Why Crop Circles???

And what about the anomalies mentioned above your post, Howard?

Originally posted by TheBandit795
And what about the anomalies mentioned above your post, Howard?

What anomalies?

has any plant researcher with a graduate degree in either agricultual or biological sciences ever proven any anomalies? Has this proof been peer reviewed?

What journal was it published in?

Right here:


www.scientificexploration.org...

www.scientificexploration.org...

www.blackwell-synergy.com...

www.blackwell-synergy.com...

These last two though are from websites...

execonn.com...

www.xstreamscience.org...

Ok, the first link

We report the unusual discovery of a natural iron "glaze" composed of fused particles of meteoritic origin, concentrated entirely within a crop formation in England, appearing shortly after the intense Perseid meteor shower in August, 1993. Physical and chemical characteristics as well as spatial distributions indicated reheating to a semi-molten state at the time of crop impact

Correct me if I am wrong, but if the iron was in a semi-molten state when it hit the hay, so to speak, why didn�t the crops catch fire?

Besides, Levengood is hardly a credible, independent researcher. And this hardly counts as a peer reviewed research paper. It is a press release blurb, and the �Society for Scientific Exploration� is hardly a mainstream journal. A sampling of some of the articles in this so-called journal:

The Effect of Paranormal Healing on Tumor Growth

Psychokinetic Action of Young Chicks on the Path of An Illuminated Source

Unconventional Water Detection: Field Test of the Dowsing Technique in Dry Zones

Unconscious Perception of Future Emotions: An Experiment in Presentiment

Do Cases of the Reincarnation Type Show Similar Features Over Many Years? A Study of Turkish Cases a Generation Apart

A Case of Severe Birth Defects Possibly Due to Cursing

A little background info on this so called researcher Levengood:

William C. Levengood received his B. S. in Physics and Mathematics from the University of Toledo, Ohio in 1957; M. A. Bioscience, Ball State University, Muncie, Indiana, 1961; M. S. in Biophysics, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor, Michigan in 1970 and completed all work for Ph.D. in Biophysics at the University of Michigan, except final thesis review.

Too bad he couldn�t get his thesis. Do you suppose that the professors didn�t think that crop circles were a valid thesis?



Note also that he is Not a doctor, despite what many of the websites that republish his unsubstantiated claims may say.


As for the rest of your citations. These all lack validity based on many factors, including replicability, sample size statistical analysis, researcher qualifications, etc.

Sorry, I'm not buying any today.



[edit on 20-6-2004 by HowardRoark]

if you and your buddies can replicate everything from stunning geometry to these anomalies without setting the field on fire (hey you said it not me), and not be seen by anyone i will never question your authority

i would like to point out that a british guy flew over a field near the stonehedge twice in 20 minute interval and the huge spiral crop circle appeared on the field in these 20 minutes. I saw it on the BBC documentary about the circles. Now of course you can (and probably will)say he is lying, but why exactly is he lying about? and why?

The only liars in this game are the people claiming they made the circles, the crops are twisted in such way that there is no way to do this with a board, it is obviously work of some type of energy. Please do check a documentary on the subject, becouse you will see the amazing paterns that are within these circles. These crops are not only layed down, they form patterns and its all to stunning to be made with rope and board, this idea simply doesnt work. Of course you dont find them in all of the circles, becouse there actually are idiots walking in the fields at night making these poor replicas of the real thing.

so now you cant tell how they are made and there is obviously intelligence behind these designs, there are fractals, sacral geometry...if indeed it is a natural phenomenon, then we need to rethink our whole attitude towards nature and universe (well we need to do that anyway) becouse we dont know squat

The ATS crop circle research project is coming soon, I am in the middle of writing the proposal for it. If you want to know what's really interesting about crop circles it's this: the CIA has not declassified 1 document related to crop circles. We all know they have researched them (just like the 1000s of UFO documents the CIA has released) anything having to do with UFOs they seem to be very interested in. Yet if they found nothing they would more likely declassify a majority of the reports. This stinks of a cover up, not only do they have a lot of information on crop circles but they won't even release reports that they collected from local news papers on locations of crop circles, it's almost unheard of. Considering they have a ton of public knowledge UFO sightings documents that they declassified. There's something here, and the lack of information to me suggests it's important. Watch the UFO and board questions forum in the near future, I'm going to need some serious researchers who have a bit of free time to help crack this egg.

exposed to magnetic forces you say?well seeing as how it has been semi proven that UFOs are powered by gravitic turbine technology it is feasible that a GT powered UFO landing in a field would produce the same effect as that of a crop circle.they do after all use magnetic and electromagnetic fields.

perhaps its still humans that make them, but still definately not with a board and rope formula, that just doesnt work

Yes, the most obvious things can sometimes be those which are the most simplest ones.

Anyway, crop-circles are a somewhat mystery, but it has been proven that people can make crop-circles without breaking any of the straws. Of course, if anyone really would proove that crop-circles (or at least some of them) are not hoaxes, then I think the best suggestion is to find a field, and set up a survelliance unit over an area. I know how this sounds, and I know that the chances can be very small, but isn't it the only way of prooving it?

Too bad I don't have any fields here, nor do we have many crop-circles (I, for one, can't mention any circles in my country) I might add, but still... if I knew, well, I have a lot of time on my hands this summer ...

Heh, just thought of something funny. Maybe the aliens are selling real estates? Just like the Nazis (the officers and people higher up) discussed what they would do after the war, which house he and he would own etc. Who knows?

Also, a question: has anyone ever erased a crop-circle? Just to see if "they" return, or if they get pissed or something?

Question 2: Are there more than just one form on another place on the planet? I'm not speaking within the country, but like, one in the US, one in Norway, one in South Korrea.

Now just figure if they were to show their existance than people would panic, nukes would be lauched, and rednecks would double their already impressive stockpiles of assult rifles. Humans are stupid lets face it. Everyone went into a state of denile and ignorance when it came to the world is round. Just imagine the idea of everyone being showed life on other planets. But by gradualy showing us the truth it might not be so much of a shock which could sofen the blow. Then again to them its probably funny watching farmers walk out into the middle of their fields and scratch their heads wondering was it the aliens or d@*$ city boys who did this.

This is just my thought on this. Please bare with me I don't know how well i can articulate this. I saw a special on BBC or PBS about a year ago and they explained how a ship from a different dimension from ours could leave tracks/ marks behind such as these. Of course there are some that are made by humans, but as for the others this theory makes sense to me. hopefully someone here with a better scientific backround than I can explain this better. These are my thoughts, hope they made some sort of sense.

Originally posted by darkAngel
Okay, imagine the scene

, you're an alien race who have been watching the inhabitants of the earth for millions of years.

You, the most advanced of the races that visits Earth, approach the leaders and offer assistance with their world suffering and problems they are having with a few of the other alien races.

The Earth leaders say, Just give us technologies we can use ourselves. You see that those technologies would only be used against their own people and people of other worlds so you say, No way.

The leaders say, Get out, go mind your own business, we like the way we are running our world. We make too much money and power on the suffering to want to end it. Then they spread rumors of lies, exaggeration and slander against all alien races to keep the public afraid and confused, not hard to do.

You contact some individual humans who want to help. The leaders threaten and confuse those people and interfere at every turn possible. The leaders commit crimes and blame them on you.

You draw messages into fields for ALL to see so you will not directly subject any individuals to harm. The leaders copy and claim authorship of the messages to keep the public confused. It works, not hard to do. So you code all of the messages and create them with technologies that no humans can replicate.

Over time, authentic and fake messages are cataloged and stored by many people, especially a few professionals, creating a history for all to eventually see and read clearly without prejudice. Over time, the people wonder and learn and ask questions and grow more curious and demanding of answers of the leaders.

The problem remains for a time, that if you just "show up" the people will believe anything or every different thing all the different leaders decide to tell them about you, not solving any problem at all, but only creating more confusion, so you slowly increase sightings and meetings. In the mean time, people are figuring out that only you could write the real messages and how to spot the fakes, and if you have been there all this time and never hurt them yet, you can't really be about to blow up their planet or enslave their people.

Also in the mean time, individual humans are working closely with you, spreading education about your true nature and intentions. Eventually the leaders will lose control of information and propaganda due to this education. The people will obtain the codes to the messages and the messages will tell the history in your own words.

The leaders will lose their power and have to change and accept help from you to end needless human suffering on Earth.

[edit on 21-6-2004 by EarthSister]

[edit on 21-6-2004 by EarthSister]

in 1990 ( i think ) i got the chance to stand in one of the most intircate crop circles i think that has ever been reported. ( its the one pictured on the led zeppelin box set several circles joined with offshoots ) And at the time i was fairly young but i insisted i get to see it and get to talk to some of the people in the area. Now something i was surprised to find out was that the local goverment ( at least in england ) gets pissed at farmers becuase the farmers charge people a couple pounds to see these circles and that of course is untaxed income. So as a rule i think it was you have 5 days then you have to mow them down. But i got to see the circle from the ground as the farmer had just began to mow it down and i picked up and checked out one of the stalks on the circle. Now i had read up on these things and knew that researchers said the difference between real circles and fake ones is the stalk is broke on fakes and its bent on real one. In this circle the stalks where bent not broken , just like i had read they appeared to have been softened bent then rehardened.

As i got older i thought about this many times again and im a firm believer that this is just an annomoly we have yet to explain combined with some hoaxers as well. The fact that these circles are intricate and appear to have a pattern doesnt seem odd at all if you look at other things in nature. Most of the patterns ive seen have been been the same patterns ive seen listed as fractals that all of nature is made up of so why should these circles seem so odd. I think becuase they arent that common is the reason for it. I would wager a guess that one day a weather annomoly or magnetic energy like field will be discovered and it will be the culprit for these designs.

The same day i saw the circle in england we also went to stonehenge and i also saw a big horse pattern in the side of a hill ( i cant remember the name of the horse thing ) and as i sit here thinking about it i wonder if early man saw these circles and beleived them to be communications from the gods. It being only polite to answer back early man built things like the horse in the cliff the humingbird drawing ( cant remember where it is ) and things like the serpent mounds in ohio ( or indiana i cant remember)

I think it was prooven that the stalks was bent even in man-made crop circles.

But the ironical thing is that humans would have much easier accepted aliens if they made contact for about 200-300 years ago, or even sooner. Now, when we have proof of most natural phenomenon, when science rules out many possibilities and etc, people accept their rules, and contact with an alien race would come quite as a shock.

Maybe the aliens have not been around for so long?

alot of crop circles are easily to figure out that theyre fake. some are easily done with lawnmowers/weedwackers etc.

then again some seem very intricate and abstract in many ways. if the aliens were actually putting symbols on our soil just to warn us does this mean the government wont tell us about it before we have to run into them ourselves? or is it simply the fact that theyve landed here only to capture labrabbits? for their new race theyre breeding with our people?

suppose we reject using their technology and ask that they stay out of our planets hair, would they then start a war? would all these measly countries still hold grudges? i guess only time will devour the fiction, showing all the truth.

crops are a perfect place to make large art and symbolism. many are secluded so it would be a mystery to the humans when they found out.

I wonder is Aliens ever look at the manmade crop circles and think "Geez, those humans, so unoriginal. Always copying our stuff!" I bet they get pissed! I mean, if they are using thier crop circles to navigate thier ships and all the suddon there are like a dozen manmade ones that just mess up thier plans, well that would be annoying huh?

[edit on 21-6-2004 by mpeake]

Originally posted by mpeake
I wonder is Aliens ever look at the manmade crop circles and think "Geez, those humans, so unoriginal. Always copying our stuff!" I bet they get pissed! I mean, if they are using thier crop circles to navigate thier ships and all the suddon there are like a dozen manmade ones that just mess up thier plans, well that would be annoying huh?

[edit on 21-6-2004 by mpeake]

oh so that's why that UFO crashed at roswell!

[edit on 21-6-2004 by DarkSide]

oh so that's why that UFO crashed at roswell!

Well, that would make sense now huh? Good point Darkside!

please point me to some evidence that they are human made or that they are natural phenomenon. Ive all read the theories but please i want scientific proof that i can make one myself and in less than 20 minutes.

you know, to help confuse the aliens