Police Threaten To Make Up Phony Charges

against a couple of guys protesting mandatory vaccination.

The guys were trying to put up a vaccine protest sign on a publicly accessable overpass when a couple of cops showed up and told them they couldn't put up any protest signs.

Then the cops told them that if they didn't comply they would trump up charges against them and arrest them.



video notes:

Send this video to all your contact DO NOT let them get away with this crap. This video is NOT anti-cop...it's pro-peace officer.

Two Phoenix Pirate code enforcers Lenawoski #9425 and Barton #8445 threaten find any reason at all to arrest me because I wanted to hold a Vaccines = Poison sign on 7th ave and I-10 sidewalk.

Call their Supervisor Sgt. Heather Maldonado at 602-534-0436

Tell her that the officers should apologize and NOT use the force government to violate a persons first amendment right.

Claiming to just find a reason to arrest is completely uncalled for and seems to be norm.

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(602) 262-4580

Lenawoski #9425
Barton #8445


I have to wonder if the sign said something "praising" the Phoenix Police Department if the outcome would have been the same?

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[edit on 29-8-2009 by GAOTU789]

Credit to cops for allowing incident to be recorded, for not tazing, macing, shooting, tackling, clubbing, or arresting the sign guys.


Beyond the threat, these two cops handled the situation pretty good. In a way, I feel the threat wasn't that serious. Just a scare tactic to keep the guys honest.

Originally posted by jam321
Credit to cops for allowing incident to be recorded, for not tazing, macing, shooting, tackling, clubbing, or arresting the sign guys.


Beyond the threat, these two cops handled the situation pretty good. In a way, I feel the threat wasn't that serious. Just a scare tactic to keep the guys honest.

I think anytime a cop threatens to trump up charges to gain compliance they should be reprimanded.

If I was their boss, I would be contemplating firing them.

It's a fairly typical and common police tactic and all part of the contractual negotiation.

The citizens had three choices:

1. Go ahead and stick to your guns and try to beat the trumped up charges in court.

2. Retreat and put the signs up elsewhere or later.

3. Bribe or enlist the police to your cause since they have already shown they are adept and willing at negotiations.

Most law enforcement officers are criminals with a badge. It's up to you to make crime pay for them. If you don't...you could go to jail...if you do...

Well enough said.

Talking about blowing out of proportion, this thread is.

That blond cop is hot, though.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
against a couple of guys protesting mandatory vaccination.

[edit on 29-8-2009 by GAOTU789]

The cops' issue seems to be that they shouldn't be able to affix their banner over a highway overpass. (or stand there holding their flimsy paper banner on a highway overpass)

Does anyone know if there's a specific valid reason for the cops to take action over that?

I can see a plausible case being made.

I too first want to commend the officers for not doing anything more then they did as a lot of officers do everyday. As this clearly shows with they're stupid ass threats.

Now, this is a great example of how most U.S. residence retreat when threatened ON VIDEO that they will be arrested if they don't comply even if no law has been broken.

Yes, they should have allowed the cops to arrest them, especially since it was recorded, it would have been thrown out of court the minute the video would have gotten released and gone viral on YT and of course in court with the Judge.

We need to force them to continue breaking the law as law officers so that the truth gets out their even if it means we go to jail for a day or two.

All authorities are going to be doing the same thing i.e. take the shot or go to confindment centers, soldiers shot citizens or go to the brig, tell on your neighbors or you'll be the one going away.... So on and so on... When does it stop?

I am honestly proud of Operation 4409 and we are change groups for attempting to get the message out though so don't get me wrong about that!

[edit on 06/03/2009 by Rams59lb]

reply to post by Rams59lb


My question is, is there something inheritantly different about holding a sign ABOVE a highway than there is to be on the street-level, on the SIDE of a highway.

reply to post by VinceP1974


The guy said they tried to put or hold(couldn't get that part) on the side of the highway and he wasn't allowed.

So he tried to hold them above the highway. So obvioulsy he knew he was in the wrong.

"Then the cops told them that if they didn't comply they would trump up charges against them and arrest them."

The OP is being a little decieving here. What was said was if they did anything wrong once they left then they would find a reason to arrest them.

Originally posted by VinceP1974
reply to post by Rams59lb

 

My question is, is there something inheritantly different about holding a sign ABOVE a highway than there is to be on the street-level, on the SIDE of a highway.

Not to my knowledge but your asking the question imo... The question remains, why are the officers asking these two guy's anything since they are only practicing their 1st Amendment rights. They were not hanging the sign from the video it appears and they were on the sidewalk.

I believe the truth is, in their police briefings they have been told to look out for Obama Posters and have been made aware of the new contest regarding "Stop the Vaccinations" and to do what ever without getting caught to stop it.

"If you do anything on your way home, we will make sure we find a reason to arrest you."

reply to post by Rams59lb


But they're on an overpass. Notice the fencing to the cameraman's right as he's walking?

And at around 1min 10sec you can hear the cop say "You can't hang that on city property" and "if a car accident happens.."

Of course the people deny they want to hang the sign, insisting instead that they are merely holding the sign up.

I can understand the cop's POV that would create a dangerous distraction for the people driving on the highway below them.


I think that is the motivation. Not that they want to deny the right of these people to hold their sign up. They should choose a less contentious location.

They always make up false charges, I am going through this right now! They are brainwashed to do this people. Back in the 70's and 80's, they use to stop ya because you were weaving, and then, if you seemed to talk okay, and you seemed to be okay, they'd just say, okay, be careful. *Snip* But, since MADD came along and our constitutional rights have burned, well, take it from there.

I've watched this and believe it or not, I'm possibly getting off of a DUII. I wasn't even driving, I was just sitting in a beautiful park, listening to a waterfall, in the deepest darkest, out in the country spot, and I got busted for that!! I hadn't driven in 2 1/2 hrs.. Just sitting in a park, being mellow, and thinking about stuff I'd been through. And lo and behold, here comes a cop, out of the blue. I haven't seen one there in like forever. The first thing he asked me. "You been drinkin"? *Snip*! It was so dark there it is actually scary sometimes.

This dude was showing off, for his son that was a ride along. I could tell, I'm not stupid, and I WAS NOT INTOXICATED!! Here I am, a 120 lb woman, all by myself, mellowing out, had had maybe 4 beers, chillin!
All of a sudden, 2 more police cars show up (this is county), 4 more police officers, I am a woman, a tiny woman. Okay, here comes another cop, a woman so she could pat me down. My god, all I had in my pocket was a tiny swiss army knife!! Okay, don't ya think that is a little extreme for a 5'6" woman that has no history of violence for that many cops to show up 9 miles from a town of 9000? Talk about "Police State". Yes, we are there people. And I have read that they can lie to us, but hell, if we lie to them, you go to jail!! We have to stop this people, wake up!!

My point being, is when I read the police report, he lied!! Or he purposely didn't listen to me. So yes, these are phoney charges. When I told my lawyer that there were 6 to 7 police officers, he said, "What"? So yeah, this is happening to a lot of innocent people. I decided to use the constitution and get my trial for something that is wrong. Now, all of a sudden, before my trial, I got a call from my lawyers office saying something about a "rediness hearing". And I asked what the hell is that? She said, well, to be prepared for trial. And I said, well, never heard of that. She said, well, it will probably be dropped, and hung up. People, use the constitution, I did, and it worked. Yes, phony charges are going on and it is because the gangster bankters are losing. So they are going to use anything they can to get FIAT money out of anybody. Except of course the rich *snip* out there. Sorry for the rant, but I tell you what, I totally understand "false and made up charges"!

edited to remove objectionable language
gallopinghordes
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[edit on 30-8-2009 by gallopinghordes]

Originally posted by mnemeth1
"If you do anything on your way home, we will make sure we find a reason to arrest you."

Thats a bit of differance then what you posted in your Op isn't it.

Just saying.

reply to post by stardust1955


It takes an hour to process 1 beer.

You had four in 2 and a half hours. You were technically drunk.

If you was sitting in your car you can be arrested for a DUI. If you are sitting outside you could be arrested for public intoxication.

reply to post by VinceP1974


I see your POV but as an ex MP of 12 yrs, I would inform them that they can not place their sign or banner on that fence, ask for the're ID explaining that it's only for the purpose of finding the sign there at a later time that then they "the cops" would know who to give a citation to. But to tell them that they can't continue on their way is the problem...

I agree they might have wanted to hang the sign but they didn't get the chance, they got cought but the cops should have let them hang themselves by driving away and monitoring the overpass... Simple

Originally posted by jd140

Originally posted by mnemeth1
"If you do anything on your way home, we will make sure we find a reason to arrest you."

Thats a bit of differance then what you posted in your Op isn't it.

Just saying.

How so?

reply to post by Rams59lb


I'm not defending the cops obnoxiousness, just getting to the root of why they interfered.

reply to post by mnemeth1


"Then the cops told them that if they didn't comply they would trump up charges against them and arrest them. "


"If you do anything on your way home, we will make sure we find a reason to arrest you."


You don't see the differance in the two?

Really?

Originally posted by jd140
reply to post by mnemeth1

 

"Then the cops told them that if they didn't comply they would trump up charges against them and arrest them. "


"If you do anything on your way home, we will make sure we find a reason to arrest you."


You don't see the differance in the two?

Really?

I really don't.

You'll have to explain it in detail for me to understand the difference.