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Originally posted by detachedindividual
Originally posted by PsykoOps
I'd take this with a very large grain of salt. Eye witness testimony has been proven over and over again to be notoriously unreliable.
The Unreliability theory would suggest that none of them would have the same story. But there are consistencies between all of them that make this proposal of "false memory" pointless.
How are they ALL pointing out the same inconsistencies with the official story?
Imagine this scenario...
You have a murder to investigate, and you have ten witnesses. Three of them tell you completely different stories, they get the minings wrong, the culprit, and even where the person was when they were killed.
Then, you have seven people all telling the same story, have the timing right, the locations of the victim and the culprit.
Who are you going to believe?
If witness evidence is so "notoriously unreliable" (something that I have only ever seen mentioned in the 9/11 investigation BTW) why is every legal trial system on Earth based on it?
Wait...
The Government says that witness testimony is now conveniently unreliable. That demands a review of all legal practice and investigation into every crime where witness testimony has supported a conviction. Or is it only when we're talking about 9/11 that witness testimony is so conveniently unreliable?
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Yopu obviously have never been to Washington D.C., or any major city with bad traffic.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_ElfIt was several seconds, but people don't need that much time to notice something that out of the ordinary.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_ElfIt amuses me to know end that people focus on a very mentally unstable cabdriver who seems to be a fan of David Icke while ignoring everyone and everything else. Lloyd England's testimony, everytime I see it, makes me think that the local loony bin lost track of one of their patients.
Originally posted by mbkennel
How would one convince a bunch of career military people to blow up the Pentagon?
You couldn't.
Congress? Treasury? IRS? Sure, that would be easy.
Originally posted by Vipassana
Where are the whistle blowers???
Ok, so for this to be an inside job is to suggest tens, if not hundreds or even thousands of government personnel were directly involved in secretive operations that included the confiscation of local video tapes, witness and evidence tampering individuals, high tech military personnel, demolition and missile experts, etc... Where are these people and why are they taking this secret to the grave?
Personally I believe that something seriously wrong is happening here. The evidence just DOES NOT support the official story, plain and simple. However, it blows me away that there have been essentially no successful whistle blowers, of which there should be many. Perhaps there are under threat of loss of career, prosecution in public media and federal court, or possibly even death to selves or family.
Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
SO what hit the PENTAGRAM then help me understand, please. What is the 9-11 conspiracy (personally I felt it was a excuse to be in the middle east) BUT OTHER THEN OIL WHY??
Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by AceOfAces
And how disappointed the "truth" movement will be when they find out that, yes, a group of Islamic terrorists managed to pull off the attack that day........
What you will find out is that the men and women that have been serving us in the Congress over the last 30 years managed to hamstring our agencies enough to create the conditions needed to hurt us like we were on 9/11.
Originally posted by Vipassana
Where are the whistle blowers???
Ok, so for this to be an inside job is to suggest tens, if not hundreds or even thousands of government personnel were directly involved in secretive operations that included the confiscation of local video tapes, witness and evidence tampering individuals, high tech military personnel, demolition and missile experts, etc... Where are these people and why are they taking this secret to the grave?
Personally I believe that something seriously wrong is happening here. The evidence just DOES NOT support the official story, plain and simple. However, it blows me away that there have been essentially no successful whistle blowers, of which there should be many. Perhaps there are under threat of loss of career, prosecution in public media and federal court, or possibly even death to selves or family.
Originally posted by burntheships
Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information
www.thepeoplesvoice.org
(visit the link for the full news article)
Researchers present new eyewitness testimony which they say proves the government's story to be a "monstrous lie".
A three year independent investigation into the September 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon has yielded new eyewitness evidence which, according to the Southern California-based researchers who conducted the investigation, "conclusively (and unfortunately) establishes as a historical fact that the violence which took place in Arlington that day was not the result of a surprise attack by suicide hijackers, but rather a military black operation involving a carefully planned
Related News Links:
www.prlog.org
81 minute Free Video Presentation: Scroll to bottom of page for link
www.citizeninvestigationteam.com...
[edit on 30-8-2009 by burntheships]
Nationally syndicated talk show host Charles Goyette uncovered blockbuster information in his drive-time interview with author David Ray Griffin.
A center piece of the increasingly apparent BULLSH*T story our government and corporate media have fed us for six long years was a complete fabrication!
We were fed a lie by Ted Olsen who served as Solictor General for the Bush Administration, when on 9/11 he held a press conference to tell America and the world that his dead wife had called him before her demise from the jet she was on that had just been hijacked.
Personally, I thought it was odd at the time that a man would decide to hold a press conference minutes after hearing of his own wife’s death, when it happened on 9/11. If my own wife had just died, the last thing I’d want to do would be to talk to anyone, let alone call a press conference. It didn’t “smell” right.
Now we know why it didn’t smell right. It was a lie. The FBI has reported that no such call between Barbara Olsen and Ted Olsen ever took place on 9/11/2001.
It was part of the rapidly unraveling scam that is the official story of 9/11.
Her husband said she called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77, which was en route from Washington Dulles International Airport to Los Angeles.
Ted Olson told CNN that his wife said all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Um, there have been rational explainations for the first.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
No, it is not a sensational claim.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
Reporters only collected a relative handful of accounts, there are plenty of people who were probably never interviewed, or wanted to be interviewed.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
No one yet has said they saw a missile strike, or that they saw the plane fly away, out of thousands.
Originally posted by burntheships
Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information
www.thepeoplesvoice.org
(visit the link for the full news article)
Researchers present new eyewitness testimony which they say proves the government's story to be a "monstrous lie".
A three year independent investigation into the September 11, 2001 attack on the Pentagon has yielded new eyewitness evidence which, according to the Southern California-based researchers who conducted the investigation, "conclusively (and unfortunately) establishes as a historical fact that the violence which took place in Arlington that day was not the result of a surprise attack by suicide hijackers, but rather a military black operation involving a carefully planned
Related News Links:
www.prlog.org
81 minute Free Video Presentation: Scroll to bottom of page for link
www.citizeninvestigationteam.com...
[edit on 30-8-2009 by burntheships]
Originally posted by mappam
Eyewitnesses 'assume'...
Think about it =
You are going about your daily work (at a gas station as an example) and first hear then see a very low flying plane.
You move to get a better look. You watch it and feel you can almost touch it because it is flying SO low.
In the next few seconds you See/Hear an explosion...
You ASSUME that plane hit something.
If the Pentagon was in the direct direction of where the plane was heading - You Logically think that This Plane Hit The Pentagon,
If there was an explosion at the Same Time as eyewitnesses THINK the plane would have reached the Pentagon - then they would Assume the explosion was Caused by the Low Flying Plane.
Has anyone interviewed Witnesses on the OTHER SIDE of the PENTAGON?
If this low flying plane just missed the top of the Pentagon and actually flew over the top - wouldn't there be witnesses that saw a Low Flying Plane on the other side?
If I were interviewing and searching for answers I think I would try to see if there were witnesses that saw/heard a low flying plane AFTER the explosion.
IF there are Eyewitnesses on the other side of the building that saw/heard a plane - where was this plane heading? What direction did it go?
It seems to me (my opinion) that a large passenger plane DID fly over the witnesses but DID NOT HIT THE PENTAGON.
So as I have asked above - where is the plane.
I have tried to follow up on the links provided from you fellow posters (Thanks!) but still can't get a grasp on Where is the Plane and what happened to the passengers (plane parts, passenger remains, luggage and even Skid Marks on the ground)??