Independent Investigation Into Pentagon Attack Yields Alarming Information

Originally posted by jthomas

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by jthomas
I guess you're new at this. I accept the multiple lines of evidence from hundreds of different, independent and disconnected sources

Where are these lines? I will keep asking you until you come up with some of this evidence that was so overwhelmingly convincing.

I already gave your sources. Your found them terribly inconvenient.

Let us know when you finally figure out what the 9/11 "Truth" Movement is all about. Apparently, no one here does.

No, you have only offered a few sparse links to other websites that support the OS in spirit only. You know what evidence and proof both are. Finding websites people made that agree with you does not make what you say true.

Originally posted by jthomas


Let me know when you finally figure out what the 9/11 "Truth" Movement is supposed to be all about.

If you can figure that out....

What is it about? Is this what you traded "canard" for?

Originally posted by Lillydale
How was the DNA gathered from bodies they did not find? Why are there no pictures of one tiny bit of this?

Before you answer, remember, there are pictures of bodies of people who were killed in the crash because they were inside the pentagon.

They took some pictures of burned bodies, gathered the body parts, bones, whatever would yield DNA. I don't recall the numbers, but there were a few people they were never able to find traces of like a 2 year old girl.

The rear portion of the plane actually ended up front as inertia on the impact forced it through the fuselage. So bodies seated at the back actually ended up in the deepest part of the disaster scene.

You won't get this, but the concern at the scene of carnage was collecting and tracing bodies and body parts, not documenting the event.

And again, if you absolutley need detailed information there are institutions that had it for forensic, academic or research purposes. But the government, the medical labs, photographers, passengers family members, are not obliged to release information or pictures of the reamins because some doubt these deaths actually happenened.

Flight 77 took off with 64 passengers from Dulles International Airport at 8:20 a.m., was tracked in the air and smashed into the Pentagon at 9:37 a.m. Passenger remains were among the wreckage.

Despite much speculation there is nothing to indicate this did not happen.

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[edit on 18-9-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by mmiichael
There were bodies of passengers at the site.

Casual readers to the thread, note how mmiichael has distanced himself from his earlier claims that there were passenger bodies strapped to seats.

The subtle shift in his wording has shown that he was not able to substantiate his earlier claim. Instead of offering a retraction, mmiichael has decided to reword all of his future claims about the alleged passenger bodies.

Originally posted by mmiichael
No company, organization, government is ever required to submit to constant information audits just because members of the general public doesn't believe something.

That short quote from mmiichael has effectively killed any notion that the government is free, independent, honest or open.

mmiichael, can you please tell us all who a government is supposed to be accountable to, if it is not 'we, the people'?

This is a typical line that some hard-core official government story believers want you to accept - that the government has the right to withhold information from 'you, the people'.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by tezzajw]

Originally posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Wow thank you man.
It means a lot to hear that people get it and appreciate it.

I was totally blown away with this one Craig. If I remember the name right, a while back we had a member named Jack Tripper who was doing an investigation of the pentagon as well, you might know him or at least be able to find his postings here on that to be of some benefit. Great Stuff man. That shady crap you guys caught there at the end when he didn't think the cameras were running, that's the stuff of legends in documentary film making man.

Originally posted by Jezus

Originally posted by jthomas
I never said I could. Now, please show us how YOU know that AA77's passengers' bodies weren't recovered? What is your source?

I don't KNOW that...

But Lillydale claims she does.

I simply have no reason to believe otherwise...

Your belirfs are irrelevant to the facts and evidence

Thus the issue of negative proof...

FALSE. "Negative proof" only applies if there is no evidence and no way to demonstrate proof, like" Prove no fairies exist."

You're stuck because there is evidence, you've been pointed to it, and you refuse to refute it.

And Lillydale claimed that "no passenger bodies were found at the Pentagon." That is a claim of evidence. Oops.

Need some help taking your foot out of your mouth, Jezus?

Originally posted by TheAntiHero420
reply to post by jthomas

 

So your implying that the "truth" movement is for a financial gain.

Where?

Do you know what the purpose of the 9/11 Truth Movement is? Tell us. I don't think you have a clue.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by jthomas

I already gave your sources. Your found them terribly inconvenient.

Let us know when you finally figure out what the 9/11 "Truth" Movement is all about. Apparently, no one here does.

No, you have only offered a few sparse links to other websites that support the OS in spirit only.

Your desperate dodge is noted again. The link contains mountains of evidence from independent sources that none of you have ever refuted.

You know what evidence and proof both are.

I sure do. And YOU know you can't refute any of it, never have, never will. And its why you cannot support YOUR claim that "no passenger bodies were found at the Pentagon."

That is also why you cannot tell us what the purpose of the 9/11 Truth Movement is.

You're hopelessly stuck with both feet in your mouth.

Originally posted by Lillydale

Originally posted by jthomas


Let me know when you finally figure out what the 9/11 "Truth" Movement is supposed to be all about.

If you can figure that out....

What is it about? Is this what you traded "canard" for?

I know you can't answer that simple question.

Originally posted by tezzajw
can you please tell us all who a government is supposed to be accountable to, if it is not 'we, the people'?

This is a typical line that some hard-core official government story believers want you to accept - that the government has the right to withhold information from 'you, the people'.

Great way to twist things so you can cry indignation. Anything you can't accept must be because it's from a government source, not because it's true.

I'm not American, for starters. And I don't play the Truther game which has devolved to provide an Internet link or you can't prove something. Why don't you provide me with an Internet link showing there was something other than 64 passenger remains in the wreckage in the Pentagon. Then we will have a point of contention.

I said, and I guess must repeat, the US government does not have to provide you or anyone pictures of bodies strapped into passenger seats just because you don't want to believe they were there. That is a matter of reason and dignity. There was a period after 9/11 when people were selling grotesque pictures of dead bodies in the WTC wreckage. Most normal people avoided this kind of stuff. We don’t have to see a burned torso to know there was murder.

Morbid details and specifics of bodies at the Pentagon exist somewhere I’m sure. It have had no reason to seek them out. The names of the passengers are a matter of public record as well. Nothing prevents anyone from contacting their families and asking painful questions. It’s a free country. Go ahead.

Americans elect their politicians, and that's the control they have in who runs their Democratic Republic. George Bush and Dick Cheney won the elections in 2000 and 2004. I personally think these elections were fixed. I note there was no great uprising among the people to redress this. But no shortage of whining and moaning.

Information was withheld by the govt about 9/11. Most damningly on the levels of prior intelligence that might have prevented the attacks, and giving the Saudis and Pakistanis a pass on their involvement. I rarely see this discussed on this forum.

With the documentation we now have of the groups who funded, sponsored, co-ordinate the attacks, there is no longer doubt it was executed by Middle Eastern terrorists. And they have not let up on their organized hostility to the US and the West as we have seen in the last 8 years. One of the groups active in co-ordinating the 9/11 attacks, controls the nuclear arsenal in Pakistan. One would think most Americans would be concerned.

But some choose to pursue any possible line of inquiry to avoid coming to terms with certain awful realities. That’s where you and your pals come in. Questioning the lack of photos and details of dead bodies in a wreckage is about your speed. Comfort yourself in believing it must be another government cover-up. The alternative is too troubling to deal with. In your little community you take pride in your shared denial. Nothing to be proud of I would say.

Good luck.


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[edit on 18-9-2009 by mmiichael]

Originally posted by jthomas
Your beliefs are irrelevant to the facts and evidence

This is why I don't want to discuss what you think, I want to discuss the lack of evidence for what you think...

Originally posted by jthomas
FALSE. "Negative proof" only applies if there is no evidence and no way to demonstrate proof, like" Prove no fairies exist."

You're stuck because there is evidence, you've been pointed to it, and you refuse to refute it.

I'm glad you finally comprehend the issue of negative proof...

You keep claiming you have pointed us towards evidence but all you do is point to the official story...

Again...the fact that everyone accepts the official story is not proof.

Proof is actual evidence; photos, videos, eyewitness statements...

Can you please post some pictures of the bodies at the pentagon?

[edit on 18-9-2009 by Jezus]

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Alright Jthomas tell me what the "truth" movement is all about, since its not financial gain (otherwise you would have said so in your post). And Jezus don't expect him to post any pics, we've already tried that and he won't.

posted by tezzajw
can you please tell us all who a government is supposed to be accountable to, if it is not 'we, the people'?

This is a typical line that some hard-core official government story believers want you to accept - that the government has the right to withhold information from 'you, the people'.

posted by mmiichael

I said, and I guess must repeat, the US government does not have to provide you or anyone pictures of bodies strapped into passenger seats just because you don't want to believe they were there. That is a matter of reason and dignity.

reason and dignity? Really?

How come these two guys did not qualify for reason and dignity?

How come the US Government displays their dead bodies for political gain?

Official US Government evidence photo

There are a few other official trial exhibit photos of dead and burned Pentagon personnel from 9-11 also displayed by the US Government for political gain without reason and dignity.

How come they cannot display a few Flight 77 passenger bodies strapped into seats for political gain? Why would dead passengers be allowed more reason and dignity than Pentagon personnel?

Perhaps the FBI neglected their duties of providing sufficient evidence of a 757 and forgot to provide passengers still strapped into seats. You tried to bluff your way through and crashed and burned.

The reason there are no photos of passengers strapped into aircraft seats is because there was no aircraft with passengers strapped into seats crashing into the Pentagon. You can pretend and deny and create lie after lie as much as you want, and never change the truth.

Your nonsense about the US Government caring anything about reason and dignity for victims of their illegal activities has also crashed and burned. The US Government deliberately and with malice aforethought murders people by the tens of thousands for greed and political expediency and could care less about reason and dignity.

Casual readers to the thread will note mmiichael's attempt to extricate himself from a difficult predicament.

A few pages ago, mmiichael made a claim that there were passenger bodies found strapped to airline seats. All that I did was to ask mmiichael to prove this true. I stated no belief either way.

Now watch mmiichael desperately try to assume that I have a 'belief' about the alleged passenger bodies...

Originally posted by mmiichael
Why don't you provide me with an Internet link showing there was something other than 64 passenger remains in the wreckage in the Pentagon.

Note that mmiichael is demanding that I need to provide something. It's a poor form of argument, where he can not support his own claims, so he thinks that I shoud be required to support an alternative.

Originally posted by mmiichael
I said, and I guess must repeat, the US government does not have to provide you or anyone pictures of bodies strapped into passenger seats just because you don't want to believe they were there.

I'm not asking the US government to show me pictures of passenger bodies strapped to seats. I'm asking you to prove your claim that passenger bodies were found strapped to seats. The method that you choose to prove your claim is entirely up to you, mmiichael.

Originally posted by mmiichael
Morbid details and specifics of bodies at the Pentagon exist somewhere I’m sure. It have had no reason to seek them out.

Perhaps you're not familiar with Logic 101, mmiichael. You clearly stated a few pages ago that passenger bodies were found strapped to seats. Now, with your above comment, you're stating that you're only 'sure' about it?

Furthermore, you're also stating that you have no reason to seek out the specifics of those passenger bodies??? Wow. You've just admitted that you don't know for 'sure' if there are detailed specifics and that you don't need to look for them, if they exist!

Casual readers, note that mmiichael has no intention of trying to prove his claim that passenger bodies were found strapped to seats. He's 'sure' that they were, but he has no reason to seek it out.

That's the level that some official government story believers will seek to argue from... complete denial of logical thought and an abortion of all investigative integrity. mmiichael, you have utterly failed in every possible way to prove your claim that passenger bodies were found strapped to seats.

[edit on 18-9-2009 by tezzajw]

Hi everyone.

Glad to see the discussion here is still going strong!

I just dropped in to link you to an interview I did on Matrix News. It might answer some questions that some of you have:

www.vimeo.com...

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


Hi Craig,

nice to see you around.....
Thanks for the link, and the continued investigation!

[edit on 18-9-2009 by burntheships]

reply to post by Craig Ranke CIT


Hi Craig, I for one thought your video on the alternate flight-path, linked earlier in the thread, with all the interviews, was very well produced. Good work.

posted by Craig Ranke CIT
Hi everyone.

Glad to see the discussion here is still going strong!

I just dropped in to link you to an interview I did on Matrix News. It might answer some questions that some of you have:

www.vimeo.com...

That was a great interview Craig.

Well done.

We need more open-minded interviewers like Kate and Richard.

Kate Mucci and Richard Mucci of Matrix News Network


[edit on 9/18/09 by SPreston]

Thanks a lot everyone.

This important evidence is finally starting to get some attention.

I had a very successful and productive weekend in NY for the anniversary with an excellent hour long interview on WBAI in their studio only blocks from ground zero on 9/11 morning.

That definitely reached a lot of people and it really felt good to reflect and pay respects to the victims by moving that much closer to justice.

We walked over to the site after the show and joined in the peaceful vigil/information offering.

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