Iraqi journalist who hurled shoe at Bush gets early release for good behaviour

The big shoe duck was almost as funny as when his dad puked all over the Japanese prime minister.I dont like the bushs but couldnt help feeling a little sorry for the awkward posistions the press caught them in.

Originally posted by Kryties
I don't care what planet you were born on.

Yes I see...

I wasn't defending Bush. I thought the incident was stupid myself. I understand what the man was doing. The Iraqi government would have done the same thing to any person throwing a shoe at a foreign dignitary. We don't need to argue about the invasion. It happened and it's done with. The question is where do we go from here?

I just thought your post was overly emotional I thought maybe you had family killed in the war or some other personal reason for your outburst.

reply to post by SLAYER69


Perhaps overly emotional from your standpoint but from mine, well I have always had great sensitivity to the suffering of my fellow man - particularly unjust suffering that is essentially the result of one man's over-inflated ego.

I'm sorry that I get emotional when I hear stories of punishments that do not fit the crime, or lack thereof. I have seen too much human suffering with my own 2 eyes to be able to shut myself off to the plight of others far away. I am of the personal opinion that no one man should be in such a position of power that he is able to completely destroy and cause extreme pain - and is fully willing too - to those who would simply wish for him to hear their voice.

[edit on 30/8/2009 by Kryties]

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by Kryties

 

If by the off chance I hit you in the face and break your nose, remember I was just insulting you. I didn't intend to cause you physical harm.

But it did not and was not. It did not hit Bush and it was not intended to break his nose.

Using your example you have just thrown a shoe at me and I ducked out of the way, no harm done to me. Now do you now deserve to be dragged out back and be severely beaten by multiple uniformed people then dragged off to prison to stay there for an indefinate amount of time. Do you think you deserve this?

I thought not.

[edit on 30/8/2009 by Kryties]

Defend the guy all you want. Your dislike of Bush leads me to believe no matter what is said you won't care.

I'm going to throw a rock in Obamas direction. I hope you will come to my defense when I am hauled to jail.

I won't hold my breath.

reply to post by jd140


If you threw that rock in America, where there are laws saying you cannot do that, then I would expect you to be hauled to jail (although in America I think you would escape the severe beating). Having said that I would still disagree with you being jailed, but seeing as their was a law against it and you threw that rock knowing full well that it was illegal, then jail it is for you.

On the other hand in Iraq it is a customary gesture of disrespect and accepted by all Iraqi's. The shoe was thrown in Iraq, under Iraq laws and customs. The only reason he was beaten and thrown in jail is because of America ramming its unwanted western ideals, customs and 'democracy' down the Iraqi peoples throats.

Oh and it was a SHOE not a ROCK. Please try to remember that.

[edit on 30/8/2009 by Kryties]

reply to post by Kryties


Setting the fact that it was Bush aside for a minute...

You do realize in some countries in that region people are imprisoned or worse for far less crimes? In others opinions of course. When I read some posters on this thread state that he was lucky to be alive or have all his hands and legs. I say yeah he's lucky he was able to do it and keep his life and limbs. I wonder how he would have fared pulling that stunt under Saddam?

reply to post by Kryties


Like I said, I won't hold my breath.

I wonder what would happen to that guy if he threw his shoe at Saddam?

Probaby nothing since it is customary to throw a shoe at someone you disagree with in that country.

edit to add

Didn't see Slayer using that same analogy.

[edit on 30-8-2009 by jd140]

edit to adress your edit.

Who cares if it was a pillow. If you want to be picky then I will throw my 5 pound steel toe boot in his direction.

Is that better or does that not fit your criteria?

[edit on 30-8-2009 by jd140]

reply to post by SLAYER69


The Iraqi people didn't want Saddam there, they admitted he was a tyrant, but they also have subsequently said that America's 'liberation' is infinately worse than Saddam's regime.

Yes, under Saddam they would have suffered punishment - possibly worse BUT you forget that the Iraqi people hated him for that and wished him deposed. Therefore your argument that what Bush did to this Iraqi is not as bad as what Saddam would have done is null and void because the Iraqi's also hated Saddam for repressing their freedoms.

Not quite sure what you're pushing this point mate, particularly if you say you agree with my general premise.

reply to post by Kryties


Isn't that something.

They hate Saddam. So we remove him. We stay to secure the place and they hate us to.

eh you bore me. Goodnight and keep fighting that good fight you think you are fighting.

reply to post by jd140


Oh for crying out loud....

The man threw a bloody shoe. Not a knife, not a sword, not a bloody bomb, not a rock, not a ten-pound anvil, not a nuclear warhead, not a puppy, not a vial of antimatter, not a television, not a car, not a space shuttle - no none of that. IT WAS A SHOE.

The man threw a shoe in a country where it is legal and customary to throw your bloody shoes. How much more simplified do you need it?

Originally posted by Kryties
Therefore your argument that what Bush did to this Iraqi is not as bad as what Saddam would have done is null and void because the Iraqi's also hated Saddam for repressing their freedoms.

Not quite sure what you're pushing this point mate, particularly if you say you agree with my general premise.

My point MATE is that Bush didnt do anything to the man. The Iraqi government did. They would have done the same thing to him had he thrown his insulting shoe at any foreign leader that was visiting. The man is alive and he is healthy.

I think the point I'm getting at is that maybe you really dont care so much about the man as you do about pushing your anti-Bush/US agenda. As far as seeing suffering...

Trust me I have seen more than my fair share so let's not try to have the moral high ground.


[edit on 30-8-2009 by SLAYER69]

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by Kryties

 

Isn't that something.

They hate Saddam. So we remove him. We stay to secure the place and they hate us to.

eh you bore me. Goodnight and keep fighting that good fight you think you are fighting.

It seems there is much truth to the statement....

"Patriotism means DON'T ASK QUESTIONS"

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by Kryties

 

Isn't that something.

They hate Saddam. So we remove him. We stay to secure the place and they hate us to.

eh you bore me. Goodnight and keep fighting that good fight you think you are fighting.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

My point MATE

That's very patronising to Aussies, we use the word mate in many diferent sentences - something you would know if you bothered to look. You are escalating something that should not even require a second glance. The fact that you are making a big deal about it is only indicative that you do not understand Aussie customs. If you cannot understand the customs of one of your allies then how can you possibly understand the customs of your enemy?

is that Bush didnt do anything to the man.

Errr....you sure about that? I seem to remember him invading their country - maybe a small thing from your perspective but I would imagine it is quite large from theirs.

The Iraqi government did. They would have done the same thing to him had he thrown his insulting shoe to any foreign leader that was visiting.

Given thats it's customary in Iraq to do this, I highly doubt they would have if it were anyone but Bush or his band of cronies. It was the fact that the shoe was thrown at Bush that got this man severely beaten and jailed.

The man is alive and he is healthy.

After being severely beaten and jailed for throwing a shoe.

I think the point I'm getting at is that maybe you really dont care so much about the man as you do about pushing your anti-Bush/US agenda. As far as seeing suffering...

Trust me I have seen more than my fair share so let's not try to have the moral high ground.

Wrong wrong wrong. If it was my country leading this invasion, or Britain, or India, or China - I don't care who it is I would be protesting against them. America chose to lead this farce of an invasion and therefore America should take the blame for the consequences and the protests. It's time Amerca manned up and stopped trying to shed the blame for what they have done.

[edit on 30/8/2009 by Kryties]

reply to post by Kryties


Nice reply and as you have figured out I'm not an Aussie although I do have family who are. You're right in your assumption about it being insulting. I'm not your mate. As far as the rest of your post goes it was entertaining.

As you may have figured out Bush has been out of office so how has he kept that man in prison all this time?

Originally posted by Kryties

Wrong wrong wrong. If it was my country leading this invasion, or Britain, or India, or China - I don't care who it is I would be protesting against them. America chose to lead this farce of an invasion and therefore America should take the blame for the consequences and the protests. It's time Amerca manned up and stopped trying to shed the blame for what they have done.

The largest protests ever - in the history of the world - were held in America and elsewhere in protest of the Iraq War.

...Then 'Free Speech zones' came along changed all of that.






[edit on 30-8-2009 by Exuberant1]

Originally posted by Kryties

I think the point I'm getting at is that maybe you really dont care so much about the man as you do about pushing your anti-Bush/US agenda. As far as seeing suffering...

Trust me I have seen more than my fair share so let's not try to have the moral high ground.

Wrong wrong wrong. If it was my country leading this invasion, or Britain, or India, or China - I don't care who it is I would be protesting against them. America chose to lead this farce of an invasion and therefore America should take the blame for the consequences and the protests. It's time Amerca manned up and stopped trying to shed the blame for what they have done.

Wrong wrong wrong?????

What are you drinking? How do you get any of that BS from what I wrote? Are you even reading what I'm writing? CAN YOU READ AND COMPREHEND THIS?

Are you so full of a twisted perverted obsession with the US that you want to rant all your inward hatred at a poster who has said nothing along the lines of what you are spewing?


[edit on 30-8-2009 by SLAYER69]

reply to post by SLAYER69


Probably for the same reason there are still Bush administration employees in the Obama administration (the one I'm thinking of is the guy who is head of the Drug Office Science division - not sure what it's called off the top of my head). There are more but he is the examle I will use.

It is the use of legal mumjo-jumbo, twisting of words and use of little known clauses. Believe me Bush and his admin had worked out a way to keep him in jail as long as they could after they left.

Originally posted by Kryties
It is the use of legal mumjo-jumbo, twisting of words and use of little known clauses. Believe me Bush and his admin had worked out a way to keep him in jail as long as they could after they left.

Yeah OK I keep forgetting this is a conspiracy site.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Wrong wrong wrong?????

What are you drinking? How do you get any of that BS from what I wrote? Are you even reading what I'm writing? CAN YOU READ AND COMPREHEND THIS?

Are you so full of a twisted perverted obsession with the US that you want to rant all your inward hatred at a poster who has said nothing along the lines of what you are spewing?

Unbelievable. Either you are deliberately twisting my words or completely ignoring me. I am quite aware that you are annoyed at my anti-Bush stance and are trying to inflate that into being an anti-US agenda. You are wrong. My point is that it's not anti-US it's anti-the bloody people who started this farce of a war. Those people happen to be the Bush administration who hapen to be American. I was saying that if they happened to be English, Irish, Indian, Asian or bloody Martians it would not matter to me. Is that absolutely clear to you now?

I would appreciate it if you ceased your accusations of me having an 'anti-US' agenda. Anti-Bush yes, Anti-US no. I know you don't like my stance on this issue but making things up is not the way to approach this.