Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip.

reply to post by Lasheic


I rarely come accross a thread that really gets me seeing things from a clearer perspective...i think you put that really well

Originally posted by STFUPPERCUTTER
im jsut hoping my chip can cure swine flu and swine flu vaccine.

I don't know about curing it...but it could be IN the vaccine/shot.

For those who don't seem to be worried about chipping people...remember this. A chip wouldn't be something to track a person with, as in tracking them from a satellite. Its not that simple. However, and even scarier in my opinion is the idea that a chip can be put in place containing nothing but a unique number, readable with a close proximity scanner. Initially they can speak of how benign it is. Just a number...no tracking...removable if you wish...etc.

What would likely happen though, is that over time, that number would become linked to other things, like your bank account, medical information etc. At first it isn't any big deal. Over time, however, it becomes bigger and bigger. Then, much like credit cards today, it overtakes the standard (cash in this example). Then you can't rent a car without a chip, etc. And then what??? Oh...its 2012...have you upgraded to CHIP 2.0 yet??? You better rush out and upgrade right now, because your medical benefits will stop since we no longer support CHIP 1.0.

I think you get the picture there...if you let it begin, it may become a bigger and more dangerous beast over time. And for those who think such a chip may just be a "helpful" device, remember that it can easily become a leash up your ass.

hmm S & F for the research. I agree that we're taking a leap to us all being chipped but it's the slippery slope I think we're all most concerned about.

As for if it could be convenient and not negative...

Well, what could go wrong... lordy let's count the ways... or let's watch Brazil - the movie

I hate to say "i told you so", but.......

We will be lining up for a microchip

Read it and tell me i didn't say this back in Februari....

Surprise, surprise...it's not like we didn't see that one coming.

Peace

Personally I think some of us are already chipped...
I put up a thread awhile back about some of my strange experiences, which to this day I'm still not sure if it was of the paranormal or extra-terrestrial... (I tend to think the latter) Since then I have these small round ball-like things under my skin which when I place a magnet near, I can feel it move around. Someone had suggested blood clots, which may be the case but I'm very hesitant to go to the doctor to find out. Everyone that I know in my family, that has gone into the hospital, died in the hospital.
If it's blood clots... well then hopefully I will keel over one day where I won't be a danger to anyone (driving or any other operation of heavy machinery) and preferably among the outdoors (I often go camping) and looking at the sky.
As far as chips are concerned... I think this body's been hacked already.

my family and I have decided that if they chip us we will remove it, don't want it don't need it.

All I can find in the text of the bill is a reference to a committee that would be appointed to analyze the effectiveness, benefits, and risks of certain medical devices, including but not limited to implantable chips.

What is the pertinent part of the bill I should be looking for?

Has anyone seen the 'Dying To Know' doco about the conspiracy to promote aids in order to sell drugs?

It suggested that diagnosed patients were not dying, but that the incredibly toxic drugs they were given caused the symptoms that eventually killed them - kind of self fulfilling prophecy.

Whether that's true or not, there's a disturbing correlation to some of the suggestions being made here.

[Edited to add]: BTW, it occurs to me how easy it would be to chip new born babies in hospital, or children receiving vaccines at school. Whether we adults avoid it or not, it's probably already happened to the next generation.






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A microchip is completely useless in the event of a solar storm. I think we are reading something into this that is not quite there. Don't forget, 'they' already have whatever info about you that they want already through other means eg, credit cards, email communications, mobile phones, shopping mall cameras etc etc.

Originally posted by McGinty
Has anyone seen the 'Dying To Know' doco about the conspiracy to promote aids in order to sell drugs?

It suggested that diagnosed patients were not dying, but that the incredibly toxic drugs they were given caused the symptoms that eventually killed them - kind of self fulfilling prophecy.

Whether that's true or not, there's a disturbing correlation to some of the suggestions being made here.
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[edit on 31-8-2009 by McGinty]

Yes I read about this, person did not contract AIDS until recieved shot that was suppose to help them.
In Africa, in area people were given shot for small pox, in same area, large amounts of people contracted AIDS, got to help those thrird world countries, DIE.

I will look for link.


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Ignorance Celebrated!! What a crazy, out of context, completley false thread.

Please someone forward it to Rush and Sarah Palin....I'd like the far right to be further embarrassed and shamed for trying to spread compeltely crazy, easily dissproved BS.

Enough of insulting the publics intelligence and fear mongering.

Maybe it's easy for me to understand since a few years back I had surgery and have a titanium plate (implantable device) attached to my spine.

A "Class II implantable device"....is everything from pacemakers, to muscle stimulators, cardio-defibulators to screws and pins to put bones back together. ...any medical device that is internal and sustains or supports life.

The word "postmarket" here means that Doctors etc. will save any implantable devices they remove during surgeries etc... "postmarket"...get it? after the device is done being used...either removed during a surgery or after death, prior to cremation etc.

"Outcomes" simply means...how did the device do? How did the patient do? Did the device work as advertised?Did it last as long as the manufactuer promised?

Right now those devices are not required to be saved or studied to see if they operated as promised. Thats the way the 23B Medical Device industry likes it. This law will change that and require doctors to report if a given devices operated as well and lasted as long as the manufacturer promised. !!

This is a terrific idea and LONG overdue. It protects the public from big medical companies BS.

...I discovered this issue when I had my surgery. They said they were going to put a titanium plate on my spine...My question was..how long will it last? Answer: Forever. My question: Are their studies showing how long this hardware lasts? Doctors answer...No...Why not?

MOST MEDICAL DEVICE MANUFACTURERS make doctors sign documents that they will destroy or return to the manufacturer the implantable devices once they are removed....RATHER THAN keep those devices to study or determine if they worked as promised....or contributed to the poor health of the patient etc..think about that...

They make Doctors promise NOT to examine whether the devices worked...the devices they sold you that your life depended on...This law changes that and the government will facilitate independant study of what devices are working as promised and which dont.

So you guys are supporting Big Medical Device Manufacturers right to NOT have to back up their claims with actual research studies about what their products do???

Really....what BS this thread is. What complete ignorance and partisan whackoness. Great job being pawns.

SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY.
12 (a) REGISTRY.—
13 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 519 of the Federal
14 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i) is
15 amended—
16 (A) by redesignating subsection (g) as sub17 section (h); and
18 (B) by inserting after subsection (f) the
19 following:
20 ‘‘National Medical Device Registry
21 ‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national med
22 ical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the
23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and
24 outcomes data on each device that—

reply to post by maybereal11
Irreguardless of this thread beinging out of context, there still is fact, that there is a on going intent to install RFID chips in humans, and has already ben done.
It's is apparent that OP jumped gun on Obamacare, and was totally incorrect as to what Class II was refering to.

Originally posted by maybereal11
Ignorance Celebrated!! What a crazy, out of context, completley false thread.

Please someone forward it to Rush and Sarah Palin....I'd like the far right to be further embarrassed and shamed for trying to spread compeltely crazy, easily dissproved BS.

Enough of insulting the publics intelligence and fear mongering.

Maybe it's easy for me to understand since a few years back I had surgery and have a titanium plate (implantable device) attached to my spine.

A "Class II implantable device"....is everything from pacemakers, to muscle stimulators, cardio-defibulators to screws and pins to put bones back together. ...any medical device that is internal and sustains or supports life.

The word "postmarket" here means that Doctors etc. will save any implantable devices they remove during surgeries etc... "postmarket"...get it? after the device is done being used...either removed during a surgery or after death, prior to cremation etc.

"Outcomes" simply means...how did the device do? How did the patient do? Did the device work as advertised?Did it last as long as the manufactuer promised?

Right now those devices are not required to be saved or studied to see if they operated as promised. Thats the way the 23B Medical Device industry likes it. This law will change that and require doctors to report if a given devices operated as well and lasted as long as the manufacturer promised. !!

This is a terrific idea and LONG overdue. It protects the public from big medical companies BS.

...I discovered this issue when I had my surgery. They said they were going to put a titanium plate on my spine...My question was..how long will it last? Answer: Forever. My question: Are their studies showing how long this hardware lasts? Doctors answer...No...Why not?

MOST MEDICAL DEVICE MANUFACTURERS make doctors sign documents that they will destroy or return to the manufacturer the implantable devices once they are removed....RATHER THAN keep those devices to study or determine if they worked as promised....or contributed to the poor health of the patient etc..think about that...

They make Doctors promise NOT to examine whether the devices worked...the devices they sold you that your life depended on...This law changes that and the government will facilitate independant study of what devices are working as promised and which dont.

So you guys are supporting Big Medical Device Manufacturers right to NOT have to back up their claims with actual research studies about what their products do???

Really....what BS this thread is. What complete ignorance and partisan whackoness. Great job being pawns.

SEC. 2521. NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY.
12 (a) REGISTRY.—
13 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 519 of the Federal
14 Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (21 U.S.C. 360i) is
15 amended—
16 (A) by redesignating subsection (g) as sub17 section (h); and
18 (B) by inserting after subsection (f) the
19 following:
20 ‘‘National Medical Device Registry
21 ‘‘(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national med
22 ical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the
23 ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and
24 outcomes data on each device that—

Bravo, well said. I particularly like the first reply to this too. Basically stating "just because this thread isn't about this doesn't mean it isn't happening." OMG WTF Run for the hills, typical ATS scare mongering.

Originally posted by EMPIRE


Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a "radiofrequency transponder" fall under the definition of a class II device?

Has anyone read this?

www.fda.gov...




[edit on 30-8-2009 by EMPIRE]

Yes Empire, "radiofrequency transponder" may fall under the definition of a class II device, but regardless of that it does not say anything in H.R. 3200 of being required to have a "radiofrequency transponder" of any kind implanted in you to receive medical care under this bill.

I realize that the chips exist for many known and I am sure could be used for sinister purposes as well but that still has nothing to do with the intent of the OP of this thread.

Originally posted by DarkSecret
the future will be exactly as it is today.

LMAO. I'm glad you believe that. Now, you can join the ranks of those who used to say that man will never fly. Or America's founding fathers, who thought citizens would never be taxed on their wages.

So much for those ideas of things that will never happen.

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reply to post by mikerussellus


Interesting to note the last line about the Secretary being able to determine whatever else.

As to the post about the five drafts, well if you can keep them confused, then when the final draft is handed them you just slip in the piece you want. Most of our elected officials don't even read this stuff which is why they let it pass, just remember the un Patriot Act.

reply to post by maybereal11


Not to worry maybereal... people will ignore this post as if it was printed in cyrillic. How dare you let objectivity and facts get in the way of a good hit of the fear and conspiracy bong. I mean holy crap... you come here to get a better perspective on the 'truth' and alot of the people here are hundreds of times worse than the very MSM they purport to oppose. Deny ignorance... as if.

Just the same, bravo that you had the cajones to make the post.

Nobody is going to put a chip in me.

I just wanted to go on record and say that.

If I was in the military and they wanted to put a GPS chip in me in case I get captured, fine. Then take it out when I go home.

(Wouldn't that be awesome? These people think your a hostage and your really a homing beacon.)

I think the bible says something about this to. Bible or not, I'm not getting chipped.

I'll turn into Charles Ingles and build a little house on the prairie before I get chipped.

You can chip me when I'm dead. And if you do, my soul will wait for you to die.

edit to add: See my signature?

[edit on 8/31/2009 by Genfinity]

I despise this overall HR3200 bill as much as most Americans who have
actually read it. But to be fair, the section of the bill that this thread is
based on is not related to having a data chip planted under our skin. It's
just describing how various devices used by doctors should be monitored
by the government for their effectiveness.

The website www.WrongReform.com... does an excellent job of
explaining the hundreds of offensive clauses in this bill from hell.

One of the 5 proposed bills states that the US Treasury will have access
to the bank account of each person who chooses to be on the "public
option". This will assure timely pament of premium each month. Now
THAT IS THE CLAUSE that should scare everyone to death. The IRS is
part of the Treasury. IMO. Government getting free access to your bank
account(s) is worse than them simply knowing everything about you.
-CWM

reply to post by ratcals
Just so you know, it starts here where it ends nobody knows.
The VeriChip became the first subcutaneous RFID chip to receive FDA approval as a Class 2 medical device

RFID chips in humans get green light

The US Food and Drug Administration has approved the practice of injecting humans with tracking devices for medical purposes, according to a Florida company that makes the devices.

Applied Digital, maker of the implantable VeriChip for humans, announced on Wednesday the FDA's approval of its technology for use in hospitals following a year-long review by the agency.
link
www.silicon.com...

HITECH LAWS AND THE INPLANTABLE CHIP....
New legislation that is part of the National Economic Recovery bills going through Congress could open the door to the widespread introduction of implantable RFID chips in U.S. healthcare.

President Barack Obama made the introduction of Health Information Technology legislation an important part of his political platform, and sure enough, HITECH sections have found themselves buried in a number of bills going through Congress right now.

These Health Information Technology bills – - HITECH for short – - intend to get the ball rolling on creating a nationwide, interoperable, healthcare datanet, under the supervision of the recently created position of National Coordinator of Health Information Technology. The legislation grants $20 billion to help erect the new system.

The first important bill with HITECH legislation buried in the text was HR 1, which passed on Friday, February 13th in a critical floor vote in the House of Representatives. The Senate had already approved the final version of the bill, so it will be signed into law by President Obama by the time you read this.
linkgorightly.wordpress.com...

Implantable credit card RFID chipsAugust 14, 2009

Implantable credit card RFID chips: convenient, but creepy By Jay MacDonald It’s a simple concept, really: You inject a miniature radio frequency identifier the size of a grain of rice between your thumb and forefinger and with a wave of your hand unlock doors, turn on lights, start your car or pay for your drinks at an ultrachic nightspot. Radio frequency identifier (RFID) chips are so tiny they can be injected under the skin — and here are 12 cool ways that the technology has been put to use.

linkstevensandlin.wordpress.com...

Sorry but you should know what you are talking about before you start flapping your lips or fingers which ever applies.

Don't be afaid the Mark of the Beast is not upon you yet.



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