Are extraterrestrials real? As real as the nose on your face. [UPDATE]

Originally posted by jkrog08
I just think that if someone is going to make claims that the various world governments have super advanced ET based technology that could end our oil dependency, make wars shorter, revolutionize transportation and exploration, etc then that person really needs to have solid, empirical, conclusive, physical, and non-debatable evidence to PROVE his or her claims.

Hi jkrog08, you know that that is impossible.
Here is how I think about it all.
There are quite a number of other trustworthy [in my opinion] people now [ for example the witnesses of the disclosure project] who claimed also such things because they worked in such areas and wanted testifying about their direct, personal, firsthand experience with UFOs, ETs, ET technology, and the cover-up that keeps this information secret before congress.

Therefore, don’t you find it very strange then that that request is until now still denied, because if there is really nothing to hide, if the whole UFO/ET matter is indeed nothing more than phantasm, fantasy, illusions and fairytales then, as claimed for decades now by the US government/military, would that not be the best change ever for them to proof that for once and for all.
So why dont they take that oppurtunity then?
Because they must know by now it is all true but they [the congress] don’t have the guts [quite understandable] to do it.

Originally posted by jkrog08
Quite frankly I am SICK of hearing the same people say "the government has all this super advanced technology" like Zero Point, etc but can NOT offer ANY type of solid evidence to back their claims.

I assume that you are fully aware of the unbelievable high level of security and compartmentalitation regarding keeping that kind of technology secret, therefore you must know that it is impossible to even get a broken pencilpoint or piece of paper out of such areas let alone a piece of solid evidence.

Here are some shortened examples out of chapter 3.6 “Testimony that explains the secrecy” of the “Disclosure Project briefing document” [which I can provide you if you want] is stated.

"Dr. B":[I know who he is now]
"I know that some people I worked with did disappear on certain programs and were never heard from again. They just disappeared. There has been evidence of that all through my work. You know, that people go out on projects [and disappear]. But [to protect myself from this] I wouldn’t go any further on a project because I could see something strange coming. So, a lot of people have disappeared you know, that are higher up."

Lance Corporal Jonathan Weygandt: US Marine Corps
"These different agencies are on their own. They don’t obey the law. They are rogue. Do I think that this is a project that goes up through the government and everyone has a piece in it? No. I think these guys operate on their own and no one knows what they do. It is so easy to do today. And there is no oversight, no control. They just do whatever they want…

"Lethal, deadly force has been used. For those of you who don’t know, I know marine snipers and I have heard other guys talk about it and I’ve heard that these guys go on the streets and they stalk people and they kill them. I know that the Army Airborne snipers do the same thing. They use Delta Force to go grab these people and silence them by killing them."

Master Sgt. Dan Morris: US Air Force, NRO Operative
"I became part of a group that would investigate, gather the information, and in the beginning it was still under the Blue Book, Snowbird and different covert programs. I would go interview people who claimed they had seen something and try to convince them they hadn’t seen something or that they were hallucinating. Well, if that didn’t work, another team would come in and give all the threats. And threaten them and their family and so on and so forth. And they would be in charge of discrediting them, making them look foolish and so on and so forth. Now if that didn’t work, then there was another team that put an end to that problem, one way or another."

Originally posted by jkrog08
All it is doing is totally smearing and destroying the legitimacy (well what is left) of ufology, these people may or may not realize that all they are doing is destroying the very field they claim to love, like a cancer within. So it is time to PUT UP OR SHUT UP in my humble opinion.

I think that the people who constantly TRY to totally smearing and destroying the legitimacy of ufology are those who wanted to keep it secret of course by means of threaten, disinformation and paid debunkers, controlling the big media about it, the people who did not study it thoroughly and believe all what the government says about and last but not least the people who did not in any way study it seriously, but nevertheless, make it to some sort of sick sport to only spit on it and constantly shout it is all BS.

Originally posted by jkrog08
It is wonderful that the government has access to these technologies (but very bad because they are hiding them), and I believe they do, plus much more we can not even BEGIN to imagine.

How come then that you believe they do have and hide these technologies, despite no one is capable in providing that hard evidence you ask for ?
And I assume that you also know there is already some very small amount of what really could be hard ET evidence available, but that even that will not accepted as proof.

Then my friend [I hope you still are after this] the following.
This is my personal opinion and believe of the work/sayings of my friend Lou Baldin.
I keep it as short as possible, I study the UFO/ET phenomenon for 37 years now, I am in fact obsessed by it, and all the things he said so far related to that phenomenon and another subject, fits like a glove.

So, because of that I find his experiences/views about it, despite the lack of “The Hard Evidence” the most convincing ever until now, and therefore I believe he is telling me the real deal.

This is what he said in his interview with Linda Moulton Howe.

To raise the curtain up just a tad – not for the majority, but just for some.

Regards.



[edit on 3/9/09 by spacevisitor]

I think that Lou Baldin is really very near to the TRUTH.
Like Phil Schneider and Bill Cooper....