H1N1 Chickens To Be Fed To Humans (BBC)

Rather than culling the H1N1 infected chickens in Chile, the Chilean authorities have decided to let them recover in time for safe production and processing.

This has been stated by the BBC in the following article:

Last week the H1N1 virus was found in turkeys on farms in Chile. The UN now says poultry farms elsewhere in the world could also become infected.

Safe to eat

Chilean authorities first reported the incident last week. Two poultry farms are affected near the seaport of Valparaiso.

Juan Lubroth, interim chief veterinary officer of the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO), said: "Once the sick birds have recovered, safe production and processing can continue. They do not pose a threat to the food chain."

Chilean authorities have established a temporary quarantine and have decided to allow the infected birds to recover rather than culling them.

It is thought the incident represents a "spill-over" from infected farm workers to turkeys.

Canada, Argentina and Australia have previously reported spread of the H1N1 swine flu virus from farm workers to pigs.

How does anyone know that anyone or any animals that recovered from the swine flu has in fact fully recovered?

What if the virus simply lies dormant and mutates with H5N1 later on? Are those who recover from H1N1 really virus free? Or is the worst yet to come? I would recommend culling the H1N1 birds...what do you think?

[edit on 31-8-2009 by MightyAl]

I dont have a problem with this. As long as people aren't eating them raw, the virus should be dead when the meat is cooked. To cull all of them would be a waste of food.

I agree,as long as cooked properly the virus will be killed so i don't see what the problem is either.

reply to post by Vipassana


Of course it's a shame and definitely a waste of food, but isn't it better to be safe than sorry? Which should be the primary survivors? Chickens or humans?

As a French living in Taiwan, I would never waste any edible part of an animal, including intestines, ears, nose, tongue, whichever.

But sometimes it's necessary to put humans' safety ahead of chickens.

I wouldn't eat a H1N1 chicken just to be safe and sure. Maybe it wouldn't affect me at all (since it's cooked as you said), but I don't want to be the first test rabbit.

Well yhea it's OK to eat, but won't the virus just linger on in other birds? You know a stray feather with chicken sneeze on it getting into another batch of chucks?

We have to slash a burn in this country - why not others? Or did we just cull all those cows and turkeys for comic effect?

So What is new about this?

Thanks to the World Trade Agreement on Agriculture the USA exports 700,000 tons of quality beef imports 1,500,000 tons from countries with:
Naegleria fowler,
Encephalitis,
Vesicular Stomatitis viruses,
Leptospirosis,
Trypanosomiasis (Chagas disease)
Foot and Mouth Disease.
The US imports 2.5 million live cattle from Canada with BSE (now found in USA)
from Mexico with
Tuberculosis (now found in USA),
Brucellosis (now found in USA)
Cattle tick fever, (now found in USA)
Trypanosoma cruz,, (now found in USA),
Bluetongue (now found in USA), and
Vesicular stomatitis



LIVESTOCK DISEASES:
World Map by OIE ftp.oie.int...
U.S.- MEXICO FREE TRADE: ANIMAL HEALTH ISSUES
www.farmfoundation.org/news/articlefiles/864-wagner.pdf

www.fao.org...
www.defra.gov.uk/animalh/diseases/monitoring/pdf/vr-reportaprjun05.pdf
www.cdc.gov...

Foot & Mouth www.brazzilmag.com...
Bluetongue www.economy-point.org...
Trypanosomiasis Chagas www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov...
leptospirosis lib.bioinfo.pl...:9780268
Naegleria fowler www.sciencedirect.com... 1&_urlVersion=0&_userid=10&md5=95b573c1613f616b6c6557ac5f8ae36b

Encephalitis www.ajtmh.org...
vesicular stomatitis viruses www.defra.gov.uk...
tuberculosis & brucellosis http:// www.mexico-usato.com/documents/145783755.pd
cattle tick fever www.countryworldnews.com...
Bovine neosorosis lib.bioinfo.pl...:9618881

Free trade & Disease query.nytimes.com...

Export regs from USA ecfr.gpoaccess.gov...:1.0.1.4.32.2&idno=9

The USDA is also closing down testing labs, and has shifted what testing is done to dead animals at slaughter instead of testing live animals at the farm. www.tahc.state.tx.us...

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Bovine tuberculosis [humans catch it too] is fast becoming an important reason that carcasses are being condemned as unsafe in American beef packing plants. The number of carcasses found infected is 15 times higher than in 1986. Dr. Billy Johnson, said about 80 percent of the condemned carcasses were traced back to animals raised in Mexico.” query.nytimes.com...

Oh yes don't forget the coming Famine in the USA

reply to post by crimvelvet


Holy encephalitis!! That's really interesting! Thanks for the info. I will read it all right after I have posted the following post!

Star and flag!

reply to post by Now_Then


Well, that's not really the problem when the chicken is in my fridge or freezer, all defeathered and degutted

I should however be worried about the live chickens in the markets here in Taiwan being culled and defeathered brutally only after being ordered by customers like you and me. I watched the entire process. It makes dinner an even great er delight I'm always very proud to say that the chicken was freshly killed under my own eyes.

Hmmm,...don't want to think about the farmers getting the virus from the chickens and passing it on to others...

HELLO!!! What about bringing the infected bird into your house...putting it in your refrigerator, laying it on your counter, cutting it with your knife, etc....YOUR HANDS etc....

Sorry, I don't want it in my house AT ALL!!

I'll become a vegetarian 1st....

[edit on 31-8-2009 by smilinggrandma]

reply to post by Solomons


I just read an article a moment ago, which supports eating infected chickens as long as they are fully cooked.

It's worth a read:

Since most people around the world eat their chicken cooked not raw, the most common risk from eating chicken comes from first slaughtering, de-feathering, eviscerating and cooking infected chickens.

This puts you in contact with the dead bird's blood and vital organs and you could become infected with H5N1 in this manner.

Well cooked chicken meat and eggs are safe to eat if cooked properly, according to a joint statement issued by the UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and the World Health Organization (WHO).

They issued this statement in December 2005 through the International Food Safety Authorities Network (INFOSAN).

Cooked properly means the meat and eggs must be completely heated to 70 degrees Celsius or 158 degrees Fahrenheit, so there is no red or raw meat.

However, they also recommend that meat and eggs from chickens known to be infected with H5N1 not be used as food.

I've seen people ask, "If it's safe to eat chicken when it's well-cooked, why do they burn infected chickens instead of eating them, especially since those countries are poor and the people are hungry?"

If you give enough people dead bird flu infected chickens and tell them to make sure they cook the chickens thoroughly, some numbskull will NOT cook it thoroughly, eat some that's still pink and raw, get sick and die and their relatives will blame you.

I trust myself to properly cook an infected chicken, but they are hard to find And I still would rather eat a beef's penis offered in Taipei than an infected chicken...

reply to post by smilinggrandma


Yeah, that's a turn-off! Think of all the farmers who do it every day...

reply to post by crimvelvet


And here we are overly worried about the swine flu, while I eat U.S. beef imports every week! Maybe chickens are safer...

reply to post by MightyAl

And here we are overly worried about the swine flu, while I eat U.S. beef imports every week! Maybe chickens are safer...

I go to the farmers market and buy my beef from Cyndi, my pork from Amy and Anita, my goat meat from Melissa, and my veggies from Mike. If I get sick I KNOW who to complain to. since I see them every weekend. (Why are they all women selling meat :puz

After doing all the research for what I posted and more on farming, I am cutting out the middleman traitors like Wally Mart who are shipping our jobs overseas.

I would recommend doing what I do and eating wild game.

A single elk / deer will feed you for months.

I would say it would be safer to say that an elk or deer doesn't have the virus.

Plus sage hen, quail, pheasant and wild turkey are also very tasty.

(Disclaimer: I hunt for the meat and to feed myself and my family. I have no remorse for that fact.)

reply to post by DaMod


Yeah, I think the less the animals fly, the safer they are. At least elk and deer don't have much of a chance to get in touch with too many other animals in less safe territories. Pheasants also can't fly much.

I see you're from Wyoming. I lived in Pennsylvania, but was lucky enough to have a hunter friend who transported a deer all the way from Wyoming to PA. By the time it arrived, it was frozen on the roof of the car! It was enough to share with everyone!

I remember plucking the feathers off of wild ducks and pheasants when I was a kid. I also used to watch my dad skinning wild boar, deer, and whatever else his hunter friends could bring us. Once we had mountain goat. I'd say they should all be safe to eat during the infection season, even turtle and squirrels.

My French grandmother always used to tell me horse is the most healthy meat though. Her reason was that horses don't get TB! She used to serve us a horse roast on every visit.

reply to post by crimvelvet


We also normally go to the farmer's market here in Taiwan, so we know who to blame. That's the problem with supermarkets...you get a bad wine or bad meat, and you have to talk to the Walmart or Carrefour manager. Then comes the bureaucracy.

It's much easier to go to the market and tell them. However, as mentioned, hunting appears to be the best way to go If the meat doesn't taste right, it may be because you didn't shoot it right!

I heard about Walmart setting themselves up in India, and causing such heavy competition that the small Indian supermarkets are closing down...it's not fair. Excuse: Thank you Darwin.

Either go vegan 100%, or become a cannibal! Human meat is sweet, juicy, and very nutritious. Human being consumption has existed in some form or the other since the beginning of time. Once all the animals are so screwed up that you can't eat them any longer, Soylent Green distribution will be closer than you think!

Seriously, go Vegan. You'll feel a whole lot better eventually. Meat is dead!

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[edit on 31-8-2009 by Confused and Dazed!]

i wouldn't advise eating any form of meat right now, tho.. i still like fish, but possible will be mercurilised too, as soon as those new mercury bulb waste gets in to the rivers


[edit on 31-8-2009 by angelx666]

reply to post by MightyAl

heard about Walmart setting themselves up in India, and causing such heavy competition that the small Indian supermarkets are closing down...it's not fair.

As far as I am concerned Walmart is only a step behind Monsanto (India farmer suicides) in its predatory practices. It is driving out the small businesses here in the USA too. Sam Walton would be horrified if he saw what his "all American" company turned into.

For my freezer I have a very nice ram fattening in the back. (I keep a herd of thirty sheep and goats) And the hunters I lease my land to often give us some of the meat. I do not have pigs or cows any more so I have to buy (or swap) for a taste of beef.

reply to post by Confused and Dazed!


Ah, so it's all part of the depopulation program If we can't eat animal meat, and refuse to be vegans, then we can only resort to eating human meat. Excellent Rockefeller / Ted Turner / Bill Gates / George Soros plan!

How about eating insects? Lots of protein and nice and crunchy! You need a lot to get you full though...