. Quit laughing over there. I had 2 hens some time back that got attacked by something (and a freaking POODLE), and when I took the chicken in that got attacked by the poodle, the other one had a complete and total freak out fit. I just couldn't handle 2 chickens in the house, so I spent as much time as possible with the other one.

Then, I put them out in their brand new chicken yard, and something grabbed them that night. I was given 2 roosters yesterday (I am gonna beef up that blasted chicken area like fort knox!), and while I was talking to them, I was seeing comprehension. They knew I was talking to them. Probably didnt have an idea of what I was saying, of course... but they knew the funny pink skinned bird was blathering at them.

Why else would you raise chickens, indeed.....

Throwing baby chicks into a grinder sounds A LOT worse than it actually is. I mean compare that to skinning a raccoon type animal alive and letting it sit there and die.............aka the China fur industry and the video I posted a few weeks ago. It kills me to think about baby chicks going into a grinder. But if you're going to produce the amount of eggs these places produce the article is right...........what are you going to do with 200 million male chicks? I mean seriously people. We should just all stop eating eggs? I guess vegetables will more than make up for all the eggs we consume and ALL the food that contains eggs? What if it is actually prove scientifically that it's the best way to euthanize baby chicks? I don't know I'm torn on this issue. I see it both ways unfortunately.

My question is what the hell do they do with 200 million ground up chickens a year? I hope to god they aren't feeding it to farm animals and dogs?

Anyways I think it comes down to the simple fact that there are just too many damn people in this world. If everyone had to shop at local farms where the animals were bred naturally and only so much food was produced then the population would grow at a natural pace. But as long as factory farms are putting out all this cheap food what the hell do you expect? Populations are going to explode and the vicious cycle continues. People have to eat right?

The same people who work for Mercy for Animals probably would raise hell if they heard governments were planning for population control or dare I say it "eugenics". So they should ask themselves how they hell they expect to feed 7+ billion people in this world. How does that compare to 200 million ground up baby chicks. Is a baby chicks life more important than a human beings?

reply to post by StrangeBrew

Pretty much, but thanks for playing. Mass death can be funny sometimes you were saying?

No, like I said, the absurdity of it made me chuckle.

So, I'm am pretty much a sociopath to you because, even though I stated that I'm against these practices, my lack of emotional response towards the death of these virtually non-sentient beings, makes me the same towards people by default, in your eyes.

A bit shortsighted, and a typical knee jerk response.

The whole food industry is rotten to the core, and when graphic examples like these come up, people get hypocritically infuriated and lose perspective.